Mafia Janitorial 2.0! Day ends June 22nd 2020, 5 PM PST.

[epona]

So our wagon is currently between Ace and Guava, yes? Is it possible to eliminate anyone else instead and wait to see which of the two dies tomorrow? Or is the risk too high then? Also I suppose we want to avoid a no-lynch.

Mhm. I figured. I think I'll be voting for Guava. (sorry hun! I hope this isn't killing us both for no reason!)

Alright. Making my choice. Sorry Guava (and town!) if I got it wrong. God this was a convoluted time

the above is the thought process remy went through before FINALLY voting guava. they literally (and everyone called it out immediately for being a stupid idea) looked for an opportunity to eliminate ANYONE but guava, even though that made no sense bc if it was as we thought yesterday,

guava: scum
ace: doctor
remy: cop

then guava and ace would both die in the same day night cycle anyway so we didn't NEED to elim someone else to solve them against each other

this is plain RELUCTANCE to bus guava look back at remy's ISO it takes them AGES to finally do it

This will be my last post probably since I'm gonna be super busy for the rest of the day. So it might be a legacy.

@epona whether is day kill or at night, I'm gone, you were wrong, and that's okay if you are really town you will pull through.
@Remy if I survive the voting, you will be protected tonight, look into Epona, and the game will solve itself.

D3 peers
Go after Epona or Tom depending on the result, if you are wrong, don't worry, is Heyden, and town wins.

Bizarre Plot twist
Shawo role was actually Oracle and we buy into Aerious, but this is a super risky play, and the Janitor never got the chance to reveal the role Shawo was, but 0.001% is still a possibility.

the instructions were right here. my guess is remy 'didn't send in an action' bc they didn't want to conclusively remove anyone from the POE for a mislynch today by townlocking them, and they knew if they falsely mafialocked someone else and lead a miselimination, they'd be figured out

 

[Aerious]

i’m not comfortable potentially killing cop if it’s remy, i’m willing to go this elimination/nl

the above is the thought process remy went through before FINALLY voting guava. they literally (and everyone called it out immediately for being a stupid idea) looked for an opportunity to eliminate ANYONE but guava, even though that made no sense bc if it was as we thought yesterday,

guava: scum
ace: doctor
remy: cop

then guava and ace would both die in the same day night cycle anyway so we didn't NEED to elim someone else to solve them against each other

this is plain RELUCTANCE to bus guava look back at remy's ISO it takes them AGES to finally do it




the instructions were right here. my guess is remy 'didn't send in an action' bc they didn't want to conclusively remove anyone from the POE for a mislynch today by townlocking them, and they knew if they falsely mafialocked someone else and lead a miselimination, they'd be figured out

ya, there were 3 people in contest for invest lmao. if remy is goon claiming cop, why would guava claim doc as lawyer tho? THAT play made no sense, unless it was contingent upon remy “not investigating them” and clearing

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i wanna wait a little bit for more responses from remy and others before i decide my vote

 

[epona]

i’m not comfortable potentially killing cop if it’s remy, i’m willing to go this elimination/nl

ya, there were 3 people in contest for invest lmao. if remy is goon claiming cop, why would guava claim doc as lawyer tho? THAT play made no sense, unless it was contingent upon remy “not investigating them” and clearing

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i wanna wait a little bit for more responses from remy and others before i decide my vote

yeah idk about this, i suppose it set up a likely mis-elim against ace bc guava softed first but then it backfired? none of us ever questioned remy's cop claim so it prob felt safe to fakeclaim twice

again remember mafia has no daychat so plans are probably not as well thought out/coordinated

 

[Ace Marvel]

But why not me, still, the no action could have worked, with me dead, and it was between you, Heyden or Tom. If the plan was mafia is stoopid I would protect Remy again and then kill someone else for parity? I don't get this play

 

[Feferily]

Alright, gonna address that real quick. I was musing my thoughts last day. Others were suspicious of you too and I hadn't had a super understanding of how oracle should be played.

As for the other, I don’t think being the second person to say it immediately makes me sus. Keeping Ace alive and killing Heyden can be a great misdirect. Because obviously if Ace was mafia he couldn’t vote for himself and that could also mean that we never had a doctor.

Or doctor has been working in the shadows and decided not to play openly in case they get killed.

But I also worry that since mafia doesn’t have daychat, they wouldn’t have had the time to come up with a long term plan like that? And again, the idea of a mafia member killing 2/3 of their team doesn’t make sense.

Feel free to vote for me. But I’m cop. You’ll be killing a town power roll.(and again, sorry for being dumb about the whole not checking. But I could have kept that info to myself to preserve my life and respect. Instead I decided to be honest for towns sake as to not mislead us into a miseliminate.

 

[Aerious]

But why not me, still, the no action could have worked, with me dead, and it was between you, Heyden or Tom. If the plan was mafia is stoopid I would protect Remy again and then kill someone else for parity? I don't get this play

^ this. town needed an invest to provide another clear for wifom coz potential to ml today. no invest is oddly convenient at this point bc now today is wifom

 

[Feferily]

Also please tell me if I need to clarify points. On mobile because laptop can’t handle google and a game at the same time.

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Also, obviously I was hesitant to eliminate Guava. If she had been doctor it would have also killed me.

 

[Ace Marvel]

Alright, gonna address that real quick. I was musing my thoughts last day. Others were suspicious of you too and I hadn't had a super understanding of how oracle should be played.

As for the other, I don’t think being the second person to say it immediately makes me sus. Keeping Ace alive and killing Heyden can be a great misdirect. Because obviously if Ace was mafia he couldn’t vote for himself and that could also mean that we never had a doctor.

Or doctor has been working in the shadows and decided not to play openly in case they get killed.

But I also worry that since mafia doesn’t have daychat, they wouldn’t have had the time to come up with a long term plan like that? And again, the idea of a mafia member killing 2/3 of their team doesn’t make sense.

Feel free to vote for me. But I’m cop. You’ll be killing a town power roll.(and again, sorry for being dumb about the whole not checking. But I could have kept that info to myself to preserve my life and respect. Instead I decided to be honest for towns sake as to not mislead us into a miseliminate.

In no universe I'm not doctor and guava turns the lawyer and nobody claims doctor after that.

 

[epona]

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My reaction to reading this confusion.

We still have a bit before we have to vote, right? I'll re-read the last few pages real quick because legend of korra distracted me.

Oh Jesus I’ve come back to some pressure. I’ll read the first few posts.

I was also wondering just now, but Ace was the one who pointed out Guava’s soft claim yesterday, right? How do you guys read that action? I can see it being read two ways but... unsure.

That was my thought line. It also seemed like he was trying to goad it out of Guava at the time.

The pressure ;3; I'm still leaning on Ace being doctor but I'm going to read Guava's posts.

For now, yes. I'll put my life on it I suppose but we still have a few hours, yes?

SO I had another thought about the beginning of the game. Oracle outing so early still seemed like a fairly odd move to make, ngl. I suppose it’s a move to keep yourself from being eliminated by a vote but it also takes away your roles affect, mostly, and it’s one of the few roles someone can’t properly counter claim. So... thoughts? For now I don’t want to vote for Ace but I also suppose if I vote wrong I just want to write down my thoughts this day for whichever townies survive the night.

Just putting thoughts out! No full paced suspicion. Reading through the game from the beginning so I'l be dropping in now and then to say things! <3

So our wagon is currently between Ace and Guava, yes? Is it possible to eliminate anyone else instead and wait to see which of the two dies tomorrow? Or is the risk too high then? Also I suppose we want to avoid a no-lynch.

Mhm. I figured. I think I'll be voting for Guava. (sorry hun! I hope this isn't killing us both for no reason!)

Could it have been the oracle who died n0? It would explain the no cc

Alright. Making my choice. Sorry Guava (and town!) if I got it wrong. God this was a convoluted time

the first post is 2:15 am
the last is 12:43 am the next day

this process took almost 24 hours!!!! 24 HOURS FOR REMY TO VOTE FOR GUAVA, even though we all considered ending the day after 12 hours bc we all knew who we were voting for. in those 24 hours as quoted above, remy realises they have no choice but to bus guava over ace (they got themselves into this position by town-resulting ace) but they literally try to derail the votes onto ANYBODY else, including aerious, our only 100% mechanically confirmed town

 

[Ace Marvel]

the first post is 2:15 am
the last is 12:43 am the next day

this process took almost 24 hours!!!! 24 HOURS FOR REMY TO VOTE FOR GUAVA, even though we all considered ending the day after 12 hours bc we all knew who we were voting for. in those 24 hours as quoted above, remy realises they have no choice but to bus guava over ace (they got themselves into this position by town-resulting ace) but they literally try to derail the votes onto ANYBODY else, including aerious, our only 100% mechanically confirmed town

For this to work guava need to be the goon. claiming doc, but the lawyer was too risky I don't get their plan.
Lets say we buy this.
I will protect Remy
Epona or Tom are killed today.
I died this night
F3
Tom/Epona, Aerious and Remy
Remy scum reads Tom
Aerious and Remy kill Tom
Mafia wins

 

[Feferily]

Epona, I’m a slow and careful thinker. I often said that I wanted to wait till the end of day so that I can see both defenses. This is a really weird road for you to take if you’re town. I was careful because killing doctor accidentally was going to execute me and take out towns power roles. It was a big decision and everyone was relying on me even though this is my first real game.

 

[Aerious]

i’m hesitant though just because the maf claim was doctor on a lawyer. is there code that volt hinted at cop being n0 death? how would remy know to claim cop off the bat and hit volt?

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For this to work guava need to be the goon. claiming doc, but the lawyer was too risky I don't get their plan.
Lets say we buy this.
I will protect Remy
Epona or Tom are killed today.
I died this night
F3
Tom/Epona, Aerious and Remy
Remy scum reads Tom
Aerious and Remy kill Tom
Mafia wins

what are you thinking rn ace?

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unless the plan was to get us to kill heyden, can someone check remy’s past posts for that? ty

 

[epona]

Epona, I’m a slow and careful thinker. I often said that I wanted to wait till the end of day so that I can see both defenses. This is a really weird road for you to take if you’re town. I was careful because killing doctor accidentally was going to execute me and take out towns power roles. It was a big decision and everyone was relying on me even though this is my first real game.

it's really not a weird road for me to take
even if i'm wrong, i currently think you're scum, and i'm presenting a case on you so town can win
if i'm wrong and you're town, then i'm wrong, but you not investigating last night is scummy as hell so that's on you

i’m hesitant though just because the maf claim was doctor on a lawyer. is there code that volt hinted at cop being n0 death? how would remy know to claim cop off the bat and hit volt?

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what are you thinking rn ace?

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unless the plan was to get us to kill heyden, can someone check remy’s past posts for that? ty

idk about a code, but remy would have known that heyden was fakeclaiming bc volt was scum, and they would have known whether or not guava had used her lawyer power on him during n0
iirc, the heyden claim was just sitting there for a quite a while before remy CC'd, so very possible they saw there were no CCs and took the risk

i think the plan was to get us to kill heyden eventually, if not d1, and bus volt so that remy would get 100% towncleared

 

[Ace Marvel]

We believed you and Remy almost no questions asked.
Remy could investigated me again saying maybe guava protected ace that night and I wanted to be sure, is a better explanation than I didn't sent action, clearing them of all guilt.

It's possible that Remy is cop, but I can't trust their reads anymore.

 

[Aerious]

it's really not a weird road for me to take
even if i'm wrong, i currently think you're scum, and i'm presenting a case on you so town can win
if i'm wrong and you're town, then i'm wrong, but you not investigating last night is scummy as hell so that's on you



idk about a code, but remy would have known that heyden was fakeclaiming bc volt was scum, and they would have known whether or not guava had used her lawyer power on him during n0
iirc, the heyden claim was just sitting there for a quite a while before remy CC'd, so very possible they saw there were no CCs and took the risk

i think the plan was to get us to kill heyden eventually, if not d1, and bus volt so that remy would get 100% towncleared

i mean guava hopped right on the boat to flip and kill heyden. did remy mention this as well?

 

[Feferily]

it's really not a weird road for me to take
even if i'm wrong, i currently think you're scum, and i'm presenting a case on you so town can win
if i'm wrong and you're town, then i'm wrong, but you not investigating last night is scummy as hell so that's on you



idk about a code, but remy would have known that heyden was fakeclaiming bc volt was scum, and they would have known whether or not guava had used her lawyer power on him during n0
iirc, the heyden claim was just sitting there for a quite a while before remy CC'd, so very possible they saw there were no CCs and took the risk

i think the plan was to get us to kill heyden eventually, if not d1, and bus volt so that remy would get 100% towncleared

You’re reaching. It was sitting there because I was unsure whether I should claim.

 

[epona]

For this to work guava need to be the goon. claiming doc, but the lawyer was too risky I don't get their plan.
Lets say we buy this.
I will protect Remy
Epona or Tom are killed today.
I died this night
F3
Tom/Epona, Aerious and Remy
Remy scum reads Tom
Aerious and Remy kill Tom
Mafia wins

yes, i think NL is a bad idea today

currently 4v1
> NL today
> after n3 kill: 3 v 1
> d4 then becomes MYLO, and we still can't trust remy's results

if we kill remy today, we either win, or if i'm wrong and remy actually is cop:
> n3: 3v1
> after n3 kill: 2v1
> d4 MYLO but with a smaller POE. f3 ends up being aerious, remy and someone else

after today i don't think we can trust remy's results, so killing them even if they are cop is whatever bc their role is no longer townlocked for me

 

[Ace Marvel]

idk about a code, but remy would have known that heyden was fakeclaiming bc volt was scum, and they would have known whether or not guava had used her lawyer power on him during n0
iirc, the heyden claim was just sitting there for a quite a while before remy CC'd, so very possible they saw there were no CCs and took the risk

i think the plan was to get us to kill heyden eventually, if not d1, and bus volt so that remy would get 100% towncleared

I left instructions to win the game, crystal clear instructions. So I don't get why I am alive. In no universe can you scum read me for being alive and the person I protected. Twice.
If I was scum with guava, by now Remy is pretty much gone.
If you kill me yesterday, what was the plan?

 

[Aerious]

we have 2 vanilla town left potentially depending on who died n0
current players have claimed:
tom: vanilla
me: oracle
ace: doctor
annie: vanilla
remy: cop
i’m rly scared remy winds up actual cop and we get rolled. guava did the same play where she “messed up” pr role by protecting “strong town” eg epona
makes me believe epona is town and that was a slip from guava, but it could potentially go either way to have been a cheap attempt to townclear

 

[Feferily]

I don’t mind if you don’t trust my reads currently and after my idiot mistake I don’t blame you. I want what’s best for town (and obviously I want to live) but town takes importance over me in this case.