Mafia Janitorial 2.0! Day ends June 22nd 2020, 5 PM PST.

[Ace Marvel]

yes, i think NL is a bad idea today

currently 4v1
> NL today
> after n3 kill: 3 v 1
> d4 then becomes MYLO, and we still can't trust remy's results

if we kill remy today, we either win, or if i'm wrong and remy actually is cop:
> n3: 3v1
> after n3 kill: 2v1
> d4 MYLO but with a smaller POE. f3 ends up being aerious, remy and someone else

after today i don't think we can trust remy's results, so killing them even if they are cop is whatever bc their role is no longer townlocked for me

And I claimed doc before I was town read by Remy, at that point it makes no sense to town read me if I was going against Guava.

 

[epona]

I think it's sus that Heyden is roleclaiming even though one or two people have already mentioned that claiming Cop now is only going to negatively affect town.

The way he said it needs to be distrusted as well. It was a clearly intentional soft roll claim.

And I can say for a fact that Heyden and Volt are mafia. I shouldn’t be doing this because I’m probably going to get culled during the night but for towns sake. I’m the cop. Volt is the person I read during the night. They’re mafia aligned.

Heyden clearly isn’t working for town either since they’ve said that volt is clear.

And I don’t know if sanity plays any roll in this but if it doesn’t... I’m the cop. Volt is mafia.

I was sus of you in the beginning Heyden when you greeted Volt with "Hello fellow townie friend" but it was just a tummy feeling. It's a bit more odd that you incorrectly claimed. How would it have been a good strategy? : o I didn't want to out myself but you did read the mafia read I got as town which wasn't .. yeah.

Sounds good. I know I’m cop so I’m not worried about being eliminated. I’m more worried about surviving the night. I wasn’t going to out myself on d1 and get another read but then you voted Volt as towny. I don’t think an experienced player would just clear their fellow scum though? So I’m unsure about you Heyden.

I just get to know if they’re mafia or town aligned, like others said. And I honestly currently just sus Heyden from the group. I mean, if Heyden was lawyer could it affect how I viewed Volt the night before? Either way, vote Volt. Then Heyden. I read Volt as mafia aligned and will lay faith in that reading. I’ll probably not survive this night but if i dont this is what i stand by now

Alright. Then Volt is mafia and I sus Heyden. But I’m also a little confused by Guava voting like that but not enough to make me question it now.

here's everything on remy's reaction to heyden's claim

the bolded bits speak to my theory on the plan to bus volt
> bus volt, volt gets eliminated, remy gets 100% towncleared as cop
> the next day, we mis-eliminate heyden. this still doesn't incriminate remy and their townclear is safe

 

[Ace Marvel]

I'm also pretty much useless now, since no matter who I protect I'm the easy target tonight.

 

[Aerious]

And I claimed doc before I was town read by Remy, at that point it makes no sense to town read me if I was going against Guava.

they read you as town before it was you v guava. you lived bc guava had a chance of being lawyer

Post automatically merged: Jun 25, 2020

also annie, why were you so adamant about saving guava? what was your feeling?

 

[Ace Marvel]

Following Aerious advice:

I am the freaking Doc, you are so woke Epona you actually went back to sleep.

I tried saving Shawo N0, but was told he would die anyway.
I tried using it in myself because didn't read.
I ended up saving of all people Epona

Last nigh of course I save Remy.
I'm dead now but Remy has another night.

I don't agree with everyone claiming.
I was playing middle ground so mafia wouldn't killed me.

if Heyden is the other Vanilla
All roles are claimed, so Guava can only claim doctor too.
And you will mislynch me, but don't and Remy gets one more night.

Post automatically merged: Jun 23, 2020

bye bye doctor.

Last night I read Ace. He’s sided with the village. Reading the last few pages but hello, just woke up!

What I meant is I claimed before the results, there is only one mafia alive, so Ace/Remy is no team.

 

[Aerious]

What I meant is I claimed before the results, there is only one mafia alive, so Ace/Remy is no team.

no one is saying both of you are a team. i don’t understand why they’d town clear you if mafia, bc then guava is going to be the one killed

 

[epona]

And I claimed doc before I was town read by Remy, at that point it makes no sense to town read me if I was going against Guava.

remy couldn't fake a townread on guava, bc guava was the lawyer and couldn't target herself. if guava got eliminated and flipped lawyer we'd know remy was lying about being cop

remy's townread on you effectively meant nothing bc you could have been lawyered

i know you're town, teddy, dw. there is no world atm where you're not town. but i also don't see a world where you and remy are BOTH town and still alive, so remy has to be scum for me

 

[Ace Marvel]

no one is saying both of you are a team. i don’t understand why they’d town clear you if mafia, bc then guava is going to be the one killed

I know that I'm just trying to think as mafia and why a me vs guava with me read as town works in their favor.

 

[epona]

they read you as town before it was you v guava. you lived bc guava had a chance of being lawyer

Post automatically merged: Jun 25, 2020

also annie, why were you so adamant about saving guava? what was your feeling?

it wasn't really that i was adamant about saving guava, more that i was adamant that ace was scum
i entertained the idea of them both being scum for a bit, but in the end decided ace was scummier
that's literally it unfortunately lol i was just wrong about it

 

[Feferily]

here's everything on remy's reaction to heyden's claim

the bolded bits speak to my theory on the plan to bus volt
> bus volt, volt gets eliminated, remy gets 100% towncleared as cop
> the next day, we mis-eliminate heyden. this still doesn't incriminate remy and their townclear is safe

I still think this is a weird road for you to go on if you’re town. Obviously I would sus the one who fakeclaimed my role. I even tried to get it out of Heyden before I claimed myself because I didn’t want to become prime target in case doctor wasn’t alive. (I was going to claim though because I did have a mafia read. I was just hesitant and insecure.)

 

[Ace Marvel]

Okay lets go Remy, but I'm more worried about what's next.

 

[Aerious]

remy couldn't fake a townread on guava, bc guava was the lawyer and couldn't target herself. if guava got eliminated and flipped lawyer we'd know remy was lying about being cop

remy's townread on you effectively meant nothing bc you could have been lawyered

i know you're town, teddy, dw. there is no world atm where you're not town. but i also don't see a world where you and remy are BOTH town and still alive, so remy has to be scum for me

they could’ve hit you, tom, or heyden. honestly idk why heyden died here bc he wasn’t in the clear. rly rly leaning on both deaths being a bad way to frame

Post automatically merged: Jun 25, 2020

Okay lets go Remy, but I'm more worried about what's next.

so if remy is cop, what happens next day?

 

[epona]

no one is saying both of you are a team. i don’t understand why they’d town clear you if mafia, bc then guava is going to be the one killed

but i don't understand why a town!remy would investigate ace at all. i had been very vocal EOD 1 that i thought ace was scum so if he were, he was a prime lawyer target

remy even provided this caveat too:

I did read Ace as town-sided but are we believing it was Lawyer influence?

 

[Feferily]

it wasn't really that i was adamant about saving guava, more that i was adamant that ace was scum
i entertained the idea of them both being scum for a bit, but in the end decided ace was scummier
that's literally it unfortunately lol i was just wrong about it

Wrong or you wanted to save Lawyer.

 

[Ace Marvel]

Why didn't the lawyer protected the janitor?

@shawo did mafia had N0 chat?

 

[Aerious]

Why didn't the lawyer protected the janitor?

@shawo did mafia had N0 chat?

scum knows scum team regardless. was goon prepped to cc?

 

[Feferily]

but i don't understand why a town!remy would investigate ace at all. i had been very vocal EOD 1 that i thought ace was scum so if he were, he was a prime lawyer target

remy even provided this caveat too:

I’m a beginner. I also thought lawyer would assume I wouldn’t read Ace since I was told not to after saying I was going to.

 

[epona]

Why didn't the lawyer protected the janitor?

@shawo did mafia had N0 chat?

good point. if i'm lawyer, i protect janitor over goon bc they have info that can help me if they make it through d1

Post automatically merged: Jun 25, 2020

which means remy would've got a townread on volt

 

[Aerious]

good point. if i'm lawyer, i protect janitor over goon bc they have info that can help me if they make it through d1

Post automatically merged: Jun 25, 2020

which means remy would've got a townread on volt

don’t feel like this is a valid enough point bc maf also had lawyer claim doc instead of goon. their play has been wildly chaotic

 

[Ace Marvel]

Wrong or you wanted to save Lawyer.

Epona will always suspect me, I don't worry about that, but I believe she could easily change the wagon and be read as town, so it doesn't make sense, I was pretty clear that you should look into Epona. So by then the wagon should have changed.

Epona!scum, can't count in you forgetting to send an action.