Adding that Remy's discussion on a Dino/Daniel team was also limited to 'Dino/Daniel team would probably be bad'.
I would like to put in my two cents that normally the level of early discourse between you and Daniel did make it a little harder to see you as a potential team but that was some heavy theatrics there, but thinking about it... it actually makes a lot of sense because your playstyle is perfect for theatrics.
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Like you might never have been mafia to try it but it's quite obvious that you would be someone who would attempt theatrics and probably do it decently too, and I'm willing to bet Daniel thought of that from the off and put you up to it.
Dino defense feels like Daniel leaving instructions before dying.
You are only using the obvious to make a case against me, yet you show no proof actually that can proof I'm mafia.
Why would I go through all the trouble of saving punchy, so Daniel could get a vig kill, for the next day to be in this position.
Is easy to talk when you weren't in any real trouble yesterday.
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Also think for a second Volt, why kill Punchy?
If Punchy survived it was almost 100% sure I would have survived this LyLo, if Daniel was actually my team, what he did was playing against me, at EoD you said you trusted Dino, and by keeping you alive, it gives them the best chance to win.
How does it feel like Daniel leaving instructions before dying?
How on earth would Daniel be able to leave a fully-detailed plan containing notes on how to argue against points that haven't been made yet? This is true no matter who the mafia is - Daniel would not know nor have time to make a big list of 'this is how you counteract them if they say this'.
I honestly don't know why you would go through that trouble but that's part of the problem with you - your methods seem all over the place and even if you were town, you cannot deny that so much of your behaviour yesterday was very anti-town and still are being anti-town by trying to convince Volt to vote me instead. Not that I can really blame you I suppose, since at this point you are pretty much free to open-wolf and see if Volt catches on that they are voting in the wrong place before EoD, I guess.
My only guess is that by putting in the effort to save Punchy and instead lynch Dan, you would be awarded the mafia kill leaving yourself, either me or Remy and either Volt or Punchy into the final three and hope that the 'I saved Punchy' line would give you towncred to convince Volt/Punchto vote for me/Remy, I imagine you weren't expecting the other team to let it rand (can't say I was either, so don't blame you for that, I imagine the fact it went to a rand really sucked for both parties)
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I also want to add that I really think this back and forth between us is mostly pointless without Volt since the game does really just rest on Volt's shoulders at this point.
I'm concerned that we're going to descend into arguing and I really don't want to argue with you, I'm just concerned you would jump on the chance to say 'you're avoiding conversation to avoid slipping' which would be a fair argument to make, even though it's not true, I just really don't wanna argue with you.
So, if you don't mind, I would quite like to wait for Volt so they can be a part of the conversation - after all, it's Volt we need to convince, not each other.
How does it feel like Daniel leaving instructions before dying?
How on earth would Daniel be able to leave a fully-detailed plan containing notes on how to argue against points that haven't been made yet? This is true no matter who the mafia is - Daniel would not know nor have time to make a big list of 'this is how you counteract them if they say this'.
I honestly don't know why you would go through that trouble but that's part of the problem with you - your methods seem all over the place and even if you were town, you cannot deny that so much of your behaviour yesterday was very anti-town and still are being anti-town by trying to convince Volt to vote me instead. Not that I can really blame you I suppose, since at this point you are pretty much free to open-wolf and see if Volt catches on that they are voting in the wrong place before EoD, I guess.
My only guess is that by putting in the effort to save Punchy and instead lynch Dan, you would be awarded the mafia kill leaving yourself, either me or Remy and either Volt or Punchy into the final three and hope that the 'I saved Punchy' line would give you towncred to convince Volt/Punchto vote for me/Remy, I imagine you weren't expecting the other team to let it rand (can't say I was either, so don't blame you for that, I imagine the fact it went to a rand really sucked for both parties)
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I also want to add that I really think this back and forth between us is mostly pointless without Volt since the game does really just rest on Volt's shoulders at this point.
I'm concerned that we're going to descend into arguing and I really don't want to argue with you, I'm just concerned you would jump on the chance to say 'you're avoiding conversation to avoid slipping' which would be a fair argument to make, even though it's not true, I just really don't wanna argue with you.
So, if you don't mind, I would quite like to wait for Volt so they can be a part of the conversation - after all, it's Volt we need to convince, not each other.
also I agree on ace that dan might have killed punchy because I said I trust dino
btw, just to clarify, I didn't know it was going rand when I said I wasn't to change my vote. I didn't know dan voted me. not being able to read through EoD really sucked and I'm going to plan my schedule better next time
with that said, ahhh I still feel good about voting dino. I said dino seemed town but just because they have a good response under pressure but thinking about it's not reaaally that big of a deal
I re-read everything and I can put anything together because both of you makes a lot of sense as scum to me, I know ace haven't been playing a "normal" town and his theatrics about daniel makes sense, but coached by dan I think this plan can be a shoot on the feet and idk
anyway I think that's it and if you are town dino I'm sorry
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I mean that ace theatrics doesn't make sense considering he is teamed with dan, I think
If you think my response under pressure is good, what do you think about Ace's response last night - which was really, really intense and all over the place despite not being on the chopping block?
If you think my response under pressure is good, what do you think about Ace's response last night - which was really, really intense and all over the place despite not being on the chopping block?
I will be the first too admit that my AtE and chaos are more scum leaning than town, but most of the time they push players to act and that give us answers.
I will be the first too admit that my AtE and chaos are more scum leaning than town, but most of the time they push players to act and that give us answers.
Nobody's perfect!
I gotta work it!
Again and again 'til I get it right
Nobody's perfect!
You live and you learn it!
And if I mess it up sometimes
Nobody's perfect
I always stick to my plans and each game I learn more and more how to be successful without changing my game plan, I have to work harder on my pushes, because I think they are my biggest flaws.
Sometimes I work a scheme
But then it flips on me
Most of the time my actions will make me look like I'm scum, but you live and you learn,
Doesn't turn out how I planned
Get stuck in quicksand
Basically what is happening right now, my biggest defense, Punchy is dead and I'm struggling, but it doesn't matter what's on the other siiiiiiiiiiiiide, it's the climb.
No problem can be solved
Once I get involved
I have to be really active for my plans to work and to correct them in the moment, if not it's a bug mistake
I try to be delicate
Then crash right into it
THIS!!! I think I'm so clever, but I'm just brute force sometimes.
Also Ted, Daniel ALWAYS asks questions. That's his thing. I know that one for a fact lol. Not saying it's AI, just saying it's not really something to be majorly sus over.
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hello there, General Kenobi
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*Ace, not Ted. Will take me a while to get used to that change, apologies in advance for slipping up
Oki dokie good morning people let's discuss Team A (I am on B, right?)
Daniel - Active, asking lots of questions, seeming like a rather usual Daniel. Has been pointed out that I don't actually know mafia!Daniel meta and only town Daniel, but I still see no difference between this Daniel and previous Daniel games, so take with that what you will. I do notice that for all the questions coming from Daniel, he's not answering as many himself, which I would normally be inclined to say is rather suspicious... at the same time Arapocalypse in Daniel's champs game was a power role and did much the same thing, soooo... Rather unsure. Would be happy to put Daniel in the "saying no for now but will be open to reconsidering" box. Not that I could vote for Daniel today either way.
Punchy - Punchy came in and got right into solving the game, putting quite a lot on Ace and I like that. Also I have 1 game previously with Punchy where he was scum, and I'm not really seeing that same Punchy (spoiler: I thought that Punchy was annoying as hell soz bud you seem a lot more chill in other games) which helps me see Punchy are more towny... However, it seems Punchy recently changed their mind on Ace being the mafia here and left with no explanation or further elaboration on who it could be instead. Looking forward to seeing said explanation because I really don't like the way it looks currently with the lack of one.
Punchy has also been pretty defensive of Remy, the whole "Remy is too pure" shtick seems to be either memeing or...? If it's just memeing I hope Punch will actually reconsider Remy if it comes to them being together in the final three. If it's not just memeing... I really don't see the "too pure", I'm still feeling torn between Ace and Remy honestly, could really be either I think. If the team was Punch+Remy, would Punchy so openly and obviously make connections to their teammate like that? Or is it maybe that it's not Remy and Punchy is trying to pocket a townie... and trying to distance from fellow teammate Ace by putting a lot of pressure on? I think the latter might be a bit more likely, but this is something I would like to discuss.
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Volt - currently least active member of Team A but wouldn't say that's AI unless it gets to the point we've still heard very little approaching EoD. Has been talking about strategies and has been quite open about their gut feelings about which posts they like and which they don't, which I always like, 'cause sometimes a post can make you feel iffy and you can't really explain why but that doesn't mean you're wrong. Kinda feels like a "not got anything I know how to properly sink my teeth into" which I can see coming from townie since I've been in the same place before. Probably most confident that Volt is townie out of all 3 Team A's.
Currently strongest sus on Punch but open to discussing Dan.
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Can you please explain what this sentence means because I genuinely cannot figure out what you are trying to say... unless that's the point
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While you're at it, Ace, never got the answer for this (or maybe I did and I just missed it, in which case can you quote it for me or smth? Thanks.)
Sorry, I think I worded it badly - I mean in terms of your posts you have felt a little more question than contributions of your own, and I do know you are very capable of plenty of own contributions, as you proved in the post I nabbed this quite from.
I think if it's between teamed or pocketing, I'd say Punchy is pocketing Remy - really hadn't considered the possibility of a forced read, but I don't see the benefit of forcing a read that's town? Like say Punchy is mafia, and Remy isn't, then Punchy will know Remy is town and doesn't really have to 'force' anything... and given how few players there are, townlocking someone seems like a bad idea because it just reduces the players to try and frame.
Then again, if it's town Punchy forcing a read... that's even weirder TBH
you don't? makes sense to me, the two quiet ones on each team slipping under the rader... plenty of time to discuss in maf chat... I get why you are wary of it but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of it entirely.
Daniel has said that he doesn't think it's Remy but at the same time isn't really going out of his way to convince us to vote otherwise outside of the very "ur wrong but oh well"
