Mafia Love Letter TBT Redux Micromafia (6 Player Mafia)

[illunie]

I still think the wording is a slip. Also where is the info on the number generator thing? While she says 'at random' are we just going to trust that she isn't trying throw mafia some sort of bone? 1 v 5 is a townsided ratio.

literally from the game rules in the op

2) Second, We will all be playing Love Letter at the same time. You will be assigned a card at random, and you will play that card. Here are the cards:

also, evidence of the card checker if ur still somehow unconvinced

Bianca, do you need a card checker for this one as well? Or would you be fine without one?

I need one Actually for fairness sake, can you generate the sequence for me? thanks a bunch!!

Sure. I don't mind generating the sequence for you.

also, apparently this is the exact same as the last love letter mafia game that u played in, so i rly dont know how u could be doubting it. idk if this is just a huge mistake or willful ignorance at this point lol

 

[PunchyTheCat]

1. Is Punchy part of the game?
no
2. Timezone/Pronound/Etc?
Male/EST
3. You?re town and you?re given the baron. It is assumed that players dying due to modkill or other card play is infitknely unlikely and town Lynch?s everyday (Meaning that D2 is prob 3v1 and thus MYLO). Due you take the shot with the baron on N1 or N2?
no, that would make D2 LYLO if I used it N1 and it killed someone.

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tbh Dad is right but that's just one post, I feel like I need more reason for Dolby to be scum to vote him. also this setup is very confusing imo. Do we pick a new card? when do we pick a new card? Is picking a new card a good idea??

 

[Geoni]

I think it is more about host paranoia than anything because after the last game and her comment in Korean War I still firmly believe she human balances and with human balancing being inherently problematic I don't see it as a stretch to think cards aren't actually random. I wouldn't mind that either.

What are your thoughts on the rest of my post on Dolby because a majority of it doesn't have to do with this card discussion and the rqs remains jarring af.

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Remember when I advised not to answer #3?

 

[Biancasbotique]

1. Is Punchy part of the game?
no
2. Timezone/Pronound/Etc?
Male/EST
3. You’re town and you’re given the baron. It is assumed that players dying due to modkill or other card play is infitknely unlikely and town Lynch’s everyday (Meaning that D2 is prob 3v1 and thus MYLO). Due you take the shot with the baron on N1 or N2?
no, that would make D2 LYLO if I used it N1 and it killed someone.

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tbh Dad is right but that's just one post, I feel like I need more reason for Dolby to be scum to vote him. also this setup is very confusing imo. Do we pick a new card? when do we pick a new card? Is picking a new card a good idea??

You get a new card either by:

1) using your card , then at end of cycle , you get a new card
2) someone used their card to make you forcefully discard your card


I give you the new cards

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I think it is more about host paranoia than anything because after the last game and her comment in Korean War I still firmly believe she human balances and with human balancing being inherently problematic I don't see it as a stretch to think cards aren't actually random. I wouldn't mind that either.

What are your thoughts on the rest of my post on Dolby because a majority of it doesn't have to do with this card discussion and the rqs remains jarring af.

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Remember when I advised not to answer #3?

Dad , everything is random. I use RNG to generate town or mafia roles , then I assign cards via the order of your sign up and using Ryumia's randomly generated card sequence

 

[Biancasbotique]

Card Status Update:

One card has been played so far. There are fifteen cards left.

All results will be disclosed at end of cycle

 

[PunchyTheCat]

I think it is more about host paranoia than anything because after the last game and her comment in Korean War I still firmly believe she human balances and with human balancing being inherently problematic I don't see it as a stretch to think cards aren't actually random. I wouldn't mind that either.

What are your thoughts on the rest of my post on Dolby because a majority of it doesn't have to do with this card discussion and the rqs remains jarring af.

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Remember when I advised not to answer #3?

I didn't read past the RQs at the moment

 

[Geoni]

Okay Bianca but if Dolby ends up being mafia I'm going to have a hard time believing it, ijs.

Also Punchy is already obvtown.

 

[Biancasbotique]

bloops lol

 

[Geoni]

DID ANYONE SEE IT?

 

[Dolby]

Tbh, I feel like I can see a big difference in the method that Dads going about this than compared to last game. More up-front and seeking to directly interact with people more (though this could be due to me creating something to actually talk about)

Kinda feel like I can see the wheels turning in Runes head, but strange that there hasn?t been anything like in past games that made me townlock him

Now for the elephant in the room, the RQS. As I said at the time, my brain was fried, but after last game when there was no discussion for pretty much half the day I felt that there should be an RQS posted, of at least to get people posting. Frankly, exempting Q3, none of the questions were designed to do anything except get people to at least display a cursuary interest in the game (which Unravel and Phil failed to show, so it was pretty much just me Dad and Antonio).

Now I?m going to dispute that Q3 was really all that bad and this kinda reminds me of how I was attacked for asking people who?d they king in Kingmaker. Nobody, myself included, can guess people?s card based solely on that data point, could it provide a data point for me? I suppose, but I?d have to do a lot of fishing to get more, because I might be able to tell as scum if someone had a baron. Furthermore, THE QUESTION ENDED UP BEING USEFUL, because apparently Punchy would not have used the baron(or he didn?t read the N2 part of the that question, which could end up invalidating all of this paragraph). This is exactly the viewpoint that I was trying to reveal about card play, because if N2 comes along and it?s 2v1 with maf killing, you better be using that card on someone, which it looks like he wouldn?t do (also, D2 MYLO and D2 LYLO can effectively be the same thing because scum needs one mislynch to win and town has no way of gaining them back in this set up)

Also Dad, where are you getting that I?m slipping

I?m gonna have to read back in how all of you play, but I do have at least gut townleans on all who have posted

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DID ANYONE SEE IT?

Also no

 

[Geoni]

Sucks if the I hit scum and still die, but that infos worth my death, and 50% chance for what effectively would be another lynch for town is something I?d take N1

Sentence typing slip. Your brain was fried.

 

[Dolby]

Sentence typing slip. Your brain was fried.

That was in the context of the hypothetical situation.

But eh, understandable

 

[Geoni]

I'll also note that I'm not a huge fan of how much you are under-reacting here Dolby. I promise I'm not tunneling here but I've gotten to know how you play and a lot of what you're doing here doesn't seem like town you.

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Kinda feel like I can see the wheels turning in Runes head, but strange that there hasn’t been anything like in past games that made me townlock him

#SEEDS OF DOUBT

 

[Dolby]

I'll also note that I'm not a huge fan of how much you are under-reacting here Dolby. I promise I'm not tunneling here but I've gotten to know how you play and a lot of what you're doing here doesn't seem like town you.

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#SEEDS OF DOUBT

Ok, you literally do say the first thing in the merge, and then do that

Can’t help but point out the irony here

 

[Geoni]

Now I’m going to dispute that Q3 was really all that bad and this kinda reminds me of how I was attacked for asking people who’d they king in Kingmaker. Nobody, myself included, can guess people’s card based solely on that data point, could it provide a data point for me? I suppose, but I’d have to do a lot of fishing to get more, because I might be able to tell as scum if someone had a baron.

You are a blue when you have certain cards in this game, lets be real. Your ability to bluesnipe tends to be formulated based on behavioral tells that answers to a question such as this one can bring about, in addition to bits of bluemeta if you're lucky to have it. Fishing is your forte anyways, btw. And it's something done quietly. This, in combination with my belief that you slipped that you had the baron card, made me heavily dislike the question. Not only that, but rather than it being a question to form a baseline read it seems like you were looking for those behavioral tells you use to bluesnipe through people's answer to a question like that. It leads to what appears to be a pro-solvey game but really what it leads to is cardreads more than anything. And appearing super solvey right from the getgo and making random excuses for things is mainly why I'm so aggro on you right now if I'm going to be completely honest. Is it enough for me? Not entirely, but of all the activity so far yours remains the least likeable activity.

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I’m gonna have to read back in how all of you play, but I do have at least gut townleans on all who have posted

It's comments like these that I'm talking about when it comes to you not acting like your townself. As town, you don't announce this, you just do it. Also again, solvey.

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Ok, you literally do say the first thing in the merge, and then do that

Can’t help but point out the irony here

I didn't have to plant any seeds of doubt because you came in here carrying a full tree of doubt.

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Kinda feel like I can see the wheels turning in Runes head, but strange that there hasn’t been anything like in past games that made me townlock him

Can you point out which lines from Rune in this game give you the impression that the wheels are turning in his head in an AI way?

 

[Dolby]

Ok, you do have a fair point on the least likeable activity thus far for why you?re so aggro, because right now I?m townreading everybody to some extent, yourself included

But you seriously have no idea how I bluesnipe. 90% of it is meta, 9% is finding out detectives who change their minds on people or no stuff that they don?t know. I can personally remember only one time I fished, I was trying to find vig in Ness?s Smash game awhile back, desperately trying to find a vig that didn?t exist (which could end a perfect game for scum). I don?t use meta if I?m lucky, I use it as a method, I?ve literally spent multiple hours analyzing a persons meta to see if they?re blue. If you can point out a recent example of me fishing, paint me red and call me scum

And again, Q3 did turn out to be useful because we know that Lunchy wouldn?t use the Baron as a last resort (which he should be doing anyway), which could end up costing town the game if he didn?t do it

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First part of #39. Why I?m unsure is that he kinda left a cop out there.

But looking back #41 def seems like something town Rune would look into, and kinda reminds me of his focus in the cancelled Lunchy maf where we broke the game

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The whole thing relates to how Rune specifically operates as town

 

[Geoni]

I might be misremembering but I would swear you've bluesniped new players before with no meta to go off. I should probably concede to myself that meta and behavioral analysis are the same thing though. What's the 1% you left out?

Also fishing isn't always a mafia thing, town can do it too.

 

[Dolby]

I might be misremembering but I would swear you've bluesniped new players before with no meta to go off. I should probably concede to myself that meta and behavioral analysis are the same thing though. What's the 1% you left out?

Also fishing isn't always a mafia thing, town can do it too.

Fishing is the 1%, which was the desperation driven example I gave.

Noobs typically fall into two play style types: Active as blue and inactive townie (where their motivation is to get a PR abd don’t actively participate in scum hunting), or PROTECTIVE blue active townie (there noobs view their PR as something worth protecting, and stop speaking to avoid the kill). At this point, it’s a simple matter of finding out which noobs playstyle it is

My motivation asking 3 was not to fish, but to see who would do suboptimal play.

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Dad how am I obvtown already?

 

[cornimer]

1. Is Punchy part of the game?
No but Lunchy is
2. Timezone/Pronound/Etc?
ET/Female

I don't have a good answer for 3

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Dad how am I obvtown already?

I would guess because you had no idea how cards worked in your first post

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Sentence typing slip. Your brain was fried.

That was in the context of the hypothetical situation.

But eh, understandable

I'll also note that I'm not a huge fan of how much you are under-reacting here Dolby. I promise I'm not tunneling here but I've gotten to know how you play and a lot of what you're doing here doesn't seem like town you.

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#SEEDS OF DOUBT

Yeah I agree with Dad's point about under-reacting, I feel like town Dolby would be like "OMK are you seriously scumreading me over a typo", based on how I remember him reacting to being scumread for bluesniping before.