Marijuana

medical marijuana is ****ing stupid and if it were proven to work at all times laymen wouldn't be voting on it. we're not voting on chemotherapy being legal or anything right?

that being said, recreational is also stupid as ****.

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literally most idiots don't understand actual randomized trials that you're SUPPOSED to use for drug studies. lmao w/e

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cigarettes are only legal because the government loves its economy. morons

Says the 16 year old that's probably never even tried it. I've seen it relieve pain more effectively for an 81 year old man that's worked on a farm his entire life, than hydrocodone. I've seen it work better at relieving anxiety than xanax. And it's not addictive, you can still function, you don't get a hangover from it like you would with a strong pain medication, it's next to impossible to overdose, it won't damage your liver and you don't have to smoke it.
 
Says the 16 year old that's probably never even tried it. I've seen it relieve pain more effectively for an 81 year old man that's worked on a farm his entire life, than hydrocodone. I've seen it work better at relieving anxiety than xanax. And it's not addictive, you can still function, you don't get a hangover from it like you would with a strong pain medication, it's next to impossible to overdose, it won't damage your liver and you don't have to smoke it.

aren't you a hair stylist? what the hell have you seen?
 
aren't you a hair stylist? what the hell have you seen?

I've seen people using it and it working for them without negative side effects. Being a hair stylist doesn't make me blind to the rest of the entire world.

Oh, and aren't you 16? What the hell have you seen? You're still in high school. Just because your family is full of doctors that make a **** ton of money off prescribing people medication doesn't make you a doctor or anyone with any considerable medical knowledge. Of course weed isn't the solution to every medical problem, but for something like pain, it's pretty damn great.
 
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I've seen people using it and it working for them without negative side effects. Being a hair stylist doesn't make me blind to the rest of the entire world.

Oh, and aren't you 16? What the hell have you seen? You're still in high school. Just because your family is full of doctors that make **** ton of money off prescribing people medication doesn't make you a doctor or anyone with any considerable medical knowledge. Of course weed isn't the solution to every medical problem, but for something like pain, it's pretty damn great.

i mean, with constant access to a hospital and a bunch of doctors who love talking to you, probably way more than you! i understand that your verborrhea makes it difficult for you to realize that a hair stylist like you isn't the leading expert in everything. and that's okay. people can be patient.

also please *****, don't ****ing say my family's in medicine for money. my family studied medicine in syria and now successfully practice in america. my dad became an oncologist because he was orphaned by his father with his mother (in a country where all women do is housework) when he was a teenager because he died from pancreatic cancer. before my dad worked for the hospital, he paid for his patients' chemotherapy when they couldn't afford it. despite how you feel, I assure you, you will never know more than doctors who studied for over 10 years and have been in practice for more than 20. as I have stated before, there are alternatives for weed that help with pain. so yeah. 😊
 
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i mean, with constant access to a hospital and a bunch of doctors who love talking to you, probably way more than you! i understand that your verborrhea makes it difficult for you to realize that a hair stylist like you isn't the leading expert in everything. and that's okay. people can be patient.

also please *****, don't ****ing say my family's in medicine for money. my family studied medicine in syria and now successfully practice in america. my dad became an oncologist because he was orphaned by his father with his mother (in a country where all women do is housework) when he was a teenager because he died from pancreatic cancer. before my dad worked for the hospital, he paid for his patients' chemotherapy when they couldn't afford it. despite how you feel, I assure you, you will never know more than doctors who studied for over 10 years and have been in practice for more than 20. as I have stated before, there are alternatives for weed that help with pain. so yeah. ��

Damn she had those receipts ready for mii.
 
i mean, with constant access to a hospital and a bunch of doctors who love talking to you, probably way more than you! i understand that your verborrhea makes it difficult for you to realize that a hair stylist like you isn't the leading expert in everything. and that's okay. people can be patient.

also please *****, don't ****ing say my family's in medicine for money. my family studied medicine in syria and now successfully practice in america. my dad became an oncologist because he was orphaned by his father with his mother (in a country where all women do is housework) when he was a teenager because he died from pancreatic cancer. before my dad worked for the hospital, he paid for his patients' chemotherapy when they couldn't afford it. despite how you feel, I assure you, you will never know more than doctors who studied for over 10 years and have been in practice for more than 20. as I have stated before, there are alternatives for weed that help with pain. so yeah. ��

WOW doctors like talking to you more than me? Damn, you must be an expert. My bad. Allow me to never question your opinion on anything ever again because doctors like you. Because that makes sense.

Obviously I'm not an expert in everything (or most things, for that matter). But again. Marijuana isn't just something dumb college students use because it's fun. It has a number of benefits besides getting you high, and of course there are alternatives, but most medications have more (and worse) side effects than marijuana. And again, it's next to impossible to overdose on marijuana and long term use doesn't damage your liver, or your kidneys.

No offense, but I don't care about your family history. Your dad has great intentions, good for him. But doctors do benefit from prescribing the kind of medicine you can't grow yourself. Your dad may very well be a doctor that doesn't take advantage of that, and again, good for him. But I can't say that I'm surprised he's against it. Until pretty recently in Syria, smoking pot could earn you the death penalty or life imprisonment.
 
I don't really care about if it's legalized or not but if its legalized I wonder what would happen to the people, especially poc (read:black ppl) that have been imprisoned by having it.
 
It's recently been made legal under medical supervision for pain relief purposes here. It's outrageous it took this long, and needed such a big public outcry before finally passing and made law. Medicinal use is incredibly beneficial for many types of pain relief, and has been proven to have little-to-no adverse reactions or unwanted side effects, something that cannot be said of pharmaceutical equivalents.

The initial program is quite restricted, but hopefully will quickly be opened up to more people in desperate need.

As to whether or not it should be made legal in general, my personal opinion is "yes" as the cultural war on drugs has had no measurable success, but wasted an unbelievable amount of time, effort, and money over the years. If such efgorts were aimed solely at the drugs that cause problems, and dealing with potheads came under the same banner as those who drink alcohol in a way that attracts law enforcement (public nuisance, indecency, drunk/drugged driving, etc), then we'd have improved outcomes across the board.

I've never used it or any other illegal substance personally, a decision I would stick to even if made legal. But it would help a lot of suffering people.
 
WOW doctors like talking to you more than me? Damn, you must be an expert. My bad. Allow me to never question your opinion on anything ever again because doctors like you. Because that makes sense.

Obviously I'm not an expert in everything (or most things, for that matter). But again. Marijuana isn't just something dumb college students use because it's fun. It has a number of benefits besides getting you high, and of course there are alternatives, but most medications have more (and worse) side effects than marijuana. And again, it's next to impossible to overdose on marijuana and long term use doesn't damage your liver, or your kidneys.

No offense, but I don't care about your family history. Your dad has great intentions, good for him. But doctors do benefit from prescribing the kind of medicine you can't grow yourself. Your dad may very well be a doctor that doesn't take advantage of that, and again, good for him. But I can't say that I'm surprised he's against it. Until pretty recently in Syria, smoking pot could earn you the death penalty or life imprisonment.

lmao that's not what I said at all! i just have easy access to information from doctors in person. unlike you :)

most medicines have worse side effects? lol when doctors prescribe medication, they know what they're doing and they know how that person will likely react. doesn't matter. i don't care if it's impossible to OD on it? that's not a concern when things get PRESCRIBED to you in CERTAIN AMOUNTS. and if they chug all their meds in one day and can't get anymore and react badly, then obviously that's their own fault. but that's super uncommon.

haha don't say you don't care about my family's history. you implied that my family opposes weed because they'd make money off of it being illegal (when they could make even more if weed were legal LMAO). shut up. you know what you meant.

you can't say that youre surprised he's against it? ok now I'm sure youre racist. people in syria aren't ****ing idiot sheep that believe everything their government tells them, hence the civil war! so they're (my family) not as backwards as you seem to think. thanks :)

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and you know what else was illegal in syria??? batteries. so it's funny that you think that's why my dad opposes medical marijuana rofl.
 
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I dunno, don't really care. If legalizing marijuana has positive benefits, then sure. Just hope I won't have to smell too much of it, already hate the stink cigs create.

Sry to be blunt but you might want to knock down that cocky tone of yours, it's hard to take your argument seriously with it and it just screams that you're 16 and overconfident.
 
I dunno, don't really care. If legalizing marijuana has positive benefits, then sure. Just hope I won't have to smell too much of it, already hate the stink cigs create.


Sry to be blunt but you might want to knock down that cocky tone of yours, it's hard to take your argument seriously with it and it just screams that you're 16 and overconfident.

who even are you? yeah I'm 16 and I'm confident in my opinions. does that make you upset?

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it's just interesting how, most people that disagree with me love to bring up the fact that I'm 16.
 
who even are you? yeah I'm 16 and I'm confident in my opinions. does that make you upset?

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it's just interesting how, most people that disagree with me love to bring up the fact that I'm 16.

Hi! I'm Amanda, I'm 32 nearly 33, and I have quite a thorough background in medical stuff myself due to my own health concerns (significant and my medical team is varied and quite large as these things go), education (I'm an early childhood educator who has specialised in working with children with additional needs for which I've received comprehensive training), I'm close friends with numerous Dr's, nurses, and other medical professionals in various fields, and have been heavily involved with pallative care for 2 relatives/friends who are now deceased (dementia with additional conditions, and cancer that spread through the lymph nodes, respectively).

I don't care what age you are, I take your arguments as they are.

I disagree with you because every single Dr I've spoken to about medicinal marijuana has said literally the opposite of your statements in this thread. While there are obviously special considerations needed to ensure regulated "doses" are taken during studies, this difficulty has been overcome in various ways.. and that was the only quibble ever eaised against medicinal marijuana aside from the fact that it was illegal at the time.

Doctors and the broader community have successfully campaigned to have marijuana legalised for medicinal use in Australia. This is because the evidence-based research demonstrated overwhelming benefits to the use of marijuana medicinally. It is especially helpful for many cancer patients, as Miii already explained.

I don't doubt that your father and your family is against it, as are you. I don't know how much research you've done into it yourself, but I personally have read dozens of studies and peer-reviewed papers on the topic. I had a lot of time on my hands, and a natural aptitude.

I would be very interested in seeing any specific research, study, or paper you could point to in favour of your position. I would love to read anything that contradicts what I've read in the past, and been told by a variety of specialists. I'm always happy to stand corrected, and keen to learn more whenever possible. If your father has any pieces I could look up, that would be appreciated if you could pass that information along please. Regardless of where it's published, I'll know someone who can access it appropriately to pass on to me. My network has never let me down yet!

So, to conclude : I disagree with your statements because everything I've seen, read, and been told suggests that basically the opposite is true. That doesn't mean you're wrong (although I'm currently flummoxed as to how you could be correct on all counts, having read so many studies et al myself). Doctors have different understandings of research, and different topics are more of interest to some than others. I have dealt mostly with Dr's specialising in chronic pain management and/or pallitive care, which naturally make them more likely to keep up to date with current research and practices.

Oh - I've never used marijuana medicinally or otherwise. Whilst it was thoroughly considered by my team, it was ultimately deemed unsuitable in my circumstances. That may change in the future, though I will continue to question them on any advice for or against it, just as I do anything else.

:)
 
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drugs r gross. a lot of the time people lie about pain just to get marijuana, simply to get high. there is alternative medication for pain that can be used in place of marijuana

One of the primary uses of medical marijuana is for pain control. However, over-the-counter medications such as acetaminophen or ibuprofen and prescription medications such as codeine can serve as safe, effective alternatives to medical marijuana. A report published in the "British Medical Journal" that reviewed nine trials that compared marijuana with other pain medications found that marijuana was no more effective than codeine in controlling acute, chronic, or cancer pain.

the drugs negatives outweigh the positives (not that there really are any) imo
 
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yeah sure, but if you wouldn't mind waiting til the 24th, since I can barely get on tbt right now let alone be organized and pull up everything (in the middle of nowhere ATM). I'll either post here if the thread's not closed, or I can VM/PM you when the time comes.

in the meantime, could you show me all the research/studies you've seen/read? (preferably only prospective randomized trials). thx
 
I don't care if it's legal or not. I'm not into that stuff and I don't plan on getting into it any time soon so it doesn't affect me. But with that said, I think it's ridiculous how someone can get a few months in jail for a serious crime, but can get several years in prision just for having marijuana on them. I don't think that's fair at all. A few years ago my dad went to jail for unpaid tickets, and while he was in there he met a guy who had been arrested just for having a pipe in his car. There weren't even any drugs in it. That's just stupid and wrong to lock someone up for something like that.
 
Closing this down temporarily to give everyone a bit of time to cool off. I get that some of you feel pretty passionate about this particular topic and want to debate about it, but please remember to be respectful when conversing with other members as some of what I've seen here is taking things just a little too far.

I was iffy on letting a topic like this stay open in the first place as I wasn't sure TBT was the best place to talk about this type of thing, but I am interested to hear more opinions on it so will definitely reopen later on. In the meantime, you all are welcome to take things to PM if you'd like to engage in a more heated argument, just please try to remain as respectful as possible in your disagreeing. Thanks!
 
Okay, any debating from now on needs to remain civil and be free of personal attacks of any kind. The next closure will be a permanent one if people can't be respectful of everyone else, including those who hold differing opinions.

Carry on. :)
 
sooo this thread has mostly been about using marijuana for medical purposes which uh i'm not very knowledgeable abt but imo yeah, for medical purposes i think it is ok. because, like, if whar i've read in this thread abt it is true (good pain relief, not addicting, helps ppl w eds eat more, helps w anxiety etc) is true it seems rly good.

but what i have a problem w is uh i guess the use of it to get high and party? like, when ppl are high they can do rly stupid and bad things that can hurt both themselves and others. so, like, i think it should kinda be just for medical purposes or idk at least not used for partying that much?
(i don't mean that ppl shouldn't have fun (and idk how well it works to make sure you don't get too high but uh) but i don't think that encouraging party drugs is a good idea. SssOo uh ye idk )
 
sooo this thread has mostly been about using marijuana for medical purposes which uh i'm not very knowledgeable abt but imo yeah, for medical purposes i think it is ok. because, like, if whar i've read in this thread abt it is true (good pain relief, not addicting, helps ppl w eds eat more, helps w anxiety etc) is true it seems rly good.

but what i have a problem w is uh i guess the use of it to get high and party? like, when ppl are high they can do rly stupid and bad things that can hurt both themselves and others. so, like, i think it should kinda be just for medical purposes or idk at least not used for partying that much?
(i don't mean that ppl shouldn't have fun (and idk how well it works to make sure you don't get too high but uh) but i don't think that encouraging party drugs is a good idea. SssOo uh ye idk )

When people are drunk they do worse things.
Weed does nothing bad if your responsible with it, alcohol does some much worse things. Also, have you seen some of these "legal highs", arguably worse then drugs.
Even though they have been banned still you get the idea.
 
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