@Chrys This is really the only mafia site I've played on in the last year or so, I've been at uni and not playing much mafia at all. I played some one another forum but I was town in all those games as well. (The wiki is, however, bugged - I was also mafia in
this game. But that's plenty old and not really helpful.)
I also feel like I should preface this with a comment on the 'bussing'.
Please ignore it. The two players would not lie about being bussed, there's no benefit. All it means is that there is a busdriver in the game. Other than that? It means jack all. It doesn't even remotely effect the alignment of either bus target, except make tom marginally less likely to be culted and cykes marginally more likely to be culted. (Because tom is a more likely cult target)
But right now our only real goal is lynching the cult leader, which this bussing doesn't change in any way, shape or form.
Really all you should take out from the whole bussed situation is the existence of a strong (almost certainly town) blue role.
Reads, from town -> scum: [
█->
█->█->
█->
█] (I will be referring to cult as scum.)
Toadsworthy:While I disagree with nearly every single read you've posted in this entire thread, the way you're pursuing the reads and the reasons you're using for the reads are respectively solid and understandable. (I just don't agree with them.) From what I saw of your only game as mafia, while it might have been a micro, was so starkly different from your town play that I'm relatively confidant slotting you into town and not being very indecisive about it.
Fleshy:Between his extremely genuine looking last second unvote attempt and his reads list, I see no real reason to put him anywhere but solidly on the town list. As I go through more and more ISO's, I realise that my opinion on mog is a
really unpopular one. Which I guess makes sense, since my initial impression of her was town as well.
Chrystina:Nothing really to say here. All of her posts so far have been relatively on point. I am interested to hear her
reasons for voting tom that she promised to say later when she had more time. Weak town lean.
Curry:I've liked most of his content so far, but he's kind of tapered off content-wise. I'd like to see some larger posts popping out from him soon, preferably containing reads.
Amanda:I'm going to be honest, my first impression of your reads post was that you weren't providing that much new information when I skimmed it earlier today. Which I really, really hoped I was wrong about, because you're clearly making a very large effort for a new player. Upon rereading you
do provide a reasonable amount of original information, and although you're probably using tells you shouldn't at this stage, you've got an outlook which likely guards against a lot of errors caused by those tells. (A complete lack of townreads, instead using an 'innocent until proven guilty' methodology. It's rather intriguing really.)
Town lean here.
Panda:She asked a lot of early questions which I approved of, and I mostly agree with her reads list, with some exceptions I'm holding down to a drunk error, something I'll address at the end, and, well - the mog read, which I acknowledge but disagree with, on the grounds that she's (most likely) basing mogs scum meta off a pm game. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)
Endless- It's always hard for me to completely trust Abe he is very sly with his words and intelligent about the game enough to pass himself off as a "town leader" when he really isn't a town member at all, he's helpfulness towards the newer players is nice but don't let him pull a cloth over your eyes, hold him to his
So guys, remember to hold me to my.
I'm assuming you missed a word there Panda.
Finally, Panda's Seroja read:
Seroja- I'm town reading her, her activity is strong and she seems to be scum hunting and willing to help the new players have a better understanding of the game.
Could you pinpoint me to Seroja scumhunting? In what I read of her she helped out a lot with newbies understanding things, but she hasn't really provided any real opinions on people or otherwise ground any content. I'd love to hear your justification for this read.
Important note here: I'm not saying your reads are necessarily bad or wrong - for all I know, you've had perfect reads so far this game. I just believe my reads are more likely to be correct. (As you believe yours are more likely to correct.)
Taesaek: Not really enough content to derive a read from yet. Lack of content perfectly reasonable. (He played like 8 hours of OW today. I kid you not.)
Wise:Really want to see some content here. Unlike some other people who find his one relevant post suspicious, I don't really think much of it at all. I just want to see more content. Who he thinks are mafia, who he thinks are town. Which things he wants to ask questions about. That sort of stuff.
Tasuot:I honestly feel pretty bad for the newer players who are struggling to keep up. No real content here - if you want to replace out, I'm sure we can find you a reasonable replacement.
Seroja: Mostly sound mechanical advice. Seemed to be reasonably busy. I'll give them some time to develop reads and grind content.
[bTom:[/b]This is what I'd say is probably the current strongest collective scumread for town, but I don't really think he's doing anything he wouldn't normally do. A lot of people misconstrued my comment that I would've voted Tom EoD if I'd been here to say that I also thought he was mafia. No. He's just an infinitely better lynch than the ****ing high priest. High priest is ****ing literally an
UNKILLABLE CLEAR in a cult game. Of course, you could ask how I knew Daniel wasn't lying - But, if you did, you'd be egregiously (really, really badly) stupid; It's not about whether he was telling the truth or not, it's about whether we can afford to lose that role or not. This is the equivalent of lynching the cop day 1 in a regular game of mafia. It sucks so, so much.
But anyway, back to Tom. If he's town then he'll start showing it a lot better day 2. If I get serial killer-killed or something stupid and random like that then don't let him get away with this sort of behaviour day 2.
Menchie:Are you managing to follow along with what's happening okay? If not, I'm sure we can get you a reasonable replacement.
(Has no content, clearly null.)
Iwaseleanor:I'd love to see some more content here. They have a
perfectly reasonable reads post, but it's one of some 3 or 4 posts she's posted in thread. Would love to hear the reasoning behind the silent Daniel vote.
Athena Cykes: I'm giving some benefit of doubt since you don't have that much mafia experience, but I'm curious as to how you haven't got any reads yet so far? There's an absolute depth of information scattered about this thread, as I'd like to think this post demonstrates pretty well.
Note: I doubt we'll see much of her in the next couple of days, I imagine she's glued to her DS screen playing AA6 right now.
Cpu:Anyone think the afk is anything even marginally alignment indicative needs to re-evaluate their reading methods. (I'm sorry that was mean, and I'm trying to be less mean, but for the reasons I'm about to provide that would've been a really god damn bad read.)
Not posting = pretending to not be there as a means to avoid having to provide content and still avoid suspicion.
Crys doesn't really try very hard as either alignment. Her content is either her insulting someone, her tunneling someone, or her ****posting. None of which really takes her any effort.
AKA pretending to not know the game had started would provide completely no advantage to her.
So obviously we're stuck back at "she's barely posted, we can't read her" stage.
Duck: ...what?
His posts are absolutely all over the place and half of them are nonsensical.
I
almost got very excited at one of his posts, but then he just caps it off by saying he doesn't think he's mafia? Then what was the point of that entire post? To prove that you're not the only person that is all over the place in the thread?
That being said, I don't think Duck's lack of checking things is an alignment tell, from what I can tell it's not even simply restricted to his playstyle - I'd say it's characteristic of his personality.
Entropy:I just can't get behind
this post considering how
Daniel put it in colour and everything. It just sits super off for me.
She also attempted to use
old and outdated meta which I originally wrote off (and might re-write off) for her just being lazy and wanting to continue using meta from when she went on hiatus, but could possibly be just a pretty awful fabrication. (Which is obviously a bad idea.)
Almost any other player exhibiting this behaviour and I'd probably flat out list them as red, but Entropy gives Tom a real run for his money on the title of 'best player that wants to apply absolutely no effort into the game', so I'm just providing a scumlean and really keeping my eyes open here.
mogyay:Before I ISO'd mogyay (For newer players, ISO means 'read in isolation', which you can do by clicking the link to their name in the OP.) I actually had her mentally positioned in town. But the timeline I'm looking at here is
super off.
Just take a gander at these posts, in chronological order:
hayden did this last game (making reads and not expanding) and i remember getting a weird vibe from it but he was town so i'm not really thinking much about it, i think he just wants a talking point
Position: Heyden as town. Reason for position: Bad, but understandable.
what do you mean by you try mixing it up and why can't you be ****ed doing that in this game?
- - - Post Merge - - -
i wish i had more to go off for hayden, i previously mentioned i wasn't bothered by his bizarre reads because he flipped town in the last game i played where he did this but chrys raises a good point, he does seem to have put more thought into it than his previous game. i know he said he was taking this game more seriously but that may have just been a front for being called out. last time he just threw out names with no explanation however he did end up expanding slightly when pressed so?
Position: Sus on heyden
Reason: Good (But first portion was there before her first post?)
hayden: i'm always a little unsure of you but past actions in games make me believe you're town and just wanting to start a discussion. after people yesterday when people were calling you out you've been laying pretty low. not sure what to make of that.
Position: Heyden as town.
Reason: ??? He's only gotten worse since her second post on him, where she states "..Chrys has a point.." on him acting sus, and asks him a question which he ignores.
I just can't and don't see the progression from second post to third post.
It's possible that I'm misreading the second post and the final portion is actually equivalent to "Chrys has a point but I disagree with her". But considering she was commenting on the possibility of him putting on a front for being called out, I don't think that's the case.
What this really looks like (at least to me) is that because she isn't town, she forgot her forged reads and defaulted to her last memory of a read on him, which was her original stance of protecting him. One of the really key differences between how a town player reads and how a mafia (or cult) player reads (in general) is that the mafia player is fabricating reads as they go, without any real root for them. It's therefore a lot easier for a mafia (or cult) player to forget a read they had, and contradict themselves with a weird progression. (Which is what I believe happened here.)
I don't really have an issue with any of her other reads except I'd like her to explain her townread on Amanda. (There
is one extremely logical/genuine reason for this read, and a whole bunch of reasons which would be nothing short of painfully awful. I'm interested to know where mog's reason falls.)
Heyden: Remember how I was initially leaning this guy based on his inconsistencies with his
RQS and
consecutive post? Well it gets worse. It's been roughly 48 hours with plenty of actual, perfectly good content in it. He's managed to accrue a sum total of
two reads in that time frame, despite
the fact that he has posted plenty.
What's so wrong with his reads? let's look at it:
I've been busy today but just gonna quickly note
Fleshy- I feel like he's genuine and whatever, shame Daniel was lynched because his unvote was late but we can't do anything now
Perfectly good point, but about as unoriginal as it gets.
Athena- I dunno, she's pretty null for me at the moment and I don't really know what motivated her to vote Daniel??
N/A since not a read
Eleanor- Probably has no clue what's going on so thats great
N/A since not a read
Considering that we've lost most likely one of the strongest blue roles, it's a shame. But let's be honest, Daniel was already under the spotlight so early on, and there was no way he was going to be culted because he would be such a vulnerable lynch target IMO.
Am I the only one who finds it weird how Tom's 'reflecting' the last game and no lynching when he was town?? It just seems like he's trying too hard to look town or maybe I'm just overthinking it..
What even. Last I checked, if you believe no lynch is a viable strategy as town, you believe a no lynch is a viable strategy as town. And therefore no lynching is something you would do as town.
And even if it wasn't, let's examine the non-existent scenario where he was doing it for another reason. Do you think he believed there was any chance at all that it would go through? Because I'm pretty darn positive he's not that incredibly mind-bendingly stupid. Him no lynching is just a signature of his firm belief that day 1 hasn't got any real content in it.
-note that Tom probably missed. No lynching is actually throwing in cult games. A cult is worth around 3 nightkills
(Blue is done by me)
The super important thing to note is that there is literally no original content in the post at all, he might as well have copy pasted the two most currently discussed reads into his post. This looks like a super clear example of what it looks like to attempt to appear to be scumhunting without actually scumhunting.
I'm open to the possibility that I might be wrong here, but I'd like Heyden to be a topic of discussion today. I'm not saying I'm perfect, there's plenty of chance I made a mistake in my case - and if a did I'd be thrilled for you to point it out, but as it is I don't believe I'm wrong here.
