Mafia Miraculous Ladybug Cultists [Congrats Cult!]

[Chrystina]

I didn't say then (it was late and i was rushing) but I was going to remove my vote from Daniel and put it on Tom, I was referring to the fact that I thought (at the time) lynching Tom was going to be a mistake (but probably not as big of a mistake as lynching Daniel). I believed Daniel's claim and removed my vote as quickly as I could (again sadly not quick enough, sorry). The Idea of just removing my vote (and leaving me not voting) didn't actually cross my mind at the time i made that post, it wasn't removing my vote from Daniel that I was hesitating on, it was who else to vote for (again i can see that i never made that clear at all), due it being so late and everything happening so quickly I was rushed and didn't make much sense

about the vote thing everyone keeps asking me about, i think that I thought fleshy unvoted for tom

how is culting me smart when everyone expects me to be culled lol?

ah okay. so i misunderstood both of your posts, my bad.



@entropy - yeah i'm kinda weighing both options for it being a smart thing to do, but it would also be a smart thing if they didn't, because they want us to all turn against you two. idk i'm back and forth on the idea. also back and forth with you and endless on who to trust more..

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To further comment on how I was "looking at them" they definitely are sus leans. I had this quick thought afterwards, that if Athena Cykes is indeed in a cult, then it makes complete sense that Tom is cult leader (hence both the claims of being driven/bussed). Also if this were true, it makes sense that Athena is barely posting. I looked into the game from their forum that Duck posted, and Athena oml - she posted A LOT. (I know this is completely contradicting what I said about town leaning her based on that game experience, but I was just going off of tone, not really activity).
You also pointed out in your read to Endless how we shouldn't ignore those two driven/bus claims, and I couldn't agree more.

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ebwop - I was town leaning Athena before Daniel flipped blue, to clear up any confusion. She's now a sus lean.

Another thought I had, to add onto what I put in bold. Tom cult leader, Athena cultist, Endless culted n0 - & Endless now trying to cover up both their claims as he saw it coming back to bite them later in the game?
I really don't know how Endless would play as mafia or in a cult, and if he would jeopardize himself by covering up a mistake that two of his team members made, it's very risky. But I've no reason to write this thought off, until he has a valid reasoning as to why he suggested we "ignore it".

 

[glow]

but if tom was CL why in the **** would he be bussed? i know he's not lying about that bc that seems pointless. why r people still considering tom again? what is the scum motivation for claiming bussed, and what's the scum motivation for bussing a town with cult (w the possibility of cop and other prs???) especially if u think he's CL lmfao

if u think tom is actually maf please explain

 

[toadsworthy]

ah okay. so i misunderstood both of your posts, my bad.



@entropy - yeah i'm kinda weighing both options for it being a smart thing to do, but it would also be a smart thing if they didn't, because they want us to all turn against you two. idk i'm back and forth on the idea. also back and forth with you and endless on who to trust more..

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Another thought I had, to add onto what I put in bold. Tom cult leader, Athena cultist, Endless culted n0 - & Endless now trying to cover up both their claims as he saw it coming back to bite them later in the game?
I really don't know how Endless would play as mafia or in a cult, and if he would jeopardize himself by covering up a mistake that two of his team members made, it's very risky. But I've no reason to write this thought off, until he has a valid reasoning as to why he suggested we "ignore it".

I too thought of Tom and Athena in something together pulling the bus claims.... but that is a bold and brazen thing to accuse them of with such little evidence (be prepared for backlash from Tom on this). And without CCs we may never know. We had a two shot granny(never played with that before). So I am airing to the side that Kat put some crazy roles in here and its not unheard of for there to be a bus driver. I think its way too soon to be drawing such specific claims as this, but I know thats what chrys does in games lol

 

[PandaDarling]

@Curry the fleshy thing I know doesn't make sense I misread what he had said, so I addressed him incorrectly, and the Wise thing is different I didn't vote Wise for inactivity, I voted him because of the behaviors I found weird which I stated which he still hasn't help clarify also the Seroja thing, I have to go back and put a post together for you guys, I'm on mobile rn, fml.

 

[toadsworthy]

but if tom was CL why in the **** would he be bussed? i know he's not lying about that bc that seems pointless. why r people still considering tom again? what is the scum motivation for claiming bussed, and what's the scum motivation for bussing a town with cult (w the possibility of cop and other prs???) especially if u think he's CL lmfao

if u think tom is actually maf please explain

I will probably back off Tom next day because when I was voting him, I didn't put the two and two together on bus claims. But the way he was acting and posting, I was more than happy to vote him over Daniel. I have other people i've been watching going into day 2

in case people haven't noticed, I like to push people when they seem to be going inactive or have an attitude to try to get them to shape up and not be so funky to read (not to mention attitude is just not fun to play with). Hence why I have been all over the place with Duck then Tom then Crys... its a pet peeve of mine to see players do that stuff and it makes it harder for all town to get a grasp on these types of players. So if I get overly emotional or travel from tunnel to tunnel, know that it is intentional (most of the time lol)

looking into day 2 though note I will have more serious and solid reads on people, which may look like I swapped viewpoints but its just summarizing initial interactions and reactions

 

[Chrystina]

but if tom was CL why in the **** would he be bussed? i know he's not lying about that bc that seems pointless. why r people still considering tom again? what is the scum motivation for claiming bussed, and what's the scum motivation for bussing a town with cult (w the possibility of cop and other prs???) especially if u think he's CL lmfao

if u think tom is actually maf please explain

My theory is a huge stretch, yeah I know. (like toads said I tend to do that..) but logically speaking, why would a bus driver chose two random targets, especially Athena, when she hadn't even posted yet (iirc) ? Idk I'm not too familiar with the role (I've only seen it be used as mafia-aligned) so it's still something I'd need to read up on more, tbh.

As for my suspicion on Tom, it's not strong. Like I said it was mainly just the "lynch me you wont", and "vote: no lynch" going back and forth on the idea, and when Panda asked him about it, he basically admitted to not providing any scum/sus reads (or any reads at all).

Would you have preferred I just threw my vote on someone I didn't mention or voted Toad so it comes off as omgus?

so mention who you would've voted for now. like what stands out to you the most?

And... nothing.


Like others have said, I'm willing to see how he plays on day 2 and if it'll be any effort on his part. It's a weak sus lean. I'm not gonna go voting for him the second d2 starts and the voting thread opens up lmao.

 

[glow]

@Curry the fleshy thing I know doesn't make sense I misread what he had said, so I addressed him incorrectly, and the Wise thing is different I didn't vote Wise for inactivity, I voted him because of the behaviors I found weird which I stated which he still hasn't help clarify also the Seroja thing, I have to go back and put a post together for you guys, I'm on mobile rn, fml.

are you CL or is it endless?

 

[PandaDarling]

are you CL or is it endless?

Honestly Entropy I'm not CL, I don't know what Endless is, and my main suspect is Tom as cult.... Real question tho, are you hostile third party ?

 

[Chrystina]

Honestly Entropy I'm not CL, I don't know what Endless is, and my main suspect is Tom as cult.... Real question tho, are you hostile third party ?

Then why didn't you vote for Tom? I know why you voted for Wise, but what realllllly bothers me is it would've taken two more votes on Tom to save Daniel (sorry Tom, I'm not trying to be a *****).
yet you voted for Wise, who you brought up very lightly, but was more focused on Tom. If voting for your main suspect would've saved the strongest blue role in the game, I'm leaning more towards the possibility you didn't vote for him because you didn't want Daniel to live.

 

[PandaDarling]

Then why didn't you vote for Tom? I know why you voted for Wise, but what realllllly bothers me is it would've taken two more votes on Tom to save Daniel (sorry Tom, I'm not trying to be a *****).
yet you voted for Wise, who you brought up very lightly, but was more focused on Tom. If voting for your main suspect would've saved the strongest blue role in the game, I'm leaning more towards the possibility you didn't vote for him because you didn't want Daniel to live.

Well I let up on him when he said he was joking and then when D1 ended and I realized he wasn't joking about the No Lynch I was like ok no, he lied and that with his lack of effort makes me sus of him.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

You're acting like it can't be faked and used as a ruse. If the cult starts off with two or even three they could easily forge bus claims. I'm concerned about why Tom would knowingly conceal information from us if he is in fact town. Mafia is a game of information, and when something like this appears, we should at least address it and when it's causing confusion among the town should we just say "eh, don't worry about it," and let the confusion continue? I don't see why we can't analyze a bus claim even if it is likely true and the bus driver is almost assuredly town (cult and PRs would be broken). As sarcastic as Tom may want to be about it, forging bus claims isn't hard, it happened last game I played.

I mean as far as I was concerned, unless I had reason to reveal that we've got a Bus Driver among us, I was going to keep it secret because I feel like cult would try and find them since they are a hazard. After all if the Driver lucks out and busses a conversion immune plus the intended target, then the action is nulled.

To further comment on how I was "looking at them" they definitely are sus leans. I had this quick thought afterwards, that if Athena Cykes is indeed in a cult, then it makes complete sense that Tom is cult leader (hence both the claims of being driven/bussed).

I mean as much as I like crazy and chaotic plans, I don't like getting others involved into my crazy schemes. That's a bit much and that would require many many many people involved all pretending to be bussed.

My theory is a huge stretch, yeah I know. (like toads said I tend to do that..) but logically speaking, why would a bus driver chose two random targets, especially Athena, when she hadn't even posted yet (iirc) ? Idk I'm not too familiar with the role (I've only seen it be used as mafia-aligned) so it's still something I'd need to read up on more, tbh.

I mean why wouldn't the bus driver pick people at random? To not use your action at all is a waste, so it's better to pick targets at random then critically overthink it.

Anyways I will be re-reading the thread and attempting to provide reads on some players

 

[PandaDarling]

He wasn't my main suspect at the time, I gave him the benefit of the doubt until D1 was over and done with, and I saw that he really doesn't have town last best interest at hand.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

so mention who you would've voted for now. like what stands out to you the most?

Oh yeah, still no definite answer to this but to be honest if I absolutely had to vote someone I probably would have sheeped Entropy on Panda. Entropy's obviously pretty good and she tends to have people pegged, so I would honestly feel safe about that.

He wasn't my main suspect at the time, I gave him the benefit of the doubt until D1 was over and done with, and I saw that he really doesn't have town last best interest at hand.

I'm still not following the logic that no lynches are even worse in cult games? Chances of us nailing town is still incredibly high, unless cop got a cult return then we're just lowering our numbers even more for cult. I'm cynical about D1 lynches as you all know, kinda getting tired of lowering our numbers just because we think it's bad.

 

[glow]

Honestly Entropy I'm not CL, I don't know what Endless is, and my main suspect is Tom as cult.... Real question tho, are you hostile third party ?

okay then please answer these questions:

if tom was CL why in the **** would he be bussed? what is the scum motivation for claiming bussed, and what's the scum motivation for bussing a town with cult (w the possibility of cop and other prs???) what would the benefit be of bussing a cult member with a town member?

lol wait why would u accuse me of being 3rd party specifically? thats a pretty interesting thing to say, what makes u think i'm third party over being cult? anyway i'm town

so you have no read on endless?

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lets all do the list thing heres mine:

Playerlist:
1) Heyden
2) Endless (AKA Abe)
3) Mogyay (AKA Mog)
4) Tom
5) Athena Cykes (AKA Meloetta)
6) Duck (AKA Pokequeen, Queenie)
8) Toadsworthy (AKA Toads)
9) Chrystina (AKA Chrys, Alexi)
10) entropy (AKA M3ow)
11) cpu (AKA Crys)
12) Curry (AKA ClamEatsCurry) (*i am so bad @ reading curry early in the game)
13) PandaDarling (AKA Panda)
14) taesaek (AKA Tae)
15) Fleshy
16) Seroja
17) Iwaseleanor
18) Menchie
19) amanda1983
20) Wisemimir (AKA Wise, Godot)
21) Tasuot

those that are gray really need to start posting

obvi there's several incorrect reads in there but i don't know which yet. i don't even like doing these lists personally, but it does help me read others and they're really useful for later

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aw i meant to put (*hostile third party) next 2 me, then forgot xd

 

[PandaDarling]

okay then please answer these questions:

if tom was CL why in the **** would he be bussed? what is the scum motivation for claiming bussed, and what's the scum motivation for bussing a town with cult (w the possibility of cop and other prs???) what would the benefit be of bussing a cult member with a town member?

lol wait why would u accuse me of being 3rd party specifically? thats a pretty interesting thing to say, what makes u think i'm third party over being cult? anyway i'm town

so you have no read on endless?

what do you mean why would he be bussed (driven) ? isn't Bus Driver separate from mafia/cult ? i thought Bus Driver was town aligned or Third Party maybe, so Tom being cult wouldn't have any control of who gets bussed (driven), The Bus Driver probably just picked two random people.... and him coming forward with the information makes him seem town, makes it seem like he's being helpful and fourth coming with information.

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you didn't ask me my reads you asked if i knew if he was CL ? don't flip things around and try to make it seem like i avoided your question cause i didn't, i made reasons on everyone (as you read) so if you forgot go back and re-read it. also i feel like you are genuinely scum hunting so i don't think you're cult (yet) but there is something off about you that makes me think third party.

 

[toadsworthy]

@entropy how in the world do you have Wise as a town lean? the only thing they did was put a random vote on me....

 

[PandaDarling]

@entropy how in the world do you have Wise as a town lean? the only thing they did was put a random vote on me....

and avoided answering the RQS iirc, which isn't a huge deal but all these little things started adding up and the lack of wanting to come back and explain themselves was a red flag.

 

[toadsworthy]

lets all do the list thing heres mine:

Playerlist:
1) Heyden
2) Endless (AKA Abe)
3) Mogyay (AKA Mog)
4) Tom
5) Athena Cykes (AKA Meloetta)
6) Duck (AKA Pokequeen, Queenie)
8) Toadsworthy (AKA Toads)
9) Chrystina (AKA Chrys, Alexi)
10) entropy (AKA M3ow)
11) cpu (AKA Crys)
12) Curry (AKA ClamEatsCurry) (*i am so bad @ reading curry early in the game)
13) PandaDarling (AKA Panda)
14) taesaek (AKA Tae)
15) Fleshy
16) Seroja
17) Iwaseleanor
18) Menchie
19) amanda1983
20) Wisemimir (AKA Wise, Godot)
21) Tasuot

Entropy's obviously pretty good and she tends to have people pegged, so I would honestly feel safe about that.

she put herself as scum, Wise as town lean? and you think she's the chosen one? I thought we said we should stop meming around and take this seriously guys

 

[PandaDarling]

okay then please answer these questions:

if tom was CL why in the **** would he be bussed? what is the scum motivation for claiming bussed, and what's the scum motivation for bussing a town with cult (w the possibility of cop and other prs???) what would the benefit be of bussing a cult member with a town member?

lol wait why would u accuse me of being 3rd party specifically? thats a pretty interesting thing to say, what makes u think i'm third party over being cult? anyway i'm town

so you have no read on endless?

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lets all do the list thing heres mine:

Playerlist:
1) Heyden
2) Endless (AKA Abe)
3) Mogyay (AKA Mog)
4) Tom
5) Athena Cykes (AKA Meloetta)
6) Duck (AKA Pokequeen, Queenie)
8) Toadsworthy (AKA Toads)
9) Chrystina (AKA Chrys, Alexi)
10) entropy (AKA M3ow)
11) cpu (AKA Crys)
12) Curry (AKA ClamEatsCurry) (*i am so bad @ reading curry early in the game)
13) PandaDarling (AKA Panda)
14) taesaek (AKA Tae)
15) Fleshy
16) Seroja
17) Iwaseleanor
18) Menchie
19) amanda1983
20) Wisemimir (AKA Wise, Godot)
21) Tasuot

those that are gray really need to start posting

obvi there's several incorrect reads in there but i don't know which yet. i don't even like doing these lists personally, but it does help me read others and they're really useful for later

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aw i meant to put (*hostile third party) next 2 me, then forgot xd

Freudian slip Entropy ? ha XD

 

[glow]

she put herself as scum, Wise as town lean? and you think she's the chosen one? I thought we said we should stop meming around and take this seriously guys

because i think panda is cult preying on an inactive