Mafia Mountainous by Demand (ENDGAME- AND THE FINAL MAFIA IS...)

[radical6]

I don't really understand why waffles out of everyone to pivot the lynch to. It just seemed like..a random choice tbh

But anyway, I could see a scum buddy bussing Daniel. Daniel was unlucky to have people right on his toes and having a lack of time to play - so throwing him under the bus isn't a bad idea. However I do think a scum buddy would only jump on the chance once it seemed like Daniel was set to be lynched.

If I was scum, I would've avoided attaching myself to Daniel. Maybe not even vote for him at all. (Ironic since thats what I did. Read him wrong because I found it hard to believe a scum person would be so..defeated when people usually love being mafia).

But I would expect someone who is scum to be by his side and at least giving him pointers on what to say. He seemed to be alone and perhaps his partner was someone who was not very active. (Also ironic since I was gone for half of day 1 lmao) Last game, Jacob and I would write each other's posts or give pointers on what to say. Daniel had very little. If I was scum I would've pitched in to try and save him. Have him copypaste something.

Waffles, Antonio and I were the least active imo on day 1. I know I'm not scum. If Waffles was his buddy that would be funny if both mafia were on the chopping block. Antonio was gone I assume due to Dorian. I suspect Antonio more (going by this scenario I put above) because of his sudden effort post on Daniel. If you were gone and saw your buddy on the chopping block, I could see him hastily putting a post together to bus him. I just found it odd he found the time to write the post but put little thoughts on everyone else. It would be more believable if he had just written a small post based on feels. It just felt so forced to spit something out about Daniel.

He could have expanded on Toads too but backed down for whatever reason.

k back to hw

 

[N e s s]

I find the situation with Antonio to be a bit of an anomaly. I don't think I've ever seen him put so much effort into a single post ever since he started playing. I kinda want to put him in the townie box.

Toad seems a little too obvious as the last mafia for some reason. Theres a part of me that feels like Toadsworthy wouldn't really put himself out there like that, it seems a bit too risky of a move for mafia to make.

This last one feels well hidden imo.

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Same thing kind of applies to heyden as well. Him agreeing with Daniel over his "reaction test" against toads (another reason Toads feels too convenient) isn't something I think I'd expect a team mate to do no matter what.

Maybe Waffles should be looked into?

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So wait, do we know how many Mafia members there are? I know it was changed but I don't know what the amount of Mafia members are for this particular setup?

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mountainous

It says 2. Not sure why I didn't Google it.

Would Antonio be the type to try and townslip himself like this

 

[Geoni]

Dunno why considering I was the first person to push dan but whatever. Assuming you are town, would me having the exact same mindset as you against Dan not constitute as a town orientated mindset?

You?re free to make a text wall on me whenever bucky, but really I just don?t care.

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I will say that I think you should, as I?ve said, hold thy tongue until the last hour of night so kills are not manipulated by what?s being said

I doublechecked and you did, yeah. I know I called him out pretty early too but you were the first so that does give a little credence. Not sure why you are talking about 'I don't want kills to be manipulated so I won't say this or that.'

Part of me wants to just say **** it and go all out at night just because TBT leaves it open at night usually, but it really should be closed thread.

 

[N e s s]

@Geoni Tbh it probably isn’t that big of a deal in hindsight but my line of thinking is that talking right now is a bad idea since we have no doctor to sway the kill.

 

[Geoni]

I don't really understand why waffles out of everyone to pivot the lynch to. It just seemed like..a random choice tbh

But anyway, I could see a scum buddy bussing Daniel. Daniel was unlucky to have people right on his toes and having a lack of time to play - so throwing him under the bus isn't a bad idea. However I do think a scum buddy would only jump on the chance once it seemed like Daniel was set to be lynched.

If I was scum, I would've avoided attaching myself to Daniel. Maybe not even vote for him at all. (Ironic since thats what I did. Read him wrong because I found it hard to believe a scum person would be so..defeated when people usually love being mafia).

But I would expect someone who is scum to be by his side and at least giving him pointers on what to say. He seemed to be alone and perhaps his partner was someone who was not very active. (Also ironic since I was gone for half of day 1 lmao) Last game, Jacob and I would write each other's posts or give pointers on what to say. Daniel had very little. If I was scum I would've pitched in to try and save him. Have him copypaste something.

Waffles, Antonio and I were the least active imo on day 1. I know I'm not scum. If Waffles was his buddy that would be funny if both mafia were on the chopping block. Antonio was gone I assume due to Dorian. I suspect Antonio more (going by this scenario I put above) because of his sudden effort post on Daniel. If you were gone and saw your buddy on the chopping block, I could see him hastily putting a post together to bus him. I just found it odd he found the time to write the post but put little thoughts on everyone else. It would be more believable if he had just written a small post based on feels. It just felt so forced to spit something out about Daniel.

He could have expanded on Toads too but backed down for whatever reason.

k back to hw

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I find the situation with Antonio to be a bit of an anomaly. I don't think I've ever seen him put so much effort into a single post ever since he started playing. I kinda want to put him in the townie box.

Toad seems a little too obvious as the last mafia for some reason. Theres a part of me that feels like Toadsworthy wouldn't really put himself out there like that, it seems a bit too risky of a move for mafia to make.

This last one feels well hidden imo.

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Same thing kind of applies to heyden as well. Him agreeing with Daniel over his "reaction test" against toads (another reason Toads feels too convenient) isn't something I think I'd expect a team mate to do no matter what.

Maybe Waffles should be looked into?

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Would Antonio be the type to try and townslip himself like this

It's just a townslip. Not exactly looking at Waffles at this very moment but even the wagon shouldn't be ignored, that much I know, so go ahead. I probably will ISO her at some point.

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I'm tempted to go full galaxy-brain and suspect Toads but that's not where I am even willing to be. I wish he'd say more than 'rip me' just because this makes him look good though.

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Honestly when you have to tackle day 2 and you can afford a mislynch, it's okay not to catch a deep wolf if they're in deep here because that behavior eventually comes to surface. The most valuable spew we're going to get for the entire game just happened and unfortunately he didn't say much, but I'll look back again rq.

 

[Geoni]

Looks like i didn?t miss much. The interaction between geoni and antonio doesn?t come off as alignment telling at all honestly. geoni asking a question unrelated to the game should be seen as trying to distract everyone, but there?s little conversation to distract from in the first place, so it?s neutral for me as of now

I haven?t played with ness in like years but he does seem to be trying a little too hard, but that could be from exciting but playing again

toadsworthy does seem pretty suspicious at the moment though

Shades Ness and I here, and Toads on a more straightforward level. The reason why objectively this is solid townspew for Toads is because at the time, there had been some traction on suspecting Toads and this is something that comes off as opportunistic on his part now that we know he was wolfing.

The line about Ness makes Ness look a little good here but I think it could be distancing. Early distancing is often hedgey in nature when they're partners.

He mentions Antonio but doesn't really shade him here, instead only me, which is why I'm going to not consider that townspew for Antonio and I'm just going to have to evaluate Antonio on an overall level. The townslip moment Ness pointed out I'm thinking looks good but I'm undecided about it.

Who looks town from this post:

For sure: Toads

Kinda but not necessarily: Ness

NAI: Antonio, although him preferring to find me scummy out of the conversation and not him is just a small moment I'll archive in the back of my mind.

Okay i was hoping to get a react from toadsworthy, didn?t work i guess. but what is interesting is Ness?s reaction. Being skeptical of my post and tracking my activity seems more town based on the history of this behavior.

Geoni, what?re your thoughts on this game?

Progresses onto a Ness townread here. This is either TMI on Dan's part and Ness is actually just town or the he just posted this to close that distance because they were partners.

honestly I don?t really have the drive/time to play this game since the semester started for me this week. I?ve asked for a replacement but will continue playing if bianca can?t find one. Yea ik my gameplay is weak rn but I don?t have much effort to give atm besides random reaction testing and questioning

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i thought that heyden was just following me in reaction testing to get more out of toads. it?s pretty null for me since he hasn?t said much since

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i think kallie is from the southwest

Nullread on Heyden is making me ask myself a lot of questions. When did he show evidence of thinking Heyden was just following him in the reaction testing? And why was that null? I kinda wish I had asked Dan this when he was still alive but he didn't really post much after this so who knows if I'd gather any more info about it. I'm perplexed at this moment as to whether it spews Heyden as town or wolf and will have to think on it a little more. Maybe see how he reads other partners in past games.

radical (kallie) comment is probably just NAI but I'm lowkey wanting to consider it mild townspew for her, like he wanted to look like he was clarifying something to protect a townie because we now know he would know who was town.

Out of this ISO these folks feel like townies to me: Toads, myself, and radical.

Unsure on: Ness and Heyden

NAI in terms of spew: Antonio

Never mentioned: Dedenne and Waffles

Dedenne going after Dan from early on looks pretty decent. I could say the same thing about her that I'm saying about Ness, but her behavior outside of Dan is pretty towny overall.

So the people I'd say shouldn't be lynched at all D2 are Toads, Dedenne, and of course myself. And I'd be very hesitant to lynch radical. Mildly hesitant in regards to Waffles.

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Oh and if you're confused as to why I used that Fry image on you radical, it's because of the 'if I were scum' statements.

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@Geoni Tbh it probably isn’t that big of a deal in hindsight but my line of thinking is that talking right now is a bad idea since we have no doctor to sway the kill.

We'll probably both live because they think I'm in a tunnel.

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3 worlds to work with on D2, that being said, is still Heyden (varying things), Ness (hardbuss solo theory), and Antonio (the world being that he was a lazy bus).

 

[toadsworthy]

Oh ok you realize I’d never act like that if Daniel was my scummate good. What do you want to know

 

[Geoni]

What do you want to know

If I'm on the right track or being bamboozled. Such is the nature of this game.

 

[Heyden]

I don’t know why you’re townreading radical, she hasn’t done anything useful for town besides avoiding the overall vote between the main people and voting me, but that’s not really scum indicative. Antonio parked his vote and never moved off it, but I’m not really familiar whether he would do that, same with Dedenne.
Geoni/Ness both feel town, more the former.
Waffles/Toads is where I’m looking at rn, but I’m a bit iffy on Toads right now.

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Also not to propagate myself but I’m not that inadept at mafia to blindly sheep my scummates baseless accusation, I’d hope.

 

[Geoni]

I don’t know why you’re townreading radical, she hasn’t done anything useful for town besides avoiding the overall vote between the main people and voting me, but that’s not really scum indicative. Antonio parked his vote and never moved off it, but I’m not really familiar whether he would do that, same with Dedenne.
Geoni/Ness both feel town, more the former.
Waffles/Toads is where I’m looking at rn, but I’m a bit iffy on Toads right now.

If it's not really scum indicative then why are you bringing it up when questioning why I'm townreading her?

...lol

Also why are you iffy on Toads? Are you about to kill him and feel the need to express a spicy read so you seem like you were uncertain about him?

 

[Heyden]

If it's not really scum indicative then why are you bringing it up when questioning why I'm townreading her?

...lol

Also why are you iffy on Toads? Are you about to kill him and feel the need to express a spicy read so you seem like you were uncertain about him?

Well usually it would be for newer people like Dedenne or Antonio but I’d expect her to know to not isolate her vote as someone whos played a lot more games.

Iffy on Toads because his reaction to Daniel’s death seemed genuine IMO.

 

[radical6]

I'm going with my thoughts on Antonio for my world version imo. Busy Daniel + absent scumbuddy. Because daniel put up like.. 0 fight. And I would hope whoever his buddy is would have tried to put some effort behind the scenes to save him and not leave him to die from the beginning.

I understand bussing maybe on day 2 or something, just bussing right away on d1 seems risky.

 

[N e s s]

I’m willing to bet a very pretty penny that Heyden is town actually. Him being scum doesn’t add up- who would be dumb enough to sheep a suspicion (of their scum partner for that matter) that is sus af and had absolutely no reasoning.

In an ideal world Heyden would be dumb scum, I just think he was being dumb town at that moment.

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I dunno. I know I’m town, I don’t think that the Heyden scum world is the one, Antonio kinda has a base but I can’t tell if he’s just being sneaky or genuinely townslipped.

I think there’s something we’re not really seeing right now, and it isn’t particularly obvious at this moment in time.

 

[Geoni]

Iffy on Toads because his reaction to Daniel’s death seemed genuine IMO.

How so?

 

[radical6]

Am I missing something? When did Heyden ever sus Daniel?

 

[Geoni]

It's either dumb or very very clever WIFOM.

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Am I missing something? When did Heyden ever sus Daniel?

Didn't ever sus Dan iirc.

 

[N e s s]

It's either dumb or very very clever WIFOM.

If we use Occam’s Razor then whichever requires the least amount of thought is usually the correct one.

 

[Geoni]

Also radical, bussing on D1 isn't risky if you're someone who has been vying for control of the thread and setting himself up to solo the game if you know who I'm talking about.

 

[radical6]

I am so lost rn. Did ness mean someone else? How does he towneead heyden with that point if heyden never sussed daniel and townread him?

 

[N e s s]

Also radical, bussing on D1 isn't risky if you're someone who has been vying for control of the thread and setting himself up to solo the game if you know who I'm talking about.

You?

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I am so lost rn. Did ness mean someone else? How does he towneead heyden with that point if heyden never sussed daniel and townread him?

You’re misinterpreting my post.