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Pocket Camp to be Shut Down in Belgium Due to Loot Box Laws

You go get leaf tickets in game daily, so the game may stay. Also, loot boxes for a game like this isn't that bad tbh, literally like collecting mini collectibles, no real advantage.
 
You go get leaf tickets in game daily, so the game may stay. Also, loot boxes for a game like this isn't that bad tbh, literally like collecting mini collectibles, no real advantage.

In theory yes. To you or me loot boxes don't matter, they just add extra stuff to collect if you're so inclined. The problem is, the game is predominantly directed at children who have no self control or concept of what loot boxes really are. Loot boxes are technically a form of gambling and children are particularly susceptible to gambling addiction when it's a main component of their favourite games.

It really doesn't matter how old you are, loot boxes are predatory. If you take a look in some of these threads you will see what I mean. People are hooked on these things. It's up to Nintendo and/or the government(s) to put a cap on loot boxes or ban them entirely. There really is no place for micro-transactions in an Animal Crossing game. :(
 
agh, its terrible that its getting shut down. :(
ive always hated lootbox mechanics and i really do hope the whole craze dies out soon. its even been infiltrating kids toys nowadays... but just shutting down the game is definitely a weird "fix". i do think there will be a workaround though with VPNs. ive had to use a few before and the free ones are pretty decent for mobile games!
 
I mean they could put advertisements or something right? I dunno... Or maybe just remove the fortune cookies? Because the Leaf Tickets aren't necessarily the problem.

Oh well, the decision has already been made they won't budge

I doubt they'd have advertisements, but yeah, I don't see why they couldn't just keep the leaf tickets. I don't think anyone still plays solely for the fortune cookies anyways lol
 
I only recently started Pocket Camp, tbh i was looking for something to do while waiting for the new animal crossing. I do really enjoy it. This is my first game with the micro transactions thing, and I agree with those who don't like it. It could be horribly addicting. Who can afford to keep that up? I wouldn't be so bad if you could be certain what you are getting for your money.
 
I only recently started Pocket Camp, tbh i was looking for something to do while waiting for the new animal crossing. I do really enjoy it. This is my first game with the micro transactions thing, and I agree with those who don't like it. It could be horribly addicting. Who can afford to keep that up? I wouldn't be so bad if you could be certain what you are getting for your money.
I enjoy it too. I think the game is very well made. The microtransactions didn’t bother me until recently when I realized how much it was stressing me out trying to keep up with it.
 
A lot of loot boxes across any game is getting flack and being dealt with because a) there is only a chance at a certain item and you spend real money on that chance, so akin to gambling and b) the items you can get from loot boxes give players who get loot boxes a significant advantage over players who don't. I've seen some argue that fortune cookies don't meet either of these requirements, but I certainly think it does.

For a - It's a chance, we know that. I'm pretty sure you can even check the chances for items, as least from the Timmy/Tommy regular cookies. But it's a chance. And the fancy cookies you buy with Leaf Tickets. And you certainly do earn a lot of leaf tickets just by going and playing the game normally. I've only had it installed like a week and I'm +600, not including what I spent on the golden rod for the current fishing tourney. So you could easily get by with some cookies without spending anything real. But if you run out and want more, you can buy leaf tickets with real money. It's never required but you can. And as this game has a young audience as well, even the option of 'buy more!' can be a bad idea. Speaking from experience, a little 12 year old girl with a small job that pays decently enough can get addicted to spending money on phone games even when the outcome of such spending is a given, never mind when you aren't guaranteed to get what you wanted. So yeah, gambling.

For b - On the surface level, it's mostly just cosmetics. Yeah, I know. Fancy furniture and fancy clothes. You could argue that the fact that getting some of this furniture being a requirement to unlock memories is a certain benefit, sure, but I'm more concerned about the Happy Homeroom. Happy Homeroom offers some sort of dust or something, comes in a red bag, you earn one for the first time you pass a class. This stuff, from what I've seen, is needed along with reissue material for reissued crafting. But you only earn 1 per first time class pass, and the game only has a limited number of non-event classes. This means that, if you want more than just what you can get from that (and bear in mind you need to pass the previous class to unlock the next one so it can actually be difficult to obtain) you need to do event classes. And yes, you can do the event classes that come from the free events, the tourney, gyrodite, etc, but even hen there are more cookie classes and such, and the cookie classes last a long time, even after the cookie is no longer on sale, which is unlike event-event classes which disappear as soon as the event is over. People who buy cookies get more HH dust, and people who get more HH dust get to craft more reissue stuff. Sure, it's not like these fortune cookies offer a '20% extra chance of finding rarer bugs/fish' or something but it's Pocket Camp. Yeah, the cookies only offer cosmetic bonuses to those who buy them, but Pocket Camp is like 95% about cosmetics anyway, hence I would say they meet part b also.

So all in all, I would 100% say fortune cookies are equivalent to loot boxes in Fortnite or whatever game has them. I hope more conturies hurry up and step up on loot box laws, because unfortunately just Belguim isn't enough. Nintendo will produce no money from the game if it ends up going down in somewhere like the USA, and then they'll have no real choice but to amend fortune cookies so they are no longer loot boxes, but still earn money. My own personal idea would be to have each cookies contain a fully stamped card, but each cookie has its own card now. Buying the five pack will contain an extra stamped card. Then you can exchange these cards for the furniture, using matching cards costs less (so the special item costs 5 cards if using cards from the same cookie, but 10 is using other cards). The old stamp feature, including an extra stamp for the five pack will remain in place.

I feel like I've typed more here than I have ever done for a college project but okay. Yeah that's just my two cents on what I think the problem is with fortune cookies.
 
^Well written.

And yeah as I said before probably, here it's basically only cosmetics and yeah woop you got a 5 star you get a dumb memory scene for it (and a nice item, but then again cosmetics hurr hurr. I don't think FEH is any better because then you NEED the characters to get and it's even worse. So yeah I hope they stop this kind of bull**** and either remake it completely or just delete it. So glad I stopped playing both.

And I love how ironic ninty themselves are with that they don't really want it but "lol money lets strain our devs as far as we can and make them piss off"... yeah how about you handle the game 100% yourself maybe??
 
Fortnite doesn't actually have lootboxes anymore. The problem with Fortnite is that it's way too easy for kids to grab their mums credit card and start buying unlimited V-bucks to purchase all the pickaxe skins, gliders, emotes and player skins in the store. There are so many of them available (think there are different ones for sale each day), it is kind of worse than lootboxes in that way. Kids just want them all and don't see how much money they're wasting through it. They have no sense of what value means especially when the currency you're using is premium fictional currency and thus does not directly reflect the amount of money you're spending.

Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp also has this problem with the Leaf Ticket exclusive stuff but there definitely isn't as much of an incentive to buy all of that comparatively.
 
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Why don't they just disable purchases through the app stores? Taking away games seems kinda backwards.
 
Oh huh, PC got shut down in Belgium too? I only heard about it for FEH but I guess it kinda makes sense Pocket Camp is as well...
 
What do they mean by loot boxes? The only loot boxes I know is a box that has loot in it and you can put stuff in the box or take stuff out
 
What do they mean by loot boxes? The only loot boxes I know is a box that has loot in it and you can put stuff in the box or take stuff out

I believe they're referring to the fortune cookies in Pocket Camp.
 
What do they mean by loot boxes? The only loot boxes I know is a box that has loot in it and you can put stuff in the box or take stuff out

Fortune Cookies. "Loot Boxes" are considered any kind of item that give you an item at a randomized chance. You don't know what you get until you open it. It's just like "Gacha", but instead of a slot machine of some kind, it's in item form.
 
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