Pokémon Pokemon Sun and Moon General Discussion

Ok, I admit my last point was a bit stupid. Here's the thing though. Nebby was around for only the first two kahuna battles, and was watching you fight the final boss from a distance. You weren't even fighting the final boss themselves, but rather their Pok?mon; and in the end Nebby was the one that protected you from her. Given how weak of a creature it was when it was Cosmog, it probably didn't even have any concept of what was going on when it did see you fight. The only thing that Nebby knows at that point is that he was stronger than the final boss, and that you were strong enough to fight the Pok?mon of the final boss but not the final boss itself. If you want a reason for why it wanted you to fight them before it joined your party, then that is your reason.

Also, the way it was set up really isn't like "omg Nebby loves you quick catch him" where it is Lillie forcing you to battle Nebby for no reason. Lillie wasn't a real trainer, so she wouldn't be able to give Nebby the fierce battles that it wanted (how she described it). You fight Nebby because it wanted to fight you. The RotomDex itself even tells you right before you battle Nebby to "do your best so you can be found worthy as a trainer"; backing up my point that Nebby wanted to see how strong you were before it joined you. The way it is set up is that Nebby wants you to prove your worth as a trainer by battling it, Lillie is only telling you to fight him because she understands how Nebby feels and she knows herself that Nebby wanted to fight you.

Care to test that theory? Last I checked it took me a good hour of work grinding levels in the Poni Gauntlet in order to get it to the level I needed to evolve it into the cover legendary; I'm not sure how you consider that less working than catching a legendary with a base catch rate of 45 and a 27% chance of catching when it is left at just one HP alone in a standard Pok?Ball. According to Serebii.net, this has been the case with mascot legendaries since BW as well. It's not exciting work but it is work nonetheless.

Let us not forget that without sites like Serebii.net to tell you where to go, you'd pretty much be completely clueless as to where to go to get the free Cosmog or that it is even an obtainable Pok?mon to begin with (since the Pok?Dex doesn't list them on the same screen as Solgaleo and Lunala). Chances are, you probably don't even know that an alternate world exists either unless you accidentally stumble across it during the 12 hour window when it is open. So finding Cosmog on your own is also part of the effort in getting a useful legendary, and not just grinding levels to evolve it. If you are so worried about legendaries taking effort to find or obtain, then you wouldn't even be using guides to help you find them in the first place.

My main point in all of this was that Nebby knows who you are and that is why he shouldn't be fought like every other cover legendary. Since the beginning it's always been that you have to fight a wild Pokemon to weaken it and capture it, but sometimes if you bond with a wild Pokemon it might just join you without having to fight; it'll just jump inside a Pokeball and become your partner. I'm referencing the anime in this instance so it's obviously not a part of the game, but you get the idea. Nebby does want to fight you and all that, but I was saying that I don't understand why it didn't just join you seeing as you've already bonded and he liked you. Not sure why this turned into an argument.

I'm not really sure how you level your party, but it only took me about three battles for the first evolution and about five for the final along with a Rare Candy or two. I'm not sure how fighting a legendary compares to simple levelling but it's obvious fighting a legendary is more work. Low catch rate means you could spend hours fighting and chucking balls even at 1 HP and asleep. Not to mention how an Ultra Ball nearly captures the first time then doesn't even shake once the other times. Plus you have to spend all kinds of money for potions and balls just for the fight meaning if you don't have money you have to go earn some. When I hatched my other two starters it literally took me five minutes to level them to their final evo.

Oh, so Cosmog went from a being "worse than Magikarp" to something incredible you actually have to work for? AKA what I said all along? I'm sure you'd find it eventually anyway seeing as back in the day there weren't sites to tell you where to go, you simply heard about it from your friend who also played the game. How do you think people found out about it anyway? They probably waited around unturning every stone until they found the event. Nowadays you can't so much as go online without hearing every secret about every game.
 
i don't know about you guys
but i found a shiny bounsweet
and now Tsareena is my favorite gen 7 poke hands down
 
I'm so upset right now... I was training my Pokemon at the Poni Gauntlet, and I had encountered a shiny Granbull! But the WORST. POSSIBLE. SCENARIO happened! It used Roar and ran away!!! ;-;

I FEEL YOUR PAIN ;_; I once ran into a shiny whismur in Sapphire and it used roar on the first turn :')
 
My main point in all of this was that Nebby knows who you are and that is why he shouldn't be fought like every other cover legendary. Since the beginning it's always been that you have to fight a wild Pokemon to weaken it and capture it, but sometimes if you bond with a wild Pokemon it might just join you without having to fight; it'll just jump inside a Pokeball and become your partner. I'm referencing the anime in this instance so it's obviously not a part of the game, but you get the idea. Nebby does want to fight you and all that, but I was saying that I don't understand why it didn't just join you seeing as you've already bonded and he liked you. Not sure why this turned into an argument.
So you would fight it, then it would get in a ball immediately after you defeat it is what you are saying? Fine, that makes sense. It's not really going to bother me that much though to be honest.

I'm not really sure how you level your party, but it only took me about three battles for the first evolution and about five for the final along with a Rare Candy or two. I'm not sure how fighting a legendary compares to simple levelling but it's obvious fighting a legendary is more work. Low catch rate means you could spend hours fighting and chucking balls even at 1 HP and asleep. Not to mention how an Ultra Ball nearly captures the first time then doesn't even shake once the other times. Plus you have to spend all kinds of money for potions and balls just for the fight meaning if you don't have money you have to go earn some. When I hatched my other two starters it literally took me five minutes to level them to their final evo.
I traded my Cosmog to a different game, gave it the Lucky Egg, gave it max affection in Pok?mon Refresh, and had it in the lead of my party before switching it out for a Pok?mon that can actually faint the level 50 Pok?mon in Poni Gauntlet. It still took nearly an hour to max its level from 5 to 53. You can use Rare Candies of course, but you are very limited in how many you receive in the game and some people opt not to use them for their own reasons. Unless you had the Cosmog in your party beforehand, it wouldn't take three battles to raise its level. Quit exaggerating. Also, if it was "so quick" leveling it up then why did you even bother using the Rare Candies to begin with?

It really isn't more work than leveling. A Zekrom at 1HP that is Asleep has a 18% chance of being captured in a Dusk Ball in ORAS (where the base catch rate for Zekrom was changed from 45 to 3). That is nearly a 1 in 5 chance of catching it, you have to be the unluckiest person in the entire world if it takes you hours to catch it under those conditions. Money is pretty easy to come by, just by completing the story and fighting all the NPCs. You usually get the Amulet Coin pretty early on too, so by the time you beat the game you should have more than enough money to buy 100 Hyper Potions and 100 Dusk Balls.

Oh, so Cosmog went from a being "worse than Magikarp" to something incredible you actually have to work for? AKA what I said all along? I'm sure you'd find it eventually anyway seeing as back in the day there weren't sites to tell you where to go, you simply heard about it from your friend who also played the game. How do you think people found out about it anyway? They probably waited around unturning every stone until they found the event. Nowadays you can't so much as go online without hearing every secret about every game.

Also that last part is funny considering a second Cosmog is literally given to you without any work whatsoever. Plus events nowadays too just give you everything. I remember back in D/P/Pl you actually had to go out and catch the events.

Care to explain the bolded parts of your two posts? Since when did you decide that Cosmog was suddenly a Pok?mon that you had to work for? Well I'm glad you agree with me on that finally - and acknowledge that people had to go out of their way to search for it - because finding Cosmog is definitely not comparable to just going to any Pok?mon Center and talking to the delivery guy like you suggested before. That was sort of the whole point in that part of my post actually.

Never did I say that Cosmog was an incredible Pok?mon, or that there was no effort in finding it... what are you even going off about at this point? What I was saying was that there is no point in forcing the player to capture it because the task of finding it by itself is good enough of a task to warrant rewarding the player with Cosmog. If you got spoiled online about its location, then that is really your own fault and you have no reason to complain about "Cosmog being so easy to find" because otherwise, it isn't. You would either have to stumble upon it accidentally or just like you said, unturn every stone until you find the event.

Also, it is an undeniable fact that Cosmog by itself is worse than Magikarp. It learns no attack moves at all, not even through TM. If you ever plan on using this thing as an actual Pok?mon to fight with then consider nicknaming it "YOU WIN". It really is only there for two reasons; Dex Filler, and as an extra step to get Solgaleo or Lunala. Being forced to catch it in a Pok?Ball is just not necessary as the method of finding it and leveling it is a good enough way of getting an actual legendary in my opinion.
 
So you would fight it, then it would get in a ball immediately after you defeat it is what you are saying? Fine, that makes sense. It's not really going to bother me that much though to be honest.

I was really talking about having a Pokemon join without having to battle it, kind of like how you might take in a stray dog who becomes attached to you, but yes that could be a way for it to work too. I just picture the anime where Ash would ask if a Pokemon wanted to join and there wouldn't be a battle, it would just hop in the Pokeball and instantly be captured.

I traded my Cosmog to a different game, gave it the Lucky Egg, gave it max affection in Pok?mon Refresh, and had it in the lead of my party before switching it out for a Pok?mon that can actually faint the level 50 Pok?mon in Poni Gauntlet. It still took nearly an hour to max its level from 5 to 53. You can use Rare Candies of course, but you are very limited in how many you receive in the game and some people opt not to use them for their own reasons. Unless you had the Cosmog in your party beforehand, it wouldn't take three battles to raise its level. Quit exaggerating. Also, if it was "so quick" leveling it up then why did you even bother using the Rare Candies to begin with?

Everyone has their own different methods for leveling so I'm not even going to bother with this.

It really isn't more work than leveling. A Zekrom at 1HP that is Asleep has a 18% chance of being captured in a Dusk Ball in ORAS (where the base catch rate for Zekrom was changed from 45 to 3). That is nearly a 1 in 5 chance of catching it, you have to be the unluckiest person in the entire world if it takes you hours to catch it under those conditions. Money is pretty easy to come by, just by completing the story and fighting all the NPCs. You usually get the Amulet Coin pretty early on too, so by the time you beat the game you should have more than enough money to buy 100 Hyper Potions and 100 Dusk Balls.

For the record, I am a very unlucky person. If there's a 1% chance of failure I'm guaranteed to hit that 1%. Also I've reached the point where I've beaten all the NPCs and the only way to get money would be going through the Elite Four again which I don't feel like doing. I have maybe 10k money left.

Care to explain the bolded parts of your two posts? Since when did you decide that Cosmog was suddenly a Pok?mon that you had to work for? Well I'm glad you agree with me on that finally - and acknowledge that people had to go out of their way to search for it - because finding Cosmog is definitely not comparable to just going to any Pok?mon Center and talking to the delivery guy like you suggested before. That was sort of the whole point in that part of my post actually.

Forgive me, I often misword things. I said "work for" when I was really talking about how powerful it is. It's true that it starts off weak (like lots of other Pokemon) but it is essentially a powerful Pokemon given to you for free. But I still think it's relatively easy to find. I mean, just wander into the Altar during a certain 12 hours with the legendary in your party. How hard is that to accomplish? After travelling to the other world, the only thing different is the Lake so you fly there and Cosmog. Not that hard.

Never did I say that Cosmog was an incredible Pok?mon, or that there was no effort in finding it... what are you even going off about at this point? What I was saying was that there is no point in forcing the player to capture it because the task of finding it by itself is good enough of a task to warrant rewarding the player with Cosmog. If you got spoiled online about its location, then that is really your own fault and you have no reason to complain about "Cosmog being so easy to find" because otherwise, it isn't. You would either have to stumble upon it accidentally or just like you said, unturn every stone until you find the event.

I'm not sure what you've been going off about at this point seeing as I simply posted something about my general opinions about the game, but whatever. No idea why you keep talking about how hard it is to find since I literally just happened to stumble upon it myself. I heard it had something to do with the Lake so I went there but nothing so I went to the Altar to find a dimensional rift thing. Pretty easy.

Also, it is an undeniable fact that Cosmog by itself is worse than Magikarp. It learns no attack moves at all, not even through TM. If you ever plan on using this thing as an actual Pok?mon to fight with then consider nicknaming it "YOU WIN". It really is only there for two reasons; Dex Filler, and as an extra step to get Solgaleo or Lunala. Being forced to catch it in a Pok?Ball is just not necessary as the method of finding it and leveling it is a good enough way of getting an actual legendary in my opinion.

Never said that it was better than Magikarp, I was just saying it becomes a worthy Pokemon in the end. Personally I don't really like how they decided to have an evolve-able legendary simply to pull the whole "it was Nebby all along!" move. It's really garbage when you think about it. First it's cute and defenseless so you come to like it. Then it ""dies"" for its second evolution. Then suddenly it's the cover legendary! I mean I guess it's good for the plot but not a good excuse for evolutions.
 
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people on gts are twisted xD I just got sent a shiny ditto nicknamed "GOT EM" and it had 0 IVS in each slot.....good one

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OH MY GAWD I put it back in the gts and got another 0iv shiny ditto....they named it "dont be greedy" ;-; I just want a decent ditto! I gave up my sharpedo for the first ditto....thats not greedy

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What is even going on??! A third perfectly 0 IV ditto ;-; you can't even catch a ditto that bad

And that makes ~6~ 0 iv dittos in a row, they all have the same trainer ID. What kind of cynical jerk stalks the gts to make sure people don't get normal pokemon? I'd be happy with a 4 iv ditto ;-; I give up for now

now im up to around 20 of these stupid Eli Dittos :/ this feels like some fake justice dealt out to "cheaters" who want good Iv pokemon by Verlisify or somethin
 
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So um guys I know I'm super late but I caught Lunala and got Modest nature on my first try. Keep it or...?
 
So um guys I know I'm super late but I caught Lunala and got Modest nature on my first try. Keep it or...?

It's a special attacker so modest can't be bad, otherwise just browse smogon/gamefaqs etc if you're looking to make it a specific set
 
I'm really curious about the "alternate world" you enter to get another Cosmog. Is it essentially Sun version? Like can you find Pokemon from Sun here? Would Pokemon that evolve get their Sun evolutions? I really doubt all this but I mean I don't see why not. It would really be a good way to help fill your Pokedex lol.

I also find it weird that you can go back to your house and the alternate mom knows you. I was expecting a "who are you? you look just like him" type thing. xD
 
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I'm really curious about the "alternate world" you enter to get another Cosmog. Is it essentially Sun version? Like can you find Pokemon from Sun here? Would Pokemon that evolve get their Sun evolutions? I really doubt all this but I mean I don't see why not. It would really be a good way to help fill your Pokedex lol.

I also find it weird that you can go back to your house and the alternate mom knows you. I was expecting a "who are you? you look just like him" type thing. xD

Depending on which version you get it will be the opposite game but you still can't catch version exclusive pokemon for example if you have moon and go to the alternate world you will still find moon exclusive mons and rockruff evos aren't version exclusives
 
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people on gts are twisted xD I just got sent a shiny ditto nicknamed "GOT EM" and it had 0 IVS in each slot.....good one

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OH MY GAWD I put it back in the gts and got another 0iv shiny ditto....they named it "dont be greedy" ;-; I just want a decent ditto! I gave up my sharpedo for the first ditto....thats not greedy

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What is even going on??! A third perfectly 0 IV ditto ;-; you can't even catch a ditto that bad

And that makes ~6~ 0 iv dittos in a row, they all have the same trainer ID. What kind of cynical jerk stalks the gts to make sure people don't get normal pokemon? I'd be happy with a 4 iv ditto ;-; I give up for now

now im up to around 20 of these stupid Eli Dittos :/ this feels like some fake justice dealt out to "cheaters" who want good Iv pokemon by Verlisify or somethin
Verlisify is a piece of garbage imo. From what I can tell he always stirs up fake drama and blows things way out of proportion.

It's funny because the only way to get a Ditto that terrible is to hack. Actually, it is more difficult to obtain a legitimate Ditto with nothing but 0IVs than a Ditto with perfect 31IVs, given that the new SOS mechanic will guarantee to the player that they will always find a Pok?mon with at least 4IVs once you get far enough into the chain.

If you want a 6IV Ditto then this might be worth checking out.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BreedingDittos/comments/5h895q/giveaway_dittobot_says_hi/
 
Verlisify is a piece of garbage imo. From what I can tell he always stirs up fake drama and blows things way out of proportion.

It's funny because the only way to get a Ditto that terrible is to hack. Actually, it is more difficult to obtain a legitimate Ditto with nothing but 0IVs than a Ditto with perfect 31IVs, given that the new SOS mechanic will guarantee to the player that they will always find a Pok?mon with at least 4IVs once you get far enough into the chain.

If you want a 6IV Ditto then this might be worth checking out.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BreedingDittos/comments/5h895q/giveaway_dittobot_says_hi/

Thank you for the link!~
Finally got a breeding ditto :p whoever's giving out the perfect garbage dittos can suck it!
 
Guys guys! I just caught me a Mareanie! Took me ages for that Corsola to summon it though x_x How good is its defense and special defense? Mine is Sassy with the characteristic of Sturdy Body.

I know that perhaps Impish or Careful would be best, but hey I gotta take what I get right? :p
 
Type: Null with Adament nature. Good or...?

Edit: nvm went with it anyway
 
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Well I just got every Pok?mon of the island scan now to evolve them :) and then just breed shiny until pokebank works :p
 
So does changing the 3DS clock not affect the in game clock? I'm trying to get a drifloon ( shows up in day) at the cemetery but misdreavus (shows up at night) keeps showing up regardless of being night or day

edit: nvm I hatched a 6iv one in 16 eggs all thanks to that ditto!! yay :3
 
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Anyone else still at the beginning of the game (or middle)? ..No? Just me.. okay xD


I'm really taking my sweet time aren't I? Lol
 
Anyone else still at the beginning of the game (or middle)? ..No? Just me.. okay xD


I'm really taking my sweet time aren't I? Lol

I came here to see how horrifically far behind I'll be when I finally open the game at Christmas. Pretty far, it seems. So... consolation?
 
Type: Null with Adament nature. Good or...?

Edit: nvm went with it anyway

Yes that isn't bad at all. Adamant is +Attack, -Sp. Attack.

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Verlisify is a piece of garbage imo. From what I can tell he always stirs up fake drama and blows things way out of proportion.

It's funny because the only way to get a Ditto that terrible is to hack. Actually, it is more difficult to obtain a legitimate Ditto with nothing but 0IVs than a Ditto with perfect 31IVs, given that the new SOS mechanic will guarantee to the player that they will always find a Pok?mon with at least 4IVs once you get far enough into the chain.

If you want a 6IV Ditto then this might be worth checking out.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BreedingDittos/comments/5h895q/giveaway_dittobot_says_hi/

That's a great link. I'm tempted to get back into breeding competitive pokemon again. I had a 6IV ditto in Black and White.

A togedemaru though, hm that's the only Alolan pokemon I still have not managed to find. I may have to cheat and look up its location on serebii...
 
Is it possible to buy more than one mega stone? I'm going to have to buy one from somebody...
 
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