Star Wars Rogue One discussion thread (warning -- there will be spoilers inside)

[King Dorado]

didnt see a thread for this movie, and seems like it warrants its own discussion.

I loved the Rogue One movie, it's well worth seeing imo, and it was nice change from the prequel trilogy and from the recycled plot of The Force Awakens.

my favorite scenes were pretty much anything with Donnie Yen, he's awesome.

their droid is the best SW droid of alltime, by far!

one thing i really didnt get was the meaning of Jyn's necklace, the movie made a big deal about her receiving it from her dad, she touches it on several occasions and has flashbacks about it, then they never used it in any significant way, like i was thinking it would somehow be a key of some kind or something. kinda odd that it received so much apparently meaningless attention iyam...

well what did oyu guys like and/or dislike about the movie??

 

[cIementine]

(spoilers below)
been waiting for a thread on this! i saw it on the 17th?? i think and i was definitely expecting a sad ending (mostly because i thought the plot was they were trying to destroy the death star, not find the plans in order to do so).
the characters were so interesting and refreshing and dynamic.
one thing i was taken aback by was the visual appeal and consistent aesthetic values in the film. it was so great to look at.
it was also a great film for fans. it just really cut in to a different narrative and added weight and perspective to the star wars past.
one complaint is that i was hoping for more character development. there was a set of perfect characters in front of us and just as they start to develop, the action starts, and then it ends along with them. despite that, i was still devastated by the result. it also lacked in pace in a lot of areas.
another note, i loved the r2 and c3po cameo as well as the way the ending used leia to merge into the events of episode iv.
edit: k2so was amazing and i also like cassian andor and chirrut imwe. i think the necklace was just meant to represent her father and her missing him etc?? didn't think much of it when i saw it.
preferred force awakens.

 

[moonford]

The film and acting was awful.

 

[cornimer]

I thought it was ok. A bit boring in the beginning but the end was good. I liked The Force Awakens a lot better, although I did really like the new droid.

 

[King Dorado]

one complaint is that i was hoping for more character development. there was a set of perfect characters in front of us and just as they start to develop, the action starts, and then it ends along with them. despite that, i was still devastated by the result.

i was thinking the same thing re character development. i could have done with less Grand Moff Tarkin and all of the interactions among the Empire baddies over control and testing of the death star, and more time instead devoted to, at least story-telling among the heroes to explain:

--what was Jyn up to (in a more specific way) after her father left the planet? how long was she imprisoned?
--what's the deal w/Donnie Yen, who is his buddy, and who were the Guardians of the Whill?

i expected everyone to die, as i recalled the lines about "many Bothans dies to bring us this information;" heh i had forgotten that line was for the second death star...

 

[Trent the Paladin]

my favorite scenes were pretty much anything with Donnie Yen, he's awesome.

their droid is the best SW droid of alltime, by far!

one thing i really didnt get was the meaning of Jyn's necklace, the movie made a big deal about her receiving it from her dad, she touches it on several occasions and has flashbacks about it, then they never used it in any significant way, like i was thinking it would somehow be a key of some kind or something. kinda odd that it received so much apparently meaningless attention iyam...

well what did oyu guys like and/or dislike about the movie??

Donnie Yen was a fantastic part of the movie, I really enjoyed his character.

I dunno about the best droid, but he's definitely one of the funnier droids we've encountered.

Jyn's necklace was a Kyber Crystal, the objects the Empire had been mining off of Jedha. It's how Chirrut noticed her and how his staff helps him see according to the Rogue One Visual Guide. Honestly though, besides that it's really just any old necklace. It's there as a reminder of her family, especially her mother.

Honestly I thought it was a pretty great movie overall and it filled a gap in Star Wars history that I originally wasn't interested in learning about.

(spoilers below)
been waiting for a thread on this! i saw it on the 17th?? i think and i was definitely expecting a sad ending (mostly because i thought the plot was they were trying to destroy the death star, not find the plans in order to do so).
the characters were so interesting and refreshing and dynamic.
one thing i was taken aback by was the visual appeal and consistent aesthetic values in the film. it was so great to look at.
it was also a great film for fans. it just really cut in to a different narrative and added weight and perspective to the star wars past.
one complaint is that i was hoping for more character development. there was a set of perfect characters in front of us and just as they start to develop, the action starts, and then it ends along with them. despite that, i was still devastated by the result. it also lacked in pace in a lot of areas.
another note, i loved the r2 and c3po cameo as well as the way the ending used leia to merge into the events of episode iv.
edit: k2so was amazing and i also like cassian andor and chirrut imwe. i think the necklace was just meant to represent her father and her missing him etc?? didn't think much of it when i saw it.
preferred force awakens.

I think the characters developed nicely for a one shot. As much as I was kind of hoping for some of them to make it off planet, based off the trailers, I figured Vader was bound to board whatever ship they had and finish them off while the data was transmitted. But if you crave more for those characters there is Rogue One Catalyst, a book that takes place beforehand. p:

i was thinking the same thing re character development. i could have done with less Grand Moff Tarkin and all of the interactions among the Empire baddies over control and testing of the death star, and more time instead devoted to, at least story-telling among the heroes to explain:

--what was Jyn up to (in a more specific way) after her father left the planet? how long was she imprisoned?
--what's the deal w/Donnie Yen, who is his buddy, and who were the Guardians of the Whill?

i expected everyone to die, as i recalled the lines about "many Bothans dies to bring us this information;" heh i had forgotten that line was for the second death star...

I dunno it was nice to see that not all the Admirals/Moffs got along. While it's been hinted at and shown before, it really helps show that the Empire wasn't this well tuned machine.

- Honestly Jyn's story wouldn't have been very interesting. Sure we'd get more time with Saw, but little skirmishes and Rebel Extremists would have detracted from the story I think.
- Whills. I don't think we'll learn much about them at the moment, but it seemed clear enough that they were a religious group.

 

[lostineverfreeforest]

Act 1 was pretty awful; terrible pacing and sloppy introductions of many of the characters. It really picked up by Act 2 and the finale was 10/10, ended exactly the way I was hoping it to. It still managed to be more enjoyable than The Force Awakens, like King Dad said it just recycled the plot to A New Hope and was thematically identical. They really played it too safe and after the OMG STAR WARZ effect wears off it's just an alright movie.

Was happy that Rogue One took its own path and wasn't afraid to do so. Not sure how I feel about the CGI Peter Cushing aka Grand Moff Tarkin, there were other characters like Red Leader and Leia who were CGI but they weren't focused on for very long. Tarkin only became more and more uncanny with all his scenes and close-up shots.

So is Donnie Yen force-sensitive or just a fanatic? He's blind and can still fight but he doesn't seem to use any overt Force powers. What the hell was up with him walking across an active battlefield to flip the switch? How did they not shoot him until after? Nitpicking, I also was wondering where all these heavy weapons they're using are in the OT. Why didn't they use X-Wings against the AT-ATs during the Battle of Hoth? You can see them on the ground after the battle, Luke takes off in one to Dagobah and they escort the transports with them. Bleh, continuity.

 

[King Dorado]

Act 1 was pretty awful; terrible pacing and sloppy introductions of many of the characters. It really picked up by Act 2 and the finale was 10/10, ended exactly the way I was hoping it to. It still managed to be more enjoyable than The Force Awakens, like King Dad said it just recycled the plot to A New Hope and was thematically identical. They really played it too safe and after the OMG STAR WARZ effect wears off it's just an alright movie.

Was happy that Rogue One took its own path and wasn't afraid to do so. Not sure how I feel about the CGI Peter Cushing aka Grand Moff Tarkin, there were other characters like Red Leader and Leia who were CGI but they weren't focused on for very long. Tarkin only became more and more uncanny with all his scenes and close-up shots.

So is Donnie Yen force-sensitive or just a fanatic? He's blind and can still fight but he doesn't seem to use any overt Force powers. What the hell was up with him walking across an active battlefield to flip the switch? How did they not shoot him until after? Nitpicking, I also was wondering where all these heavy weapons they're using are in the OT. Why didn't they use X-Wings against the AT-ATs during the Battle of Hoth? You can see them on the ground after the battle, Luke takes off in one to Dagobah and they escort the transports with them. Bleh, continuity.

i agree that ole Grand Moff started lookin weirder and weirder as the movie went on.

donnie yen is definitely force sensitive, he talked about the Force aura around cassian when he was going to assassinate jyn's father, and he was drawn to jyn's necklace. low level force sensitive tho i guess.

they did use xwings on hoth-- remember they were wrapping cables around the legs of the At-Ats so they would fall and explode.

 

[Bowie]

Haven't seen it yet, scrolling past all the above spoilers!

I haven't even watched The Force Awakens yet, actually. Didn't get an opportunity to see it in the cinema so I got it on DVD for Christmas. Will watch it with teary eyes for Carrie Fisher.

 

[lostineverfreeforest]

they did use xwings on hoth-- remember they were wrapping cables around the legs of the At-Ats so they would fall and explode.

Those were snowspeeders which they mention as having been adapted to the cold. You could make the argument that X-Wings aren't meant to fly in such conditions but they were shown as being on the ground on Hoth, just not used in the battle for whatever reason. As seen in Rogue One they are very effective versus AT-ATs, which their weapons otherwise had no effect against.

 

[King Dorado]

Those were snowspeeders which they mention as having been adapted to the cold. You could make the argument that X-Wings aren't meant to fly in such conditions but they were shown as being on the ground on Hoth, just not used in the battle for whatever reason. As seen in Rogue One they are very effective versus AT-ATs, which their weapons otherwise had no effect against.

google search found some guys discussing this a few years ago:

http://scifi.stackexchange.com/ques...he-rebels-on-hoth-use-x-wings-to-fight-at-ats

 

[Trent the Paladin]

Was happy that Rogue One took its own path and wasn't afraid to do so. Not sure how I feel about the CGI Peter Cushing aka Grand Moff Tarkin, there were other characters like Red Leader and Leia who were CGI but they weren't focused on for very long. Tarkin only became more and more uncanny with all his scenes and close-up shots.

So is Donnie Yen force-sensitive or just a fanatic? He's blind and can still fight but he doesn't seem to use any overt Force powers. What the hell was up with him walking across an active battlefield to flip the switch? How did they not shoot him until after? Nitpicking, I also was wondering where all these heavy weapons they're using are in the OT. Why didn't they use X-Wings against the AT-ATs during the Battle of Hoth? You can see them on the ground after the battle, Luke takes off in one to Dagobah and they escort the transports with them. Bleh, continuity.

They might have done CGI touch ups on Red Leader, but I'm pretty sure they've stated that was all leftover film from the original movies. Tarkin was definitely uncanny valley, the face was just not as organic. Leia I thought was alright, but we didn't have as many scenes or a real focus on her like we did Tarkin.

Probably force sensitive? At the very least the Force assists him with his blindness. Also you could argue that the Force helped him survive until the switch, but that's up to you.

I should probably rewatch, but were the X-Wings effective against the AT-ACTs? I remember watching the U-Wings cripple them with their Ion Guns, but I don't remember X-Wings taking many of the AT-ACTs down. Would probably argue that because of the different design and purpose, the walkers were not meant for combat much like the AT-ATs.

Those were snowspeeders which they mention as having been adapted to the cold. You could make the argument that X-Wings aren't meant to fly in such conditions but they were shown as being on the ground on Hoth, just not used in the battle for whatever reason. As seen in Rogue One they are very effective versus AT-ATs, which their weapons otherwise had no effect against.

I would argue they probably wanted to get as much Rebel personnel off Hoth and through the blockade, which meant X-Wings were nothing more than bodyguards. Hoth was a lost cause, the base discovered and Vader on the ground. No point in fighting to hold onto a planet that didn't offer anything anymore. And again, the AT-ACTs are more or less glorious 18 wheelers with guns. All out ground warfare was not likely to be their intended use.

 

[lostineverfreeforest]

google search found some guys discussing this a few years ago:

http://scifi.stackexchange.com/ques...he-rebels-on-hoth-use-x-wings-to-fight-at-ats

I'm pretty happy with both that in-universe and irl explanation i.e. it's marketing.

Probably force sensitive? At the very least the Force assists him with his blindness. Also you could argue that the Force helped him survive until the switch, but that's up to you.[/quoute]

I should probably rewatch, but were the X-Wings effective against the AT-ACTs? I remember watching the U-Wings cripple them with their Ion Guns, but I don't remember X-Wings taking many of the AT-ACTs down. Would probably argue that because of the different design and purpose, the walkers were not meant for combat much like the AT-ATs.

I would argue they probably wanted to get as much Rebel personnel off Hoth and through the blockade, which meant X-Wings were nothing more than bodyguards. Hoth was a lost cause, the base discovered and Vader on the ground. No point in fighting to hold onto a planet that didn't offer anything anymore. And again, the AT-ACTs are more or less glorious 18 wheelers with guns. All out ground warfare was not likely to be their intended use.

My roommate is convinced he was using battle meditation but for all anyone knows the Jedi are extinct. There would be nobody to teach him...unless he has a holocron. I guess with his character you can read it in a couple of ways.

Yes, they were getting stomped on until the X-Wings showed up and blasted the hell out of the AT-ACTs. They're basically just souped up AT-ATs designed for transporting cargo rather than troops, but as you can see they still have their heavy weapons. Hard to imagine them using less armor when they're equipped to fight like regular AT-ATs. Don't remember them using any Y-Wings on the planet, they were fighting at the gate where their ion cannons were needed to battle the Star Destroyers.

The only problem with that is many of the snowspeeder pilots were also X-Wing pilots like Wedge Antilles and Luke. The discussion that King Dad posted points out that the Battle of Hoth is a delaying action which makes more sense as to why they didn't commit more of their forces. Like you said, once the Empire found out they were there it didn't make much sense to stick around, especially as Hoth is a barren wasteland with no strategic value.

 

[Bunnilla]

This isn't related to rogue 1 but it is related to star wars. So my uncle came and gave my dad this DYI metal stars wars set.

We finished the Milennium Falcon and it looks so cool.

 

[BB-8 fan girl]

I thought Rogue one was awesome. I saw it twice lol. I still think BB-8 is better though. K2-SO is so sassy lol. He's pretty kool.

 

[King Dorado]

so, some are speculating that the scenes at Miustafar show somebody who is Vader's apprentice, somebody hypothesized to be....

Spoiler

Supreme Leader Snoke

and i have some BRILLIANT IDEAS built upon that hypothesis:

Spoiler: Brilliance

Yes! Snoke is Vader's apprentice, that makes so much sense--- that's how a burnt up Vader helmet finds its way to Kylo Ren; that's also one reason why Snoke is expert enough in the ways of the dark side of the Force to train Kylo Ren.

and its only logical that Vader WOULD have his own secret apprentice-- all the Sith did this, and surely Vader expected to overthrow the Emperor at some point. perhaps Vader's one-time hope of having his son Luke, join him in ruling the galaxy, is the betrayal that motivates Snoke to corrupt the Skywalker line after Vader's death....

but i sense that there's moar-- many have noticed the obvious discrepancy between spry badass Vader at the end of Rogue One, and clunky slow old man Vader a few months later in the films of the original trilogy. what if there's a plot explanation for this? hmmm, what if... somebody ELSE skilled in the darkside occasionally wore a black cape, mask, and took a red lightsaber into action, maybe for those menial tasks like retrieving stolen plans, tasks where the Emperor isnt gonna be on hand... Hmmmm, and wouldnt that also explain why "Darth Vader" isn't able to recognize his own daughter when Leia is captured...??? yeees, im saying that's Snoke behind the mask some of the time, doing his master's bidding and spreading fear of his master while broken down Vader sips tea in his bacta tank!!!!

and who knows... maybe, just maybe... Snoke is the most evil of all.. so evil that HE is the one who corrupted Vader further into darkside evil after the emperor turned him.... while pretending to be an apprentice, but in fact having a greater mastery of the darkside than any Sith who ever lived....

MUwahahaha!!