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Mafia TBT Mafia: Renaissance - Game Thread [ENDGAME - Town Wins]
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I'm fairly certain that harbours fos patterns actually makes them town. It's one thing to buss your mafia when you know they're going to get lynched, it's another to buss them from d2, I had to go back and check because harbour did vote heyden, but they did have the vote on oath before that.
I genuinely believe that harbour is town here, I think it makes the most sense given the circumstances of Oath flipping mafia - even if it's Oath + Shae mafia. Seems like a much more natural read than a buss.
I still don't get the townread on Tae. My scumread on them started end of night 1, and their reaction was to flip out, and then give up even though I'm the only consistent pressure on them all game. Like. What's the plan.
idrg dino to be honest.
And I'm still not sure about the alignment between locket/shae...
But if I assume that Tae is tp who got rb'd, then I'm looking for 3? more mafia.
Earlier I put shae/tae/dino, but if I take tae out as third party, I think it probably looks like shae/locket/dino, with dino as a ? slot, very slight possibility of being trundle.
I think punchy/glow/harbour are a pretty decent townlock, given the state of the game.
None of the prs are mafia, and if it's the masons I'm sure it'll be glaringly obvious.
I'm fairly certain oath flipping mafia solved the game, so I'm pretty happy about it.
I genuinely believe that harbour is town here, I think it makes the most sense given the circumstances of Oath flipping mafia - even if it's Oath + Shae mafia. Seems like a much more natural read than a buss.
I still don't get the townread on Tae. My scumread on them started end of night 1, and their reaction was to flip out, and then give up even though I'm the only consistent pressure on them all game. Like. What's the plan.
idrg dino to be honest.
And I'm still not sure about the alignment between locket/shae...
But if I assume that Tae is tp who got rb'd, then I'm looking for 3? more mafia.
Earlier I put shae/tae/dino, but if I take tae out as third party, I think it probably looks like shae/locket/dino, with dino as a ? slot, very slight possibility of being trundle.
I think punchy/glow/harbour are a pretty decent townlock, given the state of the game.
None of the prs are mafia, and if it's the masons I'm sure it'll be glaringly obvious.
I'm fairly certain oath flipping mafia solved the game, so I'm pretty happy about it.
PunchyTheCat
Senior Member
Interest: piqued
I mean idk I already claimed vanilla townie but as I mentioned earlier: that's the safest claim for scum bc the roles are wack jn this game
PunchyTheCat
Senior Member
f11
AntonioSkarmoury
Mogyay
Shawo
glow
Harbour -> to be honest i haven't read very many of harbours posts in detail because i don't really notice very much wrong with them
PunchyDaHufflepuff
Trundle
DinoTown
Sheabae
tae
Locket
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ok so let's extract all oath's reads
in response to geoni:
this isn't a read, but oath interacts with tae again here when tae questions jacob for his push on them based off the RQS.
side note for context, when oath says "Why" he's speaking to trundle. on d1 trundle said that he was okay with lynching either oath or tae.
so i'm going to say right now that in the case where tae IS mafia, trundle should be effectively cleared unless you think he just went rogue d1, nearly got himself lynched, and attempted to bus two of his partners.
next was hayden posts which i'm skipping. FFWD to oath's reply to daniel:
ok this quote is important. this is actually THE maximum amount of names that he included in a singular post. and we know of the six, four were town. would oath realllllly name ALL town. no, probably not? BUT we also know that his main pushes (hayden, geoni) were town. i'm considering the idea that we can likely assert that one of locket/trundle are mafia.
next, this is an interesting reply to punchy:
so, oath initially says he doesn't buy a case against locket, but then when punchy gives locket a slight scumread in his reads, (on the basis that locket's reads are vague, which was true, here)
oath agrees, but then balances it out by saying he 'doesn't really blame locket'.
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Antonio states:
then oath questions Antonio about trundle/hayden, even though he "sr'd" them both. doesn't ask about punchy. (oath hasn't said anything about punchy) which i questioned him on.
i'm skipping over my interactions with oath, but you can read them here if you want. basically he says he understands that Antonio would sr punchy out of annoyance? not sure if i'm understanding that properly because it doesn't make sense to me.
thennn d2 happens.
yeah that does NOT look good for tae actually :/ kinda feels redirective.
noticed this on the same page. i can ascertain that yeah, this is just more evidence for me that trundle is not mafia if tae is mafia.
first mention of dino.
in the event that trundle IS mafia, he's a role that oath is fine with getting investigated OR there's a framer.
f11 actually made this observation. to which, oath responded with:
given the town PRs, godfather is a bit too vanilla for this game. framer seems still pretty tame. so i'm not gonna look too much into this
first mention of harbour.
next interaction is with punchy, where punchy defends geoni and states that he's surprised geoni was a serious lynch candidate. oath asks punchy to explain. seems like a waste of space to quote so
weird post but NAI
NO WTF THAT SERIOUSLY WAS NOT DONE
I THINK I HIT TAB AND ENTER THIS IS SO EMBARRASSING : (
ugh yikes
do i just continue. i wanted this to be ONE post and i needed to trim and edit : (
Antonio
Mogyay
Shawo
glow
Harbour -> to be honest i haven't read very many of harbours posts in detail because i don't really notice very much wrong with them
PunchyDaHufflepuff
Trundle
DinoTown
Sheabae
tae
Locket
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ok so let's extract all oath's reads
in response to geoni:
this isn't a read, but oath interacts with tae again here when tae questions jacob for his push on them based off the RQS.
side note for context, when oath says "Why" he's speaking to trundle. on d1 trundle said that he was okay with lynching either oath or tae.
so i'm going to say right now that in the case where tae IS mafia, trundle should be effectively cleared unless you think he just went rogue d1, nearly got himself lynched, and attempted to bus two of his partners.
next was hayden posts which i'm skipping. FFWD to oath's reply to daniel:
ok this quote is important. this is actually THE maximum amount of names that he included in a singular post. and we know of the six, four were town. would oath realllllly name ALL town. no, probably not? BUT we also know that his main pushes (hayden, geoni) were town. i'm considering the idea that we can likely assert that one of locket/trundle are mafia.
next, this is an interesting reply to punchy:
so, oath initially says he doesn't buy a case against locket, but then when punchy gives locket a slight scumread in his reads, (on the basis that locket's reads are vague, which was true, here)
oath agrees, but then balances it out by saying he 'doesn't really blame locket'.
>>> next
Antonio states:
then oath questions Antonio about trundle/hayden, even though he "sr'd" them both. doesn't ask about punchy. (oath hasn't said anything about punchy) which i questioned him on.
i'm skipping over my interactions with oath, but you can read them here if you want. basically he says he understands that Antonio would sr punchy out of annoyance? not sure if i'm understanding that properly because it doesn't make sense to me.
thennn d2 happens.
yeah that does NOT look good for tae actually :/ kinda feels redirective.
noticed this on the same page. i can ascertain that yeah, this is just more evidence for me that trundle is not mafia if tae is mafia.
first mention of dino.
in the event that trundle IS mafia, he's a role that oath is fine with getting investigated OR there's a framer.
f11 actually made this observation. to which, oath responded with:
given the town PRs, godfather is a bit too vanilla for this game. framer seems still pretty tame. so i'm not gonna look too much into this
first mention of harbour.
next interaction is with punchy, where punchy defends geoni and states that he's surprised geoni was a serious lynch candidate. oath asks punchy to explain. seems like a waste of space to quote so
weird post but NAI
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NO WTF THAT SERIOUSLY WAS NOT DONE
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I THINK I HIT TAB AND ENTER THIS IS SO EMBARRASSING : (
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ugh yikes
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do i just continue. i wanted this to be ONE post and i needed to trim and edit : (
DinoTown
Festive Fossil
I voted Punchy because at the time, Punchy did seem to be acting off. Then the site went down, then no-one was posting, then I was ASLEEP. Can you stop trying to paint me as mafia because I can't change my vote or be active as late into the days as you can
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I appreciate you
That's... the first time I've called you mafia, it wasn't for the reason that you voted punchy, it was because you voted punchy at all given the state of the game.
I do think you are a tad bit too defensive, given the context of what I said, especially since I willfully admitted that I am not qualified to read you, you're just kinda in that list because "I have townreads and you're not one of them."
I do think you are a tad bit too defensive, given the context of what I said, especially since I willfully admitted that I am not qualified to read you, you're just kinda in that list because "I have townreads and you're not one of them."
DinoTown
Festive Fossil
No, you did it yesterday as well, and I said the same thing then, to which you completely ignored me trying to talk to you about that. Gimme a minute and I'll find it for you if you like.
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It was when I was caught up in the early Geoni wagon and didn't have the chance to change my vote once things started ramping up at EoD
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Alright, I apologise, I was wrong. You haven't implied I was mafia once before.
You've done it three times.
Here are the three times you have previously implied that I might be mafia
Well I'm not going to argue semantics with you, but the difference between these posts is in one I actively said "you're a part of the mafia team" while in the others I said "a part of the lynch pool". If you want to split hairs over each of these posts were I suggested you might be mafia you're free to do so, but that wasn't the idea here.
DinoTown
Festive Fossil
Alright, fair enough then, apologies for getting angry with you.
Since you're good with numbers for this it seems, may I make the request that you do the maths for what's likely to happen now we've gotten one mafia member? I think there were 4 mafia so I'd assume they still have 2KP for tonight.
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noticed this, good post from punchy and oath responds to that by saying:
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this aged well.
[context: this is to f11 but they're kinda memeing with each other since its a play on what oath said about trundle being investigated. and f11's reply about a framer.]
this is to punchy, where punchy had called oath + f11 mafia.
pushing further on trundle. changes on tae but no specific comments on either.
this is about sheabae, first mention. also, this is in reply to locket, and which is the first time he interacted w. locket after lightly defending locket
locket's response on sheabae: (the bolded is in regards to sheabae)
THEN, oath ISO's sheabea. a HARDPUSH. this is actually more than he was writing about geoni/trundle/etc.
this sort of push makes me think that sheabae may be town. but it's weak. because oath pursues punchy not shea. the shea vote at the end was self preservation.
then oath discusses more of the game in response to tae, even though tae wasn't really talking to oath.
i think this post is really important. he sets up his push on punchy, and yeah we all know that oath and punchy interacted HEAVILY. so i'm not gonna quote those.
TL;DR from that, punchy comes out of it looking town. the only thing that feels weird is punchy's last minute change of mind, but i believe that he could still have made that choice as town.
next reads post, which Antonio prompted:
oath orders his list from most town -> least
really interesting that trundle and dino are ordered first. oath never stated that he townread either of those people. in fact, oath said he had no reads at all on dino previously.
locket is placed in the middle ish, but it is VERY weird that tae is ordered behind me (meaning oath thought i was scummier than tae) despite calling me one of the most town in his prior reads list, and agreeing with me in thread a few times.
i'm seeing a pattern in that oath's hardest pushes (hayden, geoni) were town, he also lists me second in his first list and i am also town in case you were wondering. harbour isn't pushed hard here though, so i'm not sure they fall into this category but i can say that i think punchy does.
this is in reply to punchy. i don't really think it means anything bc he was just trying to find something to argue with punchy about. but it does seem forced as an interaction, as his reads don't align with this claim.
this is also to punchy and feels a bit more defensive?
this is to trundle.
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okay. that's basically everything worthwhile. obviously skipped over the punchy stuff.
CONCLUSION/SUMMARY TIME.
if we follow the pattern that oath's HARDPUSHES were town, as in the case of geoni/hayden, this leads to: punchy + sheabae being town. i am much more confident that punchy is town for obvious reasons. and like i said i wouldn't quickly categorise shea as in the same category because ultimately oath's objective was to lynch punchy.
so i'm left with:
Harbour
Trundle
DinoTown
Sheabae
tae
Locket
i stand by the claim that if tae is mafia, trundle is town. objectively there's nothing that suggests that trundle is compatible with tae, and IMO oath as well.
i think harbour and tae's votes placement were interesting. personally i would not suggest any of trundle/tae/harbour for a d3 lynch but i think my main takeaway is that a tae ISO is needed. i still think trundle is town. i really haven't looked into harbour. i'm giving them d3 immunity because i think they pushed oath for awhile lol.
that trims d3's lynch BEST OPTIONS to:
dino/shea/locket. tae as a potential, objectively speaking, because some of the interactions are pretty damning. personally though, i would wait on tae and see if we can hit mafia in the first three.
so that's where i'm looking next and yeah pretty sure everyone else is too. but this post needs to end soon so i'll wrap it up.
of the pool that i don't townread at this point:
tae is mentioned first by oath. (no read from oath), locket is defended lightly by oath. then dino (no read from oath). then harbour (light scumread from oath). then sheabae (stronger scumread from oath).
so i'm looking into locket/dino before shea. which works out bc shea isn't here at the moment anyway. ALSO, i don't find it a coincidence that locket/dino were left out of oath's first listing of his reads in order. he said he had no reads at all on them, then after his punchy/shea pushes are formed, he places dino into #2 townread and locket into #3 townread despite no explanations for either.
noticed this, good post from punchy and oath responds to that by saying:
>> next
this aged well.
[context: this is to f11 but they're kinda memeing with each other since its a play on what oath said about trundle being investigated. and f11's reply about a framer.]
this is to punchy, where punchy had called oath + f11 mafia.
pushing further on trundle. changes on tae but no specific comments on either.
this is about sheabae, first mention. also, this is in reply to locket, and which is the first time he interacted w. locket after lightly defending locket
locket's response on sheabae: (the bolded is in regards to sheabae)
THEN, oath ISO's sheabea. a HARDPUSH. this is actually more than he was writing about geoni/trundle/etc.
this sort of push makes me think that sheabae may be town. but it's weak. because oath pursues punchy not shea. the shea vote at the end was self preservation.
then oath discusses more of the game in response to tae, even though tae wasn't really talking to oath.
i think this post is really important. he sets up his push on punchy, and yeah we all know that oath and punchy interacted HEAVILY. so i'm not gonna quote those.
TL;DR from that, punchy comes out of it looking town. the only thing that feels weird is punchy's last minute change of mind, but i believe that he could still have made that choice as town.
next reads post, which Antonio prompted:
oath orders his list from most town -> least
really interesting that trundle and dino are ordered first. oath never stated that he townread either of those people. in fact, oath said he had no reads at all on dino previously.
locket is placed in the middle ish, but it is VERY weird that tae is ordered behind me (meaning oath thought i was scummier than tae) despite calling me one of the most town in his prior reads list, and agreeing with me in thread a few times.
i'm seeing a pattern in that oath's hardest pushes (hayden, geoni) were town, he also lists me second in his first list and i am also town in case you were wondering. harbour isn't pushed hard here though, so i'm not sure they fall into this category but i can say that i think punchy does.
this is in reply to punchy. i don't really think it means anything bc he was just trying to find something to argue with punchy about. but it does seem forced as an interaction, as his reads don't align with this claim.
this is also to punchy and feels a bit more defensive?
this is to trundle.
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okay. that's basically everything worthwhile. obviously skipped over the punchy stuff.
CONCLUSION/SUMMARY TIME.
- oath made several interactions with tae that were pretty fruitless. they feel forced/non interactive in a meaningful way. the reason why they feel forced is that he's injecting himself into the conversation, and involving tae:
- D1 - "TLDR on tae would help me" when discussing his scumreads on trundle/hayden. i'm not sure why tae was even mentioned here as it doesn't seem related?
- D1 - tae criticised jacob for having a scumread based off 1 single RQS answer. oath replies to tae and says that it "is something to go off" (NOTE: this is NAI as a statement. the interaction is what feels out of place to me)
- oath responded to the post where tae was stating that everyone was "sheeping shawo" and explained why he was "likely to sheep anyone", an atypical post from oath as he begins to expand on his thoughts in the game even though he wasn't asked, compared to the earlier reads where Antonio/geoni/etc. had to ask. NOTE: i am not saying that elaborating/explaining is scummy, this is something everyone should be doing. i just think it's interesting that he chose to respond to tae, despite tae not referencing oath directly in their post -- tae was just speaking generally to those that scumread them
- oath defended tae once, saying he didn't "buy that tae is mafia". but oath said that trundle/tae were the people he wanted to lynch d2???? this was before the shea/punchy ISOs. THEN after the shea/punchy ISOs, in oath's last reads list, oath listed tae as null/in the middle????
- D1 - "TLDR on tae would help me" when discussing his scumreads on trundle/hayden. i'm not sure why tae was even mentioned here as it doesn't seem related?
if we follow the pattern that oath's HARDPUSHES were town, as in the case of geoni/hayden, this leads to: punchy + sheabae being town. i am much more confident that punchy is town for obvious reasons. and like i said i wouldn't quickly categorise shea as in the same category because ultimately oath's objective was to lynch punchy.
so i'm left with:
Harbour
Trundle
DinoTown
Sheabae
tae
Locket
i stand by the claim that if tae is mafia, trundle is town. objectively there's nothing that suggests that trundle is compatible with tae, and IMO oath as well.
i think harbour and tae's votes placement were interesting. personally i would not suggest any of trundle/tae/harbour for a d3 lynch but i think my main takeaway is that a tae ISO is needed. i still think trundle is town. i really haven't looked into harbour. i'm giving them d3 immunity because i think they pushed oath for awhile lol.
that trims d3's lynch BEST OPTIONS to:
dino/shea/locket. tae as a potential, objectively speaking, because some of the interactions are pretty damning. personally though, i would wait on tae and see if we can hit mafia in the first three.
so that's where i'm looking next and yeah pretty sure everyone else is too. but this post needs to end soon so i'll wrap it up.
of the pool that i don't townread at this point:
tae is mentioned first by oath. (no read from oath), locket is defended lightly by oath. then dino (no read from oath). then harbour (light scumread from oath). then sheabae (stronger scumread from oath).
so i'm looking into locket/dino before shea. which works out bc shea isn't here at the moment anyway. ALSO, i don't find it a coincidence that locket/dino were left out of oath's first listing of his reads in order. he said he had no reads at all on them, then after his punchy/shea pushes are formed, he places dino into #2 townread and locket into #3 townread despite no explanations for either.
love your ISO breakdown @glow
idk of the benadryl is making me hazy but with your trundle + me thing, is it just if i’m maf trundle = town. or is it reversible as well? like if trundle is maf does that make me town?
alao is anyone gonna fess up to that stupid message i got? bc i’m still haunted by that bull****
also i can see why you’d assume i could be mafia with some of oath’s interactions with me, but honestly i’m town and i think he saw me as an easy push. even if he didn’t push hard. he kept my name relevant to feed shawo’s tunnel on me /knowing/ i’m not mafia and that there was enough sus towards me that it would be an easy town lynch to jump on.
y’all won’t believe me til you see the roles.
and i admit my attention to this game has been puss poor for my first game back in some years, and i can’t use real life as a solid excuse despite the ****ery going on right now- but i mean it when i say that i think there’s some valid ass shady stuff coming from shawo. i’m hoping i’m just being petty but like y’all my gut says there’s something up.
i agree on the locket sus. but i don’t have a good read on dino or shea. shea jumped in all wolff a few times but they’ve been so distant it’s hard to really read. pockets robotic and kinda.. aloof but i can’t say i’ve ever really played a game with them.
as far as my vote went today, i didn’t think punchy was scummy and i only voted oath bc i really wasn’t caught up and i’ve tunneled my votes for shawo this entire game and i didn’t wanna split the votes and risk punchy dying when i don’t think he’s scum. not that anyone asked but i wanted to explain my vote since i was my present enough to do so earlier
wasn’t present enough.
also sorry for so many typos i’ve taken so much benedryl today i think i’m gonna die
idk of the benadryl is making me hazy but with your trundle + me thing, is it just if i’m maf trundle = town. or is it reversible as well? like if trundle is maf does that make me town?
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alao is anyone gonna fess up to that stupid message i got? bc i’m still haunted by that bull****
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also i can see why you’d assume i could be mafia with some of oath’s interactions with me, but honestly i’m town and i think he saw me as an easy push. even if he didn’t push hard. he kept my name relevant to feed shawo’s tunnel on me /knowing/ i’m not mafia and that there was enough sus towards me that it would be an easy town lynch to jump on.
y’all won’t believe me til you see the roles.
and i admit my attention to this game has been puss poor for my first game back in some years, and i can’t use real life as a solid excuse despite the ****ery going on right now- but i mean it when i say that i think there’s some valid ass shady stuff coming from shawo. i’m hoping i’m just being petty but like y’all my gut says there’s something up.
i agree on the locket sus. but i don’t have a good read on dino or shea. shea jumped in all wolff a few times but they’ve been so distant it’s hard to really read. pockets robotic and kinda.. aloof but i can’t say i’ve ever really played a game with them.
as far as my vote went today, i didn’t think punchy was scummy and i only voted oath bc i really wasn’t caught up and i’ve tunneled my votes for shawo this entire game and i didn’t wanna split the votes and risk punchy dying when i don’t think he’s scum. not that anyone asked but i wanted to explain my vote since i was my present enough to do so earlier
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also sorry for so many typos i’ve taken so much benedryl today i think i’m gonna die
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I'm glad to see a high effort post that is both easy to follow and a great read, my only complaint is that you did the one thing that probably looks the towniest after you lynch mafia and not before??
Also numbers.
Viable situations:
4 mafia:
We're at 12, going to 10, so it's 10-3, so we do have a mislynch, going into 7/3 because lynching mafia here puts kill power back at 1, which would be a 5-2 split.
4 mafia + 1 third party:
This ones basically impossible to analyze, but if 3 people die tonight, we end up at 9/3 + 1, however my understanding of sk has them at not being able to win with mafia, so in order to win the game, mafia or sk has to be lynched tomorrow.
I think the last realistic situation is
3 mafia + 1 third party:
Which has us ending with 2 kill power.
if I'm going to be completely honest, I think this scenario seems really unbalanced for the mafia, and probably isn't a reality.
I think serial killer is actually detrimental for mafia, and not for town since there's a random chance that the serial killer just kills mafia.
But ignoring variance, town ends up at 10/3 with 2 kp, but with 2 opposing factions.
Obviously it's probably impossible to identify which scenario it is, but I think due to the third kill on night 2, and the fact that 3 mafia + 1 third party seems super broken, and the fact that there's no claimed vig... 4 mafia + 1 third party seems to be the most likely scenario.
Given that, I'll probably have to completely reorganize my reads, because the way I read the game doesn't account in any way for a possible third party. It's mostly just read based/alignment tells, and honestly? if someone was on their own I doubt I would be able to accurately identify them as mafia.
Theory: SK has the ability to send a message, and they send a message to Tae, the mafia, who is now incredibly confused.
I also found this gem in the mafia-scum wiki.
Play Advice
If you draw Serial Killer, do not claim NK-Immune Miller Vig.
Also numbers.
Viable situations:
4 mafia:
We're at 12, going to 10, so it's 10-3, so we do have a mislynch, going into 7/3 because lynching mafia here puts kill power back at 1, which would be a 5-2 split.
4 mafia + 1 third party:
This ones basically impossible to analyze, but if 3 people die tonight, we end up at 9/3 + 1, however my understanding of sk has them at not being able to win with mafia, so in order to win the game, mafia or sk has to be lynched tomorrow.
I think the last realistic situation is
3 mafia + 1 third party:
Which has us ending with 2 kill power.
if I'm going to be completely honest, I think this scenario seems really unbalanced for the mafia, and probably isn't a reality.
I think serial killer is actually detrimental for mafia, and not for town since there's a random chance that the serial killer just kills mafia.
But ignoring variance, town ends up at 10/3 with 2 kp, but with 2 opposing factions.
Obviously it's probably impossible to identify which scenario it is, but I think due to the third kill on night 2, and the fact that 3 mafia + 1 third party seems super broken, and the fact that there's no claimed vig... 4 mafia + 1 third party seems to be the most likely scenario.
Given that, I'll probably have to completely reorganize my reads, because the way I read the game doesn't account in any way for a possible third party. It's mostly just read based/alignment tells, and honestly? if someone was on their own I doubt I would be able to accurately identify them as mafia.
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Theory: SK has the ability to send a message, and they send a message to Tae, the mafia, who is now incredibly confused.
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I also found this gem in the mafia-scum wiki.
Play Advice
If you draw Serial Killer, do not claim NK-Immune Miller Vig.
DinoTown
Festive Fossil
What about the possibility that there's only 3 mafia left? As in, we started with 4, got Oath, now there's 3 left, without a third party? That would still give 2KP for tonight.
The three kills on D2 could be explained by Oath using their abilities. They've not said they have/haven't and they aren't gonna so we could be dealing with just 3 maf left and no third party.
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I'm gonna go ahead and take a guess that Oath did this to put the suspicion on two people they thought could be pushed for to cause a mislynch. Even in death they can cause havoc. While I'm honestly current unsure and maybe a little wary about Locket in general, it would be a clever idea to sow seeds of doubt on a town newbie that most people null/weak townlean. You'd waste a day with another mislynch over it.
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Going back to the buildup of roles left, if there's 3 kills tonight there's always the chance that there's another pr mafia who could contribute, so still not necessarily a third party. Given the odd blue prs we have, this game is clearly leaning into a more 'experimental' design so I wouldn't be surprised if there's two or more pr mafs.
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