Mafia TBT Mafia V: There and Back Again [Game Over/Town Win]

beary509 said:
I have defended myself multiple times. If you guys are so brain dead you can't go back a few pages, HERE IT IS.

Yes, Gandalf must have made a mistake with the roles.
I don't have much defense, but I a going through a difficult time in my life, and I have been very angry recently. That is what is responsible for my behavior change.

I've been a bit of a jerk in this thread, I admit it, but you guys have to learn to think for yourselves. Stop following one person like dogs. You are not dogs!

I really want town to win. The main reason that I really wanted to stay alive was because I wanted to prove t everyone that I am not that bad at mafia. Obviously, I've just been getting worse.
If this taunting, and saying, 'You shouldn't even sign up then', really hurts.

I'm sorry this wasn't 6 ****ing paragraphs, but I'm pissed.

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Just realized I started each thing with an I. -epicfacedesk-
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Is your only defense that Gandalf "messed up" the roles and that we shouldn't follow Trundle?

Trundle made a nice logical post listing why you're the mafia an all. He pointed things up and gathered evidence and posted it nicely for all of us to see.

Your response? "No he's wrong because I'm town"

Please address the points that Trundle has attacked you with and defend yourself with a statement and then evidence/proof as to why said statement is true.

It doesn't have to 6 paragraphs long but ideally about 3-4 lines for each point you were attacked with.
 
Alrighty, everyone. Even though I want to keep all votes on beary509 for today, I just made Mary slip up.

A bit of background: I lied about the whole Elf refund thing to get info out of her. It worked.
M=Mary T=Trundle
lolsoeasy said:
M: I'm an Elf.
If I die, screw you.

T: Who have you protected so far this game?

M: You and Beary (Oopsies)
I protected you because you were giving a ton of strong evidence.

T: That's a lie. Jer protected me night one and a person can only be protected once each night (you get a PM saying your protection didn't work due to another medic/elf whatever) gg Mary

M: One night. I participated two nights.
Whatever. Let the blue blood flow in two days.

T: Jer protected me night one and confirmed it and you claim to have protected me night one and confirm it. I know Jer did because he died an Elf and got the PM from him, but if you also did it would have gotten cancelled. Also, if you were, why didn't you claim to me after your protection went through like any good doctor is supposed to?

M: Because I'm a compulsive liar. Anyway, I didn't want to trust anyone. I never do.

T: Nice slip up, Mary! :) GG
We win!

M: ? Confused.
I AM an elf. Believe it or not, I will stand by this statement until my head rolls.

Then we shall see.
I may be a *****. I do miss obvious cues often. Organize my lynch and pay.
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Anyone else want to take a guess at why this is so scummy? Anyone? No?
Alright.
First off, she roleclaims Elf to me. There is a chance there is more than one Elf in the game, so nothing really that bad about that. I ask her who she protected first off. She claims she protected me and beary509, using the (oopsies) as an attempt to gain trust with me. Obviously she's going to say she protected me, which is just a weak scum tactic to try to get me to trust her. Fortunately, I had Jer protect me Night 1 already, so I decided to mess with her a bit and made up that "rule" which she didn't understand at first. Then, afterwards, I asked her why she didn't come out to me after she protected me. It's obvious why she didn't. She isn't actually a doctor (unless she is mafia doctor lol) so how could she claim to me? She hadn't made up the silly case of being an Elf yet. She covers it with being a compulsive liar and I just decide to call it a day at that.

Here's another big piece. If Mary really was an Elf, she would probably have checked her role to see what happened because she would have known that she actually did protect me night one without the whole fake refund thing happening. She did not do this and just assumed that I had caught her because none of this actually happened. She has to either read the role specifications for herself or just assume that I, as a pro-town player, am telling the truth, as she assumes I have no reason to lie.

Thank you and good night.
 
Maddy pinkie swears she isn't mafia. I begged her to kill Trundle, but noooo. She's townie, so she can't. Ugh.

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Edit: yes trundle, I lied.
 
The truth is, I protected someone (either you, blu rose, or kayla probably)
But I can't remember who the heck it is now, so I lied.
 
Trundle said:
Well, here is my case against beary509.
It really all ties in with oath2order. At the beginning of the game, when we were primarily suspicious of beary509 due to her major attitude changes, Superpenguin was in contact with oath2order. The first thing that tipped off Superpenguin about oath2order was that was that when he immediately roleclaimed to oath2order, oath didn't question why he roleclaimed like he usually would.

Why does this matter?

Point 1, if you're taking notes ;)
-beary509 said that her original role PM was Detective, and then was switched to townie.
-Oath2Order told Superpenguin that beary509 was "not smart enough" to come up with that on her own, therefore she must be town I suspect that oath was setting me up.
-When I mentioned beary509 to Superpenguin, he told me this, and oath2order told me at a separate time later.
Flaws with this
-If beary509 is mafia, her mafia buddies could have told her to share that story, or she could actually have gotten the first PM detective, and her second (the real) role PM was scum.

Last mafia game, when I was mafia, I disliked help from my, 'buddies' as you call them. I enjoy being independent.

Point 2
-As stated earlier in the game, beary509 has been acting way differently than she has any other game. Usually kind and apologetic, she is harsh and quick to react. Like I said, my life has been hard lately, and I am kind of upset. I'm not usually kind outside the forum.
-If beary509 really was a townie like she claimed, she wouldn't be so stressed over dying of such a small role. Sure, she would try to defend herself, but really, she has been giving short, stupid posts all game and has not contributed at all. More of a distraction than anything, just like the mafia should aim to be. I've tried. It's kind of your fault I'm so stressed honestly. I just want to prove myself, that I was skilled enough to last until the end. But no, smh.

Point 3
-Shortly after I mentioned oath2order and beary509 at the end of Day 2, oath2order quickly switched his vote to beary509. At first, this seems like a way to show that he is in no way affiliated with beary509. Knowing oath2order's play style, this was definitely made in attempt to confuse us as a town. The question: Was he doing this to try to frame beary509? If you look at it in this angle, I am presuming that it was a double bluff (don't get lost here). All in all, he wanted to made us think he was trying to frame beary509, while he was doing this in order to defend beary509. If you don't understand, just skip this. I think he was trying to get on the town's side.

Final Notes
-For some reason, beary509 has seem to come to think I'm scum. While this is cute, it doesn't work. In this game, I have worked with Superpenguin to shoot oath2order (Superpenguin tried to shoot Night One, but was roleblocked), I have not held back at all this game. As you've seen from my posts, I'm not afraid of dying and I'm showing that by maximizing my role as a Dwarf. None of my actions this game have been scummy in any way. So you say none of them have been scummy. How about arguing with me over PM, and tricking me to gain information?
-To the Detectives that were working with iLoveYou and Tom, please either come to me or one of the people you inspected. I know one of you inspected people last night that you can go to and trust. If you found someone that came up mafia, please try to get it to me so I can organize their death tonight.

If you have any questions, feel free. I encourage beary509 to make a defense.
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Fine, FanousOnTheLoose...
Responses in blue.
 
Lol? Why would you have protected me? I wasn't even active until almost second day?
 
You as in trundle.
I cleared my PM box this morning when I woke up. **** thing fills up too fast.
Maddy, please please please kill him. Please.
 
You said:
Lol? Why would you have protected me? I wasn't even active until almost second day?
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Admitting to your own faults now?

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Mary said:
You as in trundle.
I cleared my PM box this morning when I woke up. **** thing fills up too fast.
Maddy, please please please kill him. Please.
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I can't. I'm not mafia. .-.
 
beary509 said:
Tricking me to gain information
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That's not scummy that's fair game just like to point that out. SuperPenguin pulled the same thing on me in Mini Mafia 2. Made me paranoid as hell which then lead to my downfall as mafia that game.

And thank you for the defense Beary, really means a lot.
 
FanousOnTheLoose said:
That's not scummy that's fair game just like to point that out. SuperPenguin pulled the same thing on me in Mini Mafia 2. Made me paranoid as hell which then lead to my downfall as mafia that game.

And thank you for the defense Beary, really means a lot.
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Was that sarcasm? I don't mean to sound rude, I'm just curious.

Transitioning to timid, sad, beary now. ;u;
 
Maddy: Hai Mary! ~
Mary ♫: I hate Mafia
Maddy: Me too.
Maddy: </3
Mary ♫: My stomach is twisting into knots
Maddy: I think I may be miller.
Mary ♫: trundle will kill me. I'm an Elf though ;.;
Maddy: ;.;
Maddy: You should PM him?
Maddy: ;.;
Mary ♫: *banging head on wall*
Maddy: Maybe?
Maddy: ??
Mary ♫: I did
Maddy: *puts pillow on wall*
Maddy: Well, GRR>​
Ty: HEY MARY
Maddy: I'm 99% certain that Trundle is mafia.
Mary ♫: HEYY TYYYY
Mary ♫: I will laugh if he is
Maddy: Did I mention I want to kill him?
Mary ♫: ill laugh my *** off
Maddy: Trundle, taht it.
Maddy: that*
Maddy: is*
Mary ♫: It was implied.
Maddy: Jasom, listen to this ~ https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...
Maddy: Jason*
Maddy: It helps. ^^
Lynn105!: Why would he suspect oath thdhhenn
Mary ♫: You okay Jay? ❤
Lynn105!: o but hmm
Maddy: He's sick. :c
Mary ♫: Lynny, did you play
Maddy: ❤
Mary ♫: I don't remember
Lynn105!: Nah I suck at mafia lol
Lynn105!: played a few
Mary ♫: so do i
Mary ♫: everyone hates me
Lynn105!: you were on ,y mafia team at first remember lol
Lynn105!: you were on ,y mafia team at first remember lol
Mary ♫: and river and gallows
Maddy: I don't gate you ❤
Maddy: hate*
Mary ♫: Thats only because we're both gonna die
Lynn105!: I MISS YOUR HARUHI AVATAR
Maddy: Trundle is making me mad.
Maddy: You still there Jason? :c
Lynn105!: Or was it nagato
Lynn105!: or idk lol
Mary ♫: If you're mafis
Mary ♫: kill him
Jason: Yeah.
Mary ♫: please please please
Mary ♫: pleeeeeeease?!
Mary ♫: pretty please with red blood on top?
Maddy: ...
Maddy: I'm not mafia, LOL
Mary ♫: Im begging you, Maddy
Maddy: I'm townie.
Maddy: AGAIN...
Mary ♫: you promise
Mary ♫: Pinkie swear?
Maddy: Yep/
Maddy: Yep*
Maddy
Jason, http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/i-love-you-and-...
Maddy: c:
Jason: c;
Ty: Im here once again x3
Mary ♫: Check the mafia thread /shoots self
Mary ♫: I'm a freaking elf
Mary ♫: I swear to my DS
Maddy: I believe you.
Maddy: Let's murder Trundle?
Mary ♫: Yes plz
Jason: I finished our treehouse in Minecraft, Maddy.
Maddy:
Maddy: Ooo! I'll go look. ^^
Mary ♫: I cant remember who I protected
Mary ♫: stupid add
Maddy: :c
Mary ♫: I protected you last night. Youre welcome
Maddy: Me?
Maddy: Thank you...?
Maddy: ;u;
Mary ♫: Yes. You.
Mary ♫: Can we kill Trundle now?
Maddy: I wish.

Some of this is irrelevant, but here.
 
Mary said:
Maddy: Hai Mary! ~
Mary ♫: I hate Mafia
Maddy: Me too.
Maddy: </3
Mary ♫: My stomach is twisting into knots
Maddy: I think I may be miller.
Mary ♫: trundle will kill me. I'm an Elf though ;.;
Maddy: ;.;
Maddy: You should PM him?
Maddy: ;.;
Mary ♫: *banging head on wall*
Maddy: Maybe?
Maddy: ??
Mary ♫: I did
Maddy: *puts pillow on wall*
Maddy: Well, GRR>​
Ty: HEY MARY
Maddy: I'm 99% certain that Trundle is mafia.
Mary ♫: HEYY TYYYY
Mary ♫: I will laugh if he is
Maddy: Did I mention I want to kill him?
Mary ♫: ill laugh my *** off
Maddy: Trundle, taht it.
Maddy: that*
Maddy: is*
Mary ♫: It was implied.
Maddy: Jasom, listen to this ~ https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...
Maddy: Jason*
Maddy: It helps. ^^
Lynn105!: Why would he suspect oath thdhhenn
Mary ♫: You okay Jay? ❤
Lynn105!: o but hmm
Maddy: He's sick. :c
Mary ♫: Lynny, did you play
Maddy: ❤
Mary ♫: I don't remember
Lynn105!: Nah I suck at mafia lol
Lynn105!: played a few
Mary ♫: so do i
Mary ♫: everyone hates me
Lynn105!: you were on ,y mafia team at first remember lol
Lynn105!: you were on ,y mafia team at first remember lol
Mary ♫: and river and gallows
Maddy: I don't gate you ❤
Maddy: hate*
Mary ♫: Thats only because we're both gonna die
Lynn105!: I MISS YOUR HARUHI AVATAR
Maddy: Trundle is making me mad.
Maddy: You still there Jason? :c
Lynn105!: Or was it nagato
Lynn105!: or idk lol
Mary ♫: If you're mafis
Mary ♫: kill him
Jason: Yeah.
Mary ♫: please please please
Mary ♫: pleeeeeeease?!
Mary ♫: pretty please with red blood on top?
Maddy: ...
Maddy: I'm not mafia, LOL
Mary ♫: Im begging you, Maddy
Maddy: I'm townie.
Maddy: AGAIN...
Mary ♫: you promise
Mary ♫: Pinkie swear?
Maddy: Yep/
Maddy: Yep*
Maddy
Jason, http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/i-love-you-and-...
Maddy: c:
Jason: c;
Ty: Im here once again x3
Mary ♫: Check the mafia thread /shoots self
Mary ♫: I'm a freaking elf
Mary ♫: I swear to my DS
Maddy: I believe you.
Maddy: Let's murder Trundle?
Mary ♫: Yes plz
Jason: I finished our treehouse in Minecraft, Maddy.
Maddy:
Maddy: Ooo! I'll go look. ^^
Mary ♫: I cant remember who I protected
Mary ♫: stupid add
Maddy: :c
Mary ♫: I protected you last night. Youre welcome
Maddy: Me?
Maddy: Thank you...?
Maddy: ;u;
Mary ♫: Yes. You.
Mary ♫: Can we kill Trundle now?
Maddy: I wish.

Some of this is irrelevant, but here.
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By saying that you think Trundle is mafia, you're implying that he outsmarted every single town that has died so far and that he's some kind of cosmic genie capable of anything and everything, and that him being the genius you claim he is, somehow believed that I'm a dwarf?
 
That would be Beary.

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I know he isnt. I want to kill him because I'm pissed.
 
I've caught up with the past few pages, and again, am kind of surprised.

Beary509: I had put to rest my suspicions of Beary, because I was trying to keep Beary's feelings in mind, but... I just can't push aside some of this evidence brought up. However, at the same time, I just have a feeling that Beary is, like I said before, a disgruntled townie. All of those mistakes she's made are easily made by letting your emotions get the best of you. I say, we shouldn't waste a lynch in her. Have a vig shoot her, or detective inspect her so she can be conformed one or the other, so that we don't have this distraction in our way.

Mary: All I can really say is, all this evidence brought up about you is rather compelling. My suspicions of you have definitely been raised, but again, I'm not so sure. When you were a bodyguard in Mafia 4, you made yourself come of as rather scummy. We all know how that went...

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Mary said:
That would be Beary.

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I know he isnt. I want to kill him because I'm pissed.
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beary509 said:
Same thing here.
I'm pissed. .-.
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Wait, wtf? How do you know?

And if you do, why would you want to kill him? We're trying to get mafia, not town ffs
 
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