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Geez, I leave the forums for 3 hours to do homework, and all of this happens! :/ GG, Oath and FireNinja.
RIP: Kayla, Jer, SP and Tom.
Anyways, I think I'll vote either vote out Mary or Beary as the evidence provided by Trundle for the two is very convicing. (I find the evidence against Mary bit more convicing, but I'm willing to vote out either.)
Geez, I leave the forums for 3 hours to do homework, and all of this happens! :/ GG, Oath and FireNinja.
RIP: Kayla, Jer, SP and Tom.
Anyways, I think I'll vote either vote out Mary or Beary as the evidence provided by Trundle for the two is very convicing. (I find the evidence against Mary bit more convicing, but I'm willing to vote out either.)
How can you be sure that Mary is telling the truth to you about being a Elf? And how can Mary be so sure you're a dwarf? Unless someone's role is confirmed, you shouldn't trust them so much, even if you two are friends. Unless, of course, you two already know each other's roles from the beginning. (Sorry if this doesn't make any sense, It's late and I need some sleep...)
How can you be sure that Mary is telling the truth to you about being a Elf? And how can Mary be so sure you're a dwarf? Unless someone's role is confirmed, you shouldn't trust them so much, even if you two are friends. Unless, of course, you two already know each other's roles from the beginning. (Sorry if this doesn't make any sense, It's late and I need some sleep...)
I've caught up with the past few pages, and again, am kind of surprised.
Beary509: I had put to rest my suspicions of Beary, because I was trying to keep Beary's feelings in mind, but... I just can't push aside some of this evidence brought up. However, at the same time, I just have a feeling that Beary is, like I said before, a disgruntled townie. All of those mistakes she's made are easily made by letting your emotions get the best of you. I say, we shouldn't waste a lynch in her. Have a vig shoot her, or detective inspect her so she can be conformed one or the other, so that we don't have this distraction in our way.
Mary: All I can really say is, all this evidence brought up about you is rather compelling. My suspicions of you have definitely been raised, but again, I'm not so sure. When you were a bodyguard in Mafia 4, you made yourself come of as rather scummy. We all know how that went...
- - - Post Merge - - -
Wait, wtf? How do you know?
And if you do, why would you want to kill him? We're trying to get mafia, not town ffs
I wasn't joking. I was just thoroughly ticked off.
Now, though, my vision has cleared somewhat, and I can see how I would look like Scum from his perspective. I will continue stressing my Elvishnessuntil I die, which seems to be approaching soon.
Night fell once again on the company. As they nestled in to get some rest, a couple of members were posted around to take the first watch of the night. It didn't take long before a mighty call flew out across the camp. A Goblin raiding party had just been spotted.
In the vicious battle that ensued, many Company members were slain. Prin hadn?t stood a chance for the moment the fighting began a dozen arrows had flown out from the oncoming force to meet her. A cry went out across the camp as green blood began to seep through Prin?s now heavily pierced tunic. As the numbers of the enemy were gradually thinned, the goblins made a retreat. The majority of the company took pursuit leaving only few behind.
A scuffle soon broke out between the remaining members as they each accused one another of leading the goblins to the camp. oath2order was the first to fall as his head was swiftly removed from its shoulders by an overzealous fighter. Red blood splattered the ground as he fell proving his attackers aim had been true. The whole time, a steady wind had been picking up around the camp. So severe was the fighting that none of the combatants noticed. Many fell with an almighty crash, including Tom and Superpenguin who fell side by side one another, both mortally wounded. Both were covered in dark blue blood.
The wind began to howl. Just over the fighting, the sound of beating wings could be heard. Smaug the dragon had come at last. He descended on the party with monstrous speed and clamped iLoveYou up in his jaws and chomped her down in one bite. Jeremy made one great effort to save her, but he too was eaten by the great calamity. As he departed the massacre, Smaug turned his back to the bushes and blew great red flames onto the dying members of the party. Both Tom and Superpenguin sizzled and hissed as they dissolved in the flame like cubes of salt in water.
Caught by surprise as the remaining members returned, a barrage axes and arrows were thrown into Smaug?s mighty underbelly. The Dragon roared and took off to make an escape only to fall once more, overcome by the company. The dwarves roared with delight as they threw down at last their most dastardly of enemies. Smaug the terrible was no more. Neither was half the game, come to think of it. Dawn rose again to a very small crowd indeed.
Prin the Dwarf Jeremy the Elf Superpenguin the 1-Shot Great Eagle Tom the 2-Shot Great Eagle iLoveYou the D?nedain Ranger oath2order the Spawn of Ungoliant Fireninja1 aka Smaug the Dragon
Day three will last 48 hours and end on Saturday 15th 2am GMT. With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch
I've been thinking about this for a while, I'm going to have to vote Mary. That evidence brought up is very convincing, and it has me convinced.
Beary and Mary: Claiming we'll regret voting for you because you'll flip town is a very tried and untrue statement. After Mafia 4, I've learned not to even listen to people saying that and rely more on evidence than words, because it more often than not, has been scum saying that.
I've been thinking about this for a while, I'm going to have to vote Mary. That evidence brought up is very convincing, and it has me convinced.
Beary and Mary: Claiming we'll regret voting for you because you'll flip town is a very tried and untrue statement. After Mafia 4, I've learned not to even listen to people saying that and rely more on evidence than words, because it more often than not, has been scum saying that.
I'm not claiming you'll regret a thing. I cannot ever be 100% sure that Beary IS town, but I have chosen to trust her. Sometimes a leap of faith is required. Beary is emotionally unstable right now, but I have spoken with her and decided that her behavior is most likely caused by real-life events, not her alignment in this game.
It is true that I am a compulsive liar. I think I protected BBG, but my memory sucks. I forgot to take my medication yesterday. This is not an excuse for my distracting behavior.
If I were in Trundle's place, I would certainly lynch me. I have seemed very suspicious. However, my actions throughout this game have been very pro-town, and that cannot be said of Game I.
Again, my apologies for distracting the town; it seems to happen to me often. I can promise that it is not intentional.
I am an Elf. I believe that Beary is town. Any questions?
- - - Post Merge - - -
Also: Despite any hostility in-game, I love you guys outside of Mafia <3
I'm not claiming you'll regret a thing. I cannot ever be 100% sure that Beary IS town, but I have chosen to trust her. Sometimes a leap of faith is required. Beary is emotionally unstable right now, but I have spoken with her and decided that her behavior is most likely caused by real-life events, not her alignment in this game.
It is true that I am a compulsive liar. I think I protected BBG, but my memory sucks. I forgot to take my medication yesterday. This is not an excuse for my distracting behavior.
If I were in Trundle's place, I would certainly lynch me. I have seemed very suspicious. However, my actions throughout this game have been very pro-town, and that cannot be said of Game I.
Again, my apologies for distracting the town; it seems to happen to me often. I can promise that it is not intentional.
I am an Elf. I believe that Beary is town. Any questions?
- - - Post Merge - - -
Also: Despite any hostility in-game, I love you guys outside of Mafia <3
If you're a compulsive liar why did you tell me you were a compulsive liar? I really don't know how it works so I'm just curious here. Either way, I'm sure one of you are scum. Obviously, all your conversations could be easily set up or manipulated. Unless you can give any real evidence, you're going down. Especially beary509.
BBG: I received to further PM that night, besides an "acknowledged" from Gandalf. Even Beary's came late, but the first time, nothing at all.
Trundle: I couldn't remember. I lied to you because I was scared and felt backed into a corner. If I honestly told you, who would believe me? All I know is it was a strong player that I felt was a valuable asset to town.
As for me being a compulsive liar, that means I will lie for no reason sometimes. Obviously, lying to you will help my case none, but I did anyway, knowing that, because I am a compulsive liar. Furthermore; you're right. I have no evidence at all with which to defend myself. It may appear to be in the best interests of the town that I am lynched. I am not going to say that a lynch on me would be "wasted," but it would not help the town either.
As for Beary, it is entirely possible that she has tricked me. I do not believe she is Mafia, but I have no definite proof.
Point 1, if you're taking notes
-beary509 said that her original role PM was Detective, and then was switched to townie.
-Oath2Order told Superpenguin that beary509 was "not smart enough" to come up with that on her own, therefore she must be town
-When I mentioned beary509 to Superpenguin, he told me this, and oath2order told me at a separate time later. Flaws with this
-If beary509 is mafia, her mafia buddies could have told her to share that story, or she could actually have gotten the first PM detective, and her second (the real) role PM was scum. How does this prove anything? All it really does is prove that Oath somewhat defended Beary, just like Karla "defended" Jubs and whoever the other person was on his short list.
Point 2
-As stated earlier in the game, beary509 has been acting way differently than she has any other game. Usually kind and apologetic, she is harsh and quick to react. So? This does not really prove anything except for the fact that she has had a little mood change and life is affecting her, like Mary said. Also, in Mafia IV, she was very timid and shy, but she was really, I don't know, serious, not like this game.
-If beary509 really was a townie like she claimed, she wouldn't be so stressed over dying of such a small role. Sure, she would try to defend herself, but really, she has been giving short, stupid posts all game and has not contributed at all. More of a distraction than anything, just like the mafia should aim to be. How much do I have to stress that, as Dwarves, our analytical powers are just as important as everyone else's? As long as we are able to pinpoint the right people, then we can kill all of you off theough our daily lynches! She has been a distraction every game that she has played in, and has only once been Mafia, in which she screwed up anyways.
May I also point out this from Kayla:
It's not so much desperate to stay alive, rather helping you guys not waste a lynch by defending myself and trying to show you guys that you're about to make a mistake.
Also, Mafioso do not aim to be distractions. If we were to pinpoint distractions throughout this whole game, and they were all Mafia, Kayla would have been Mafia. I would be Mafia. They aim to appear either pro-town or silent; pro-town is self-explanatory, and silence just allows them to pass by.
Point 3
-Shortly after I mentioned oath2order and beary509 at the end of Day 2, oath2order quickly switched his vote to beary509. At first, this seems like a way to show that he is in no way affiliated with beary509. Knowing oath2order's play style, this was definitely made in attempt to confuse us as a town. This is where I think you screwed up. The only other time Oath has been Mafia was in Game III, and he was really agressive during this time, contrasting with this game. So, what does this mean? There was no real suspicious activity that Oath exhibited publicly on Day 1. There could be two things that you are doing right now:
(1) Lying, as SP is not here to confirm.
(2) Telling the truth, but being all too willing to throw a fellow Mafioso under Dolby's Bus to get trust.
The question: Was he doing this to try to frame beary509? If you look at it in this angle, I am presuming that it was a double bluff (don't get lost here). All in all, he wanted to made us think he was trying to frame beary509, while he was doing this in order to defend beary509. If you don't understand, just skip this. So, what about triple bluffs? This is basically a Wine-in-Front-of-Me situation.
Final Notes
-For some reason, beary509 has seem to come to think I'm scum. While this is cute, it doesn't work. I think you are underestimating us.
In this game, I have worked with Superpenguin to shoot oath2order (Superpenguin tried to shoot Night One, but was roleblocked) To me, this looks like more of a sacrificial offering that you have made about your fellow peer. Also, if, by chance, Mary is Mafia, then it will be another friendly sacrifice.
I have not held back at all this game. You held back until the near-end of night. Thus, this is a false statement.
Also, this:
As you've seen from my posts, I'm not afraid of dying and I'm showing that by maximizing my role as a Dwarf. None of my actions this game have been scummy in any way.
-To the Detectives that were working with iLoveYou and Tom, please either come to me or one of the people you inspected. I know one of you inspected people last night that you can go to and trust. If you found someone that came up mafia, please try to get it to me so I can organize their death tonight. Please don't do this. Please.
If you have any questions, feel free. I encourage beary509 to make a defense. Funny how you encourage her to make a defense, but all you want to do is rip it to shreds, then make everything look as if it were obviously evidence.
In Red Revolution, there are 2-3 posts containing beary509's anger after people discussing/accusing her. If you look through any other game, beary does not do this. Instead, she is very apologetic, easy-going, and laughable.
Yes, true. But, that is 2-3 posts, and these posts aren't even numerous. And, she still is laughable. She isn't angry; more dejected, and maybe a little mad because you are accusing her for hardly a good reason.
This jumped out at me in the Search Results.
He agrees with the person he knows is Godfather, then is okay with lynching a person he knows is Town, as she is not Mafia.
beary, I've got my eye on you. You're acting a lot differently than you normally do. Keep high suspicion on beary, and if you want to see, check her posts from non mafia games compared to this one.
Nobody else but Trundle brought this up. Yeah, she was acting a lot differently then she normally was, but, it's Mafia, she was actually trying to contribute, and you put her down for it, here:
You haven't been making any resourceful posts this game, actually. All you have been doing is voting "by your gut" and arguing with Dolby about posting.
Bandwagoning is an issue, depending on the circumstances. Say, if a good player were to accuse someone (Karla accusing Dolby), then all of us Town are willing to go after the good player's suspicions, whether they really make sense or not, because we are afraid to be accused ourselves.
Also, did anyone notice earlier how eager beary509 was to change the topic of iLoveYou earlier? It amused me, and it only adds to my suspicion. Hopefully the actions will be sent in soon and Day 2 will hit.
This is more proof that he suspected Kayla, as she was a good player, who was a great threat against the Mafia.
Also, as I stated above, Trundle contradicted himself. He said he has not held back all game, but then posted this the night before, also posted above:
Lastly, Trundle was not protected Night 1.
According to Mary:
Mary - Today 07:56 PM Report
No.
I lied to Trundle because I couldn't remember and was nervous.
I can see why this would make me look suspicious.
I still cannot remember entirely. It was a player I felt was a valuable asset to the town, most likely BBG.
I received an "acknowledged" pm from Gandalf, but no further info.
And, he said he was targeted.
So, I bet that Trundle is Mafia.
@Mary
If you're telling the truth when you say you protected me, shouldn't the pm you sent Gandalf to protect be in your Sent Items folder of your inbox?
Unless you deleted it and got rid of it ;;
@Mary
If you're telling the truth when you say you protected me, shouldn't the pm you sent Gandalf to protect be in your Sent Items folder of your inbox?
Unless you deleted it and got rid of it ;;
*Okay*
I seem to have sent message receipts disabled or some such, because the only items I have in there are ancient.
I might have done that a while ago to prevent it from filling up so quickly. (If that's even possible.)
So...
I know I was wrong about Prin and all, and mistakes are made, non? But...
*cracks knuckles* Shoutout to beary for this!
Trundle, how are you?
First, I'll point out flaws in your little case against Beary, then proceed with my own case against you.
For lack of a better name...
Yes, true. But, that is 2-3 posts, and these posts aren't even numerous. And, she still is laughable. She isn't angry; more dejected, and maybe a little mad because you are accusing her for hardly a good reason.
Now, let's present my case.
Trundle
This jumped out at me in the Search Results.
He agrees with the person he knows is Godfather, then is okay with lynching a person he knows is Town, as she is not Mafia.
Nobody else but Trundle brought this up. Yeah, she was acting a lot differently then she normally was, but, it's Mafia, she was actually trying to contribute, and you put her down for it, here:
How the heck is this evidence that he's mafia? Pretty much every suspected town agreed that beary was acting extremely suspicious and making crap posts.
If voting by your gut is bandwagoning, then this holds true to Beary. Also, you said this in the same post:
???
You could say the exact same thing to Superpenguin.
But, you then proceed to say this, contradicting what you said above:
If you compare beary's posts to SP's you'll find that SP actually had things to say instead of splattering verbal diarrhea all of the page, and didn't post crap like "OMG KilL Trundle!11!!!". SP was aggressive but not ********.
Bandwagoning is an issue, depending on the circumstances. Say, if a good player were to accuse someone (Karla accusing Dolby), then all of us Town are willing to go after the good player's suspicions, whether they really make sense or not, because we are afraid to be accused ourselves.
When good evidence is presented, we shouldn't be able to accept it and vote for the same person? Are you freaking kidding me?
This is more proof that he suspected Kayla, as she was a good player, who was a great threat against the Mafia.
Also, as I stated above, Trundle contradicted himself. He said he has not held back all game, but then posted this the night before, also posted above:
Lastly, Trundle was not protected Night 1.
According to Mary:
Mary - Today 07:56 PM Report
No.
I lied to Trundle because I couldn't remember and was nervous.
I can see why this would make me look suspicious.
I still cannot remember entirely. It was a player I felt was a valuable asset to the town, most likely BBG.
I received an "acknowledged" pm from Gandalf, but no further info.
And, he said he was targeted.
So, I bet that Trundle is Mafia.
