Mafia TBT Mafia VI: Faithful June [Game Over/Town Win]

[KermitTea]

It feels like to me that now you're trying to divert some of the attention from yourself to other players, Superpenguin.
You were the one who led us to lynch ITYW, you should take some blame. What does our "willingness" have to do with anything? Are you trying to suggest that since I was willing to lynch Waffles that I'm scum? Why did you compile that list of people willing to lynch waffles, when you were the one that wanted her dead most? Technically, everyone who voted for Waffles was willing to lynch her. Also, if I remember, oath2order quickly agreed that he could see lynching waffles as well. I can find the quote.
I already said Day 1 I was going to bandwagon and fill in the majority vote because there's no evidence. Even without my vote, Waffles would have been lynched in the end. I admit that I was suspicious of Waffles (she said something like, "If I were scum why would I say this") but that doesn't mean I was willing to lynch her. Ultimately, you were the one who pushed everyone to vote for her.

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I guess you could summarize the above into: What is your motivation of compiling a list of players who was most willing to lynch ITookYourWaffles?

 

[Superpenguin]

It feels like to me that now you're trying to divert some of the attention from yourself to other players, Superpenguin.
You were the one who led us to lynch ITYW, you should take some blame. What does our "willingness" have to do with anything? Are you trying to suggest that since I was willing to lynch Waffles that I'm scum? Why did you compile that list of people willing to lynch waffles, when you were the one that wanted her dead most? Technically, everyone who voted for Waffles was willing to lynch her. Also, if I remember, oath2order quickly agreed that he could see lynching waffles as well. I can find the quote.
I already said Day 1 I was going to bandwagon and fill in the majority vote because there's no evidence. Even without my vote, Waffles would have been lynched in the end. I admit that I was suspicious of Waffles (she said something like, "If I were scum why would I say this") but that doesn't mean I was willing to lynch her. Ultimately, you were the one who pushed everyone to vote for her.

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I guess you could summarize the above into: What is your motivation of compiling a list of players who was most willing to lynch ITookYourWaffles?

To start looking at players who are willing to bandwagon and get non-scum lynched. I did take blame for the lynch, oh well, it happened, it's done.
Oath isn't scum. If he has been lying to me, I'll find out Day 2, though. Lynn was very resistant in voting Waffles. It's just some names I chose. I am not accusing you of scum, just something I noticed.

 

[Ashtot]

It feels like to me that now you're trying to divert some of the attention from yourself to other players, Superpenguin.
You were the one who led us to lynch ITYW, you should take some blame. What does our "willingness" have to do with anything? Are you trying to suggest that since I was willing to lynch Waffles that I'm scum? Why did you compile that list of people willing to lynch waffles, when you were the one that wanted her dead most? Technically, everyone who voted for Waffles was willing to lynch her. Also, if I remember, oath2order quickly agreed that he could see lynching waffles as well. I can find the quote.
I already said Day 1 I was going to bandwagon and fill in the majority vote because there's no evidence. Even without my vote, Waffles would have been lynched in the end. I admit that I was suspicious of Waffles (she said something like, "If I were scum why would I say this") but that doesn't mean I was willing to lynch her. Ultimately, you were the one who pushed everyone to vote for her.

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I guess you could summarize the above into: What is your motivation of compiling a list of players who was most willing to lynch ITookYourWaffles?

He's not responsible for everyone else voting, he didn't even have any evidence and you all followed through.

 

[KermitTea]

He's not responsible for everyone else voting, he didn't even have any evidence and you all followed through.

Here's something he came up with:

~*~ Let's look at Waffles's posts! ~*~

Side Note: All Quotes have been edited so I could actually understand what was being said. ~*~



~*~ Basically, Waffles wants to lynch a player who has never been mafia in a past game. I'm not going to lie, this is a good idea, it's one of the reasons why I figured lynching Trundle in MM2 would be a good plan. However, the roles were given out randomly, so I'd like it if we didn't lynch someone on this criteria. Plus, as mafia, Waffles, would be able to know if her scum team has any new scum players or not. Just by telling us to lynch a player who has yet to be mafia could save her entire team. ~*~

~*~ However, here is a list of players yet to be mafia if we do want to go this route:
Reverie,
PurplPanda
Blue Rose
ITookYourWaffles
Kippla
Tsundere
Jawille
Jeremy
Prin
Ashtot

~*~ That's quite a long list, thus would be a shot in the dark using it to decide a lynch. ~*~

~*~ Now, look at the stuff I bolded in the quote. This is just a rehashed defense by previous other players in past games. Basically, Waffles accused herself in her plan, and felt guilty about it, so she felt the need she should defend herself right away. By defending herself saying "We should lynch a player who has yet to be mafia, but hey, that's not me," she's basically acting like she is contributing an idea, and then completely dismissing it. ~*~



~*~ Ladies and Gentleman, the new Hikari! ~*~

~*~ Seriously, what did you hope you would accomplish in just restating everything that has been said. It was pointless to do and you were just looking for a way to contribute without actually contributing. ~*~



~*~ A big thing about Waffles even if she is not scum is she gets in the way of progress really easily. She will take pity on anyone up for lynch for any reason. Sorry, hon, but we don't care if players have been unable to play for five years, let alone five games, if they deserve the lynch, they are getting it, and you are just in the way ~*~



~*~ Why can't you go get the information to defend Farobi with yourself? Why do you need to tell others to go and see for themselves?

~*~ And here you are just saying how we should avoid lynching lurkers, yet fail to give an alternative name. You just ask for everyone else to give you a better reason to lynch an inactive. Why didn't you suggest a different non-lurker name? It's only your idea at this point, anyway, so if one those names will be brought up, it would be by you. Just make sure you have "solid infos" on them ~*~



~*~ I'm still curious as to why Waffles seems to think I am a vig. I don't really see this as she just picked a role out of the list and assumed it was mine, I'm sure she found it out somehow or by someone ~*~

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Oath2Order's:

~*~we have succeeded~*~



~*~Supersenpai I follow your vote waffles does look pretty scummy. good call on noticing she takes pity easily. it's annoying and I mean it could be helpful if I'm up for lynh but it'll interfere with night 2

SP's reply to Lunatics question "Anyways, if ITYW is the vet, I might change my vote. The vet is a good thing to keep around, no?"

~*~ Only whne it's a mafia target. ~*~
~*~ You have to think about WHO has the role, not just what that role is ~*~
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~*~ Mafia just needs t equal Town, so they can keep several people alive in doing that, like Waffles. ~*~
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~*~ I wanna see Waffles get lynched! If she's a Vet, she is useless! She is totes Mafia! ~*~
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I would still like Waffles for lynch to be taken seriously. Maybe you thought I wa sjoking, but I really think we should lynch her.

Seriosuly, guys, we can't just take Waffles word on her claim. This is just us saying "Oh, you say your are important to us. Yikes, don't want you dead. We'll let you live and lynch someone else even though you REALLY deserve to be lynched right now!"

~*~ I don't even know what Waffles is claiming to be anymore. She's so random and eneds to be ended. ~*~
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That's not even it. I think that after 10+ pages of all this lynch waffles stuff, anyone would be sick of it and just vote Waffles to get it over and done with.

 

[Ashtot]

Here's something he came up with:




Oath2Order's:




SP's reply to Lunatics question "Anyways, if ITYW is the vet, I might change my vote. The vet is a good thing to keep around, no?"












That's not even it. I think that after 10+ pages of all this lynch waffles stuff, anyone would be sick of it and just vote Waffles to get it over and done with.

Most of that was trolling and he didn't have any real reasoning, it was pretty much just made up because he was ticked off at Waffles.

 

[KermitTea]

Most of that was trolling and he didn't have any real reasoning, it was pretty much just made up because he was ticked off at Waffles.

I'm just saying that, he is partly responsible for us voting. Some of his reasoning did sound pretty legit to me, but that's probably because I'm a noob.

~*~ All it is is a claim. There is no guaranteed truth in it. ~*~
~*~ This is why I don't understand people roleclaiming publicly unless they are scum. ~*~

~*~ Look at Waffles and tell me if you think she would be able to shoot red. ~*~
She was scared of being lynched, thus roleclaimed. If she was town, she would've tried everything else in her power to avoid the lynch especially since it was like 12 hours away. When I wa sup for lynch last game, I roleclaimed privately to one person considering the lynch wa sin two hours despite players' requests for me to roleclaim to me. ~*~

That's because she used her last resort, a roleclaim, as her first means of defense.

Anyways, thats over and done with. Moving on.

This wouldn't have happened if Waffle didn't roleclaim:

Also, she didn't claim vigilante, she claimed Veteran. Either way, you're all ruining the game by not listening to what I said when I told people not to claim. Before we hit Day 2, I'm sure 2-3 blue roles will already be dead. Because you guys didn't listen to me, these last 16 pages have been full of spam and a clear path of winning for the mafia.

I'm not saying that we should 100% completely listen to Trundle, but its some good advice after seeing what happened to Waffles.

 

[Ashtot]

I'm just saying that, he is partly responsible for us voting. Some of his reasoning did sound pretty legit to me, but that's probably because I'm a noob.






Anyways, thats over and done with. Moving on.

This wouldn't have happened if Waffle didn't roleclaim:



I'm not saying that we should 100% completely listen to Trundle, but its some good advice after seeing what happened to Waffles.

I definitely think we should %100 listen to Trundle, he's always sane and knows what he's doing, his reasoning is spot on, and he can carry a game as a townie.

 

[KermitTea]

I definitely think we should %100 listen to Trundle, he's always sane and knows what he's doing, his reasoning is spot on, and he can carry a game as a townie.

Isn't trundle like your brother? Of course you'd listen to him. But how do we know he's not mafia.
Potentially, both of you could be mafia together. You can't trust anyone here fully. But I do think he has some good reasoning.

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Feel free to trust whoever you want

 

[Ashtot]

Isn't trundle like your brother? Of course you'd listen to him. But how do we know he's not mafia.
Potentially, both of you could be mafia together. You can't trust anyone here fully. But I do think he has some good reasoning.

We can read each other extremely well, we can easily tell if each other are lying, since we're living in the same house, but that's not the reason. His posts are always great, and he's generally always right, I think that's reason enough to trust him, he's easily one of the best players if not the best in Mafia as a whole.

 

[iLoveYou]

Doctors I am asking that you do not protect any strong player tonight. With all of these roleclaims that came out, the list has already been narrowed down to the point where we need a strong player to die to confirm a potential Mafia player. Any strong player that dies tonight will help in confirming the Mafia's strongest player.

Doctors I ask you to not protect any strong player tonight. It doesn't matter how much they beg, because any of their deaths will confirm a potential Mafia player. Please do not protect them. If the Mafia is gutsy enough to strike against us then their strongest player should be revealed as early as tomorrow.

I am not 100% confident this player is Mafia, but just do not protect a strong player tonight.

 

[EpicGamer12]

I have to be honest, guys.
In this game, we're obviously going to lynch incorrectly a few times. It happens every game (oath will laugh because he makes fun of me). That doesn't mean that you have jump on the person who led the lynch. Just because you decided to blindly follow doesn't mean the leader did a bad job. Especially during Day 1. If people decided to kill me after my first bad lynch in Mafia V, the mafia would have easily won the game. We need to let go of the blue lynching. As you all have probably already seen, there is way less spam already in the game. What we did is helping the town get our heads together, so don't make it bad again by transferring blame. That is exactly what mafia wants.

✮✮PLAN✮✮
I propose that for the duration of the Night, to not make any one or two line posts. Minimum 1 paragraph, and make cases if you have suspicions on someone. We need to start to bring up our options for Day 2. If you want to discuss with someone why you disagree with what they post, make one lengthy, organized post. Think about what you are going to say, get your thoughts together, and then make the post. Look for any questions you may have about each thing they said all at once, not in separate posts. I believe that anyone who is pro-town this game will follow this plan.

Doctors: I agree with what iLoveYou said for the most part, but use your own discernment when it comes to who you think will be targeted tonight. I think that if the mafia thought I was blue, I'd be dead tonight, but I'm sure they've realized by now that I'm a townie, which really gives them no real need to kill me other than being a "strong player". If you are a new player and are a Doctor, try to contact someone that you trust. Do not contact anyone like LittleBeary, Blu Rose, or iLoveYou (sorry).

Vigilantes: Try your best not to shoot tonight. No one is confirmed mafia yet and we don't have enough evidence considered how low the skill level of most the players is. If you want to shoot someone, please, again, contact them.

 

[toastia]

So, we're all going after SP because he was responsible for the death of Waffles? SP wasn't the entire reason waffles was lynched, he just supported most of the evidence. Appearently, we lynch people because they were wrong and hit town! OMG!

 

[Superpenguin]

Doctors I am asking that you do not protect any strong player tonight. With all of these roleclaims that came out, the list has already been narrowed down to the point where we need a strong player to die to confirm a potential Mafia player. Any strong player that dies tonight will help in confirming the Mafia's strongest player.

Doctors I ask you to not protect any strong player tonight. It doesn't matter how much they beg, because any of their deaths will confirm a potential Mafia player. Please do not protect them. If the Mafia is gutsy enough to strike against us then their strongest player should be revealed as early as tomorrow.

I am not 100% confident this player is Mafia, but just do not protect a strong player tonight.

But if a targeted storng player gets protected, they will be told they are protected, and thus be confirmed innocent without dying. I agree with Trundle; if a Doctor thinks a strong player is a target, protect them, as them dying isn't the only way to confirm them.

 

[iLoveYou]

Doctors, do not protect any strong players at all tonight. Doctors protect yourselves, how about that? We really need at least one strong player to die tonight to potentially confirm the Mafia's strongest player.

Jawile you need to send in your shot tonight. Prin you need to inspect someone tonight. You two publicly roleclaimed so you have no choice.

 

[Lauren]

Sorry guys I'm unable to post until tomorrow as I am at the other end of my contry (for the English I'm in the south) it's an army thing, family going away to different countries so I can't really say no, I will have a good old read tomorrow. Sorry. Don't hate me.

 

[iLoveYou]

But if a targeted storng player gets protected, they will be told they are protected, and thus be confirmed innocent without dying. I agree with Trundle; if a Doctor thinks a strong player is a target, protect them, as them dying isn't the only way to confirm them.

What happens if the doctors protect this potential Mafia player? With two doctors ( I assume ) the chances are too high for them to protect Mafia.

Let the strong players die. We can confirm the Mafia's strongest player by tomorrow hopefully.

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Mafia only have 3 KP. There will be at least 2 strong players left. It'll be very easy to pinpoint the strongest Mafia player from there.

 

[Elijo]

Sorry guys I'm unable to post until tomorrow as I am at the other end of my contry (for the English I'm in the south) it's an army thing, family going away to different countries so I can't really say no, I will have a good old read tomorrow. Sorry. Don't hate me.

It's alright! We understand. I hope your trip goes smoothly Lauren! I apoligise for my disappearance once again, but today I have no excuse not to be here. I have very little chores and homework to finish, so I can easily multitask.

Anyways, I suggest that the detectives inspect one strong player, and one lurker. (If there are two detectives at least.) We have no idea whether we have a strong mafia against us or not.

 

[EpicGamer12]

What happens if the doctors protect this potential Mafia player? With two doctors ( I assume ) the chances are too high for them to protect Mafia.

Let the strong players die. We can confirm the Mafia's strongest player by tomorrow hopefully.

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Mafia only have 3 KP. There will be at least 2 strong players left. It'll be very easy to pinpoint the strongest Mafia player from there.

I'm going to be the first one to say, I don't agree with what you're saying. The mafia could easily just leave certain strong players alive to try to confuse us (or all of them alive). Not protecting strong players because you could protect mafia doesn't matter either because who is going to be hitting mafia tonight? No one is, unless we have really smart vigs on our side. As we already know, one vig is a completely new and confused player.

 

[iLoveYou]

I'm going to be the first one to say, I don't agree with what you're saying. The mafia could easily just leave certain strong players alive to try to confuse us (or all of them alive). Not protecting strong players because you could protect mafia doesn't matter either because who is going to be hitting mafia tonight? No one is, unless we have really smart vigs on our side. As we already know, one vig is a completely new and confused player.

Let's put it this way then: any strong player on the Mafia's side will not want strong players to die? So they can hide. Doctors absolutely better refrain from protecting strong players tonight. Do not do it. Protect yourselves instead.

Any amount of strong players that die tonight ( whether it be 1 or 2 will confirm a potential strong Mafia player ). It has to be done. Think about it.

Doctors whoever you are, trust me, do not protect any strong player as ypu may be potentially protecting the Mafia's player.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Let's put it this way then: any strong player on the Mafia's side will not want strong players to die? So they can hide. Doctors absolutely better refrain from protecting strong players tonight. Do not do it. Protect yourselves instead.

Any amount of strong players that die tonight ( whether it be 1 or 2 will confirm a potential strong Mafia player ). It has to be done. Think about it.

Doctors whoever you are, trust me, do not protect any strong player as ypu may be potentially protecting the Mafia's player.

So, basically what you're saying is let the doctor be rendered useless? If you think the mafia is going to strike strong players, and don't want the doctors to protect them, then who they are going to protect are people who won't be hit. I really don't understand where this is coming from, because obviously we need strong players in this game in order to win. If we don't have any, it will be the last 30 pages all over again. People will have no control, mindlessly accusing others. Also, what if there are a lot of strong players with blue roles? Just let the blues die? What you're saying doesn't make any sense. I suggest you disregard iLoveYou, because she's coocoo.