Mafia TBT Mafia X: The Honnō-ji Incident [Game Over/Town Win]

[sn0wxyuki]

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Spoiler: alise on the board

First of all, I'd like to say that I'm not convinced that Tom is scum just yet because as Ash pointed out, he doesn't seem to be acting any differently to me. Although, his post asking to be checked did seem kind of scummy to a lot of people. It's possible that he just wants a change of playing style to make it less obvious for future games when they're mafia, however I kind of doubt that.


I'd just like to bring up alise for the moment. Firstly, here's a post from them earlier:

They said they didn't see how Andel was acting scummy (and I'm not saying they seem scummy for not hopping on the bandwagon right away either, because I think it's good to share your opinions!). They didn't say much about leaning towards voting for Trundle either, however I guess that's understandable since they were going to be late.


Then they seem more open with the idea of lynching Andel now, and mention Farobi. On the subject of Farobi, I think that he could be scared mafia who wants to avoid posting in my opinion (considering they've been active on the rest of the forum).

To me, it could be possible that they could be defending their mafia team since, firstly they kind of back up Andel, and then when it seems that there's no way Andel can get out of the lynch, they decide to change their opinion to avoid looking scummy. Then, if Farobi did turn out to be scum, then it would make alise look suspicious in my eyes, because of a similar reason. Just a thought.

The rest of their posts are one liners or don't contribute to the game much.

If this makes me look like a hypocrite or is completely flawed, then I'm sorry. I thought it'd be better safe than sorry.

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Oh, and how did I never see the option to search a thread until today? -.-

 

[oath2order]

SP was one of the first to vote for her. But I doubt they would try converting alise. Converting Karla seems much more logical.

Unless if they maybe didn't convert Karla? Maybe they did someone random? idk

 

[Alice]

Unless if they maybe didn't convert Karla? Maybe they did someone random? idk

Converting the stronger players first would be a bit of a bold move, no? I suppose it would make sense, however. Karla is really bad for scum.

 

[Jeremy]

Let's talk about what shooting SP during the day would mean for our alise lynch. If SP turns out to be town, it doesn't really change anything or possibly supports lynching her a bit more. If he turns out to be cult leader, same thing. If he's mafia, does it clear alise?

 

[Jeremy]

Converting the stronger players first would be a bit of a bold move, no? I suppose it would make sense, however. Karla is really bad for scum.

It wouldn't be bold, it would be smart.

 

[oath2order]

Let's talk about what shooting SP during the day would mean for our alise lynch. If SP turns out to be town, it doesn't really change anything or possibly supports lynching her a bit more. If he turns out to be cult leader, same thing. If he's mafia, does it clear alise?

In Biomafia, he did bring up the names of at least one scum member as a lynch candidate, so it definitely shows he will bring up his own scum team for lynch if needed.

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The one person he specifically mentioned was Cory, his Mafia Doctor.

 

[Alice]

It wouldn't be bold, it would be smart.

Perhaps, but you'd think at least someone would check the stronger players. Especially a strong voice like Karla. In safari, they sniped the inactives.

 

[Cory]

In Biomafia, he did bring up the names of at least one scum member as a lynch candidate, so it definitely shows he will bring up his own scum team for lynch if needed.

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The one person he specifically mentioned was Cory, his Mafia Doctor.

I get sacrificed often when I'm mafia. Another example is mmIII with Tina.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Ok I missed Lunatic counterclaiming SP. That certainly changes things, I wonder how he'll explain himself out of that.

I'm very fenced about alise. On one hand she's trying, even if her cases aren't particularly good. For instance, this post:

We have yet to see this case, and this post isn't helpful. A. Earlier, wasn't Karen a townie? That mean's Gallows must be town. However, if Karen was scum, Gallows would be scum. We could find this out by lynching Gallows, but he does not seem scummy at all to me. B. Why would Karen rat out her own mafia member if she was scum, and why would Andel tell Karen she was scum {maybe because she was leaving the game? When did she quit?} I think if Karen was town she'd obviously tell some town members. So many questions!

The part about lynching Gallows to find out makes no sense. If you townread him (and you should), why do you want to lynch him? He isn't suspicious enough, and there aren't split camps regarding his alignment to make it worth lynching him either. However, poor reasoning like this isn't a Mafia-only trait. She's still doing better than a lot of other people currently in the game. That she at one point townread scum (Andel), and is now scumreading Purpl and Superpenguin is concerning.
Purpl's play makes it easy for any alignment to mislynch him though. I think Trundle said he thinks one of Superpenguin and alise is definitely scum. If I had to shoot one of them right now, I'd shoot Superpenguin.

From my understanding though, the Ronin shot hits at lynch time, so we'll have to lynch without the information that gives.

 

[Jeremy]

Do Ronin kills go through asap or at the end of the day?

 

[Jeremy]

So Karla, what do you think of SP now that you saw his lie? Do you think he's scummy or just being dumb about who he talks to?

 

[KarlaKGB]

You are masterless and free from the usual rules regarding actions. Once per game you can PM the host with the name of a player you wish to kill during the daytime. Your hit will not be refunded if it overlaps with the lynch target, so stay alert. Even if you yourself are lynched your hit will still go through - veterans, medics, roleblockers, and the elected roles cannot interfere with your hit which means you are guaranteed a 100% success rate.

It would be redundant to mention what happens if it overlaps with the lynch target if the Ronin kill instantly hammers the target

 

[Jeremy]

Also, I forgot to mention that I briefly PMed makkine / alise last night in IRC. I highly doubt they are on the same team unless they are both town. She pretty much jumped on the idea of voting for SP when I brought it up.

 

[KarlaKGB]

So Karla, what do you think of SP now that you saw his lie? Do you think he's scummy or just being dumb about who he talks to?

I don't think you just forget who you've roleclaimed to. It's incredibly stupid not to keep track of who knows what. But I've consistently townread him up to this point. He directed a blue to talk to me, saying I could be trusted. I see this from two perspectives:
1) Scummy that he can clear me like that. However, if he's cult leader which is what you think he is, then he couldn't be sure of my innocence. The alternative is, he's innocent or cult and he townread me. This is a likely scenario.

2) The fact that he directed a blue to me is pro-town play. There's no doubt about that. It's possible that he did it to appear pro-town, but occam's razor leads me to believe he genuinely is pro-town.

I still totally understand his reluctance to roleclaim to you. It's his lie that gets me. He hasn't responded to Lunatic's claims yet so I want him to shed some light on that. We still have over 24 hours.

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Makkine is alise?

 

[Alice]

I don't think you just forget who you've roleclaimed to. It's incredibly stupid not to keep track of who knows what. But I've consistently townread him up to this point. He directed a blue to talk to me, saying I could be trusted. I see this from two perspectives:
1) Scummy that he can clear me like that. However, if he's cult leader which is what you think he is, then he couldn't be sure of my innocence. The alternative is, he's innocent or cult and he townread me. This is a likely scenario.

2) The fact that he directed a blue to me is pro-town play. There's no doubt about that. It's possible that he did it to appear pro-town, but occam's razor leads me to believe he genuinely is pro-town.

I still totally understand his reluctance to roleclaim to you. It's his lie that gets me. He hasn't responded to Lunatic's claims yet so I want him to shed some light on that. We still have over 24 hours.

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Makkine is alise?

Yes, Makkine is Alise.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Also can whoever saved me last night PM me?

 

[Jeremy]

I don't think you just forget who you've roleclaimed to. It's incredibly stupid not to keep track of who knows what. But I've consistently townread him up to this point. He directed a blue to talk to me, saying I could be trusted. I see this from two perspectives:
1) Scummy that he can clear me like that. However, if he's cult leader which is what you think he is, then he couldn't be sure of my innocence. The alternative is, he's innocent or cult and he townread me. This is a likely scenario.

2) The fact that he directed a blue to me is pro-town play. There's no doubt about that. It's possible that he did it to appear pro-town, but occam's razor leads me to believe he genuinely is pro-town.

I still totally understand his reluctance to roleclaim to you. It's his lie that gets me. He hasn't responded to Lunatic's claims yet so I want him to shed some light on that. We still have over 24 hours.

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Makkine is alise?

What do you agree about his reluctance exactly? The only threat to his role is if my bodyguard dies. So I am literally the safest person to claim to in the game, yet he refused to talk to me and lied to me by saying he isn't claiming to anyone. Yet then he claims to people who are unknown and unconfirmed to him.

 

[KarlaKGB]

His reluctance to give you his role, because it might leak beyond you. I know you've said that you aren't sharing them with anyone, but these things still have a way of leaking. Also, there is still the small chance that you're godfather.

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Nobody's questioning the fact that you're the safest person to claim to, I guess he just doesn't think you're safe enough.

 

[Jeremy]

His reluctance to give you his role, because it might leak beyond you. I know you've said that you aren't sharing them with anyone, but these things still have a way of leaking. Also, there is still the small chance that you're godfather.

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Nobody's questioning the fact that you're the safest person to claim to, I guess he just doesn't think you're safe enough.

Well yeah, that's his contradiction. I'm the safest, yet not safe enough? Therefore no one would be safe. Yet, he has claimed to at least one person, probably more.

 

[KarlaKGB]

A) We don't know if he really claimed to Lunatic because he hasn't responded to that yet
B) We don't know if he claimed truthfully to Lunatic.

Lunatic said that SP asked him for his role, but didn't say if he gave it to him or not. There's something missing from Lunatic's account - from what he wrote, SP asked him for his role, then just volunteered his own? If this is an accurate account of what happens, then I highly doubt SP claimed truthfully.