Mafia TBT Mafia XIII: XCOM: Enemy Within (End Game - Town Wins!)

[Superpenguin]

You're the one claiming vig in PMs to Moron.


And no I wasn't idiot. The only PM I got was from Ashtot asking my role. You SPECIFICALLY know my role and that I'm XCOM Rookie?

- - - Post Merge - - -

SP as supposed "vig" you can shoot me, that's fine and dandy; however, don't try bull****ting saying that I was recruited.

Yeah. I'm not a vig. I was reaction testing Moron and he obviously went and blabbed to you unknown reasons. Moron can't be trusted. And considering he has no strong suspicions (enough to cast a vote as he told me in PM) which is similar to how he played as scum, I find Moron to be very suspicious right now.

 

[CookingOkasan]

If you're not mad then why are you using exclamation marks?

Capella, I know the screenshot thing scared you off, but I'm still not content with the exchange that you shared. You talked to Noodle for like 6 lines. I really can't see why Noodle would've included that exchange in her will unless she literally made her will as she was sending the first message to you or something... Oath was very open and clear with all of the pms between himself and Noodle and still can't shake the feeling that there is more to your conversation.

 

[Aerious]

Yeah. I'm not a vig. I was reaction testing Moron and he obviously went and blabbed to you unknown reasons. Moron can't be trusted. And considering he has no strong suspicions (enough to cast a vote as he told me in PM) which is similar to how he played as scum, I find Moron to be very suspicious right now.

LOL your reasoning is ****. Because you make an announcement in the thread that you know vig, make it apparent to scum in the thread that you probably are vig, and then blame Moron when he's sus of you? That is dumb as **** and I know you don't play this ****ty. You making it extremely apparent in threads and then outing as vig to someone who isn't confirmed town is enough to make ANYONE sus of you. You probably wanted Moron to trust you and then out his role so you'll know if he's a PR or not. Also, this isn't how Moron plays as scum and I have played mafia with him more than you.

 

[oath2order]

LOL your reasoning is ****. Because you make an announcement in the thread that you know vig, make it apparent to scum in the thread that you probably are vig, and then blame Moron when he's sus of you? That is dumb as **** and I know you don't play this ****ty. You making it extremely apparent in threads and then outing as vig to someone who isn't confirmed town is enough to make ANYONE sus of you. You probably wanted Moron to trust you and then out his role so you'll know if he's a PR or not. Also, this isn't how Moron plays as scum and I have played mafia with him more than you.

No. I didn't think Superpenguin was claiming vig. I mean, if he was going to claim vigilante, he would have done so. The fact that he hasn't leads me to believe he's a Vanilla Townie.

He was baiting Moron, something you seem to be okay with doing when it's your bait, but if someone else does it, you don't like it.

Interesting defense of Moron.

 

[Superpenguin]

LOL your reasoning is ****. Because you make an announcement in the thread that you know vig, make it apparent to scum in the thread that you probably are vig, and then blame Moron when he's sus of you? That is dumb as **** and I know you don't play this ****ty. You making it extremely apparent in threads and then outing as vig to someone who isn't confirmed town is enough to make ANYONE sus of you. You probably wanted Moron to trust you and then out his role so you'll know if he's a PR or not. Also, this isn't how Moron plays as scum and I have played mafia with him more than you.

Excuse me, but I am just an XCOM Rookie. I find it funny that it's alright for you to go out and reaction test other players, but as soon as I do it, it's a big fat no-no. And how the **** did I make it apparent that I was a vig in thread? That's not even possible considering I'M NOT A VIG so I don't even know what the **** you're talking about there. But that's no surprise because it's you and I never understand anything you do or say in mafia. Oh, I'm sorry, last time I wouldn't tell my role to Jer to Honno-Ji, I was killed even though Jer wasn't confirmed town. So what makes me suspicious? Telling my role to others, or not telling my roles to others, hmm?

And like just ****ing shut up. You and Moron are friends who cares. The only reason he tells you anything he finds out in PMs is because he is friends with you, not because he trusts you. He probably didn't tell you all the **** he told me about you. Like how you're crazy suspicious and that he supports you getting killed tonight. YET HE STILL ****ING TOLD YOU THAT I AM THE SUPPOSED VIG WHO IS SHOOTING YOU LIKE WTF MORON WTF WAS THAT LEAVE THE FRIENDSHIPS ATTHE DOOR I STG!

..Oh wow you played one whole extra game with Moron than I have. That totally means your opinion of his behavior THIS game is better than my opniion. Shut up, and go to bed, Aerious.

- - - Post Merge - - -

No. I didn't think Superpenguin was claiming vig. I mean, if he was going to claim vigilante, he would have done so. The fact that he hasn't leads me to believe he's a Vanilla Townie.

He was baiting Moron, something you seem to be okay with doing when it's your bait, but if someone else does it, you don't like it.

Interesting defense of Moron.

She defends him because they are friends. It's so annoying in mafia.

 

[Murray]

Noodle's will gave us two names, oath and capella. Although in no way does this make me believe that either/both is scum, their defence was interesting. Firstly, oath defended himself by posting the logs of their conversation, and being outright and honest. This defence was somewhat accepted or at least appreciated by most of the players, so therefore some stress was taken off of him. I believe that after the seeming success of oath's defence, capella tried the same thing. (I'm gonna pretend the screenshot was just a copy paste? I'm not sure how else to handle it). Capella rode the happy bandwagon that oath created, sharing with us a fragment of their conversation - a useless one at that; it's only purpose appearing to be, is that like oath, capella also has nothing to hide. The way I see it, this does not clear oath or even show evidence that he may be scum. But I believe due to capella using a poor copy of oath's defence to get the pressure off of her, that she is a baddie!

So at this point I'll be voting Capella.

[SIZE=-2](lol idk if any of that made sense)[/SIZE]

 

[Capella]

Capella, I know the screenshot thing scared you off, but I'm still not content with the exchange that you shared. You talked to Noodle for like 6 lines. I really can't see why Noodle would've included that exchange in her will unless she literally made her will as she was sending the first message to you or something... Oath was very open and clear with all of the pms between himself and Noodle and still can't shake the feeling that there is more to your conversation.

There isn't any more that has to do with this game.
Noodle and I talk about other things that are not related to mafia.
But we barely get the chance because of timezones

 

[Geoni]

I'll announce my reasons without hesitation: I trust the claim that Aerious is making and not the one that you're making to me. And you're trying to spin straw into gold with the whole 'he says he's not voting until he's suspicious enough to...just like he did in frozen so he's obvs maf'. The fact that you would try to use a little detail like that to try and get me lynched just tells me something about your place in this game, if only personally.

 

[Solar]

He is suspicious to me as well. I was on a Mafia team with Sataric in PoI and he was way way less aggressive than now. But that brings up a something else. Is Sataric changing his playstyle on purpose in order to make us think he has another role than mafia? Also the way he jumped on me earlier on was kind of alarming.

I'd like some thoughts on this if anybody has any since no one responded.

 

[oath2order]

Excuse me, but I am just an XCOM Rookie. I find it funny that it's alright for you to go out and reaction test other players, but as soon as I do it, it's a big fat no-no. And how the **** did I make it apparent that I was a vig in thread? That's not even possible considering I'M NOT A VIG so I don't even know what the **** you're talking about there. But that's no surprise because it's you and I never understand anything you do or say in mafia. Oh, I'm sorry, last time I wouldn't tell my role to Jer to Honno-Ji, I was killed even though Jer wasn't confirmed town. So what makes me suspicious? Telling my role to others, or not telling my roles to others, hmm?

And like just ****ing shut up. You and Moron are friends who cares. The only reason he tells you anything he finds out in PMs is because he is friends with you, not because he trusts you. He probably didn't tell you all the **** he told me about you. Like how you're crazy suspicious and that he supports you getting killed tonight. YET HE STILL ****ING TOLD YOU THAT I AM THE SUPPOSED VIG WHO IS SHOOTING YOU LIKE WTF MORON WTF WAS THAT LEAVE THE FRIENDSHIPS ATTHE DOOR I STG!

..Oh wow you played one whole extra game with Moron than I have. That totally means your opinion of his behavior THIS game is better than my opniion. Shut up, and go to bed, Aerious.

- - - Post Merge - - -



She defends him because they are friends. It's so annoying in mafia.

At least you and I don't play like that >.>

- - - Post Merge - - -

I'd like some thoughts on this if anybody has any since no one responded.

It's interesting, but I don't know what to make of it.

 

[Superpenguin]

I'll announce my reasons without hesitation: I trust the claim that Aerious is making and not the one that you're making to me. And you're trying to spin straw into gold with the whole 'he says he's not voting until he's suspicious enough to...just like he did in frozen so he's obvs maf'. The fact that you would try to use a little detail like that to try and get me lynched just tells me something about your place in this game, if only personally.

oh please. You know what you told me in PM. Saying you don't trust Aerious. That you were then more than ever sure that she was the townie who got converted. You're opinion isn't going to change back so suddenly, and it's only doing so because you and Aerious are friends or scum buddies. Either way, you and Aerious are a hazard to town when kept in the game together and I am debating which one of the two is best to lynch tonight. I'm going with you since Aerious is still expected to die at night.

 

[Aerious]

oh please. You know what you told me in PM. Saying you don't trust Aerious. That you were then more than ever sure that she was the townie who got converted. You're opinion isn't going to change back so suddenly, and it's only doing so because you and Aerious are friends or scum buddies. Either way, you and Aerious are a hazard to town when kept in the game together and I am debating which one of the two is best to lynch tonight. I'm going with you since Aerious is still expected to die at night.

[21:00] <Moron> watch me get lynched
[21:00] <Moron> It's hard to defend myself in this situation because SP is good at using little details apparently.
[21:01] <Moron> You should say in the thread that I admitted that I suspected you in PMs to you because you were wanting to be mafia, and that I didn't trust you entirely.

LOL it's because I ****ed him over in Frozen mafia and manipulated him and the whole scum team. Stop trying to take the blame off of yourself. ^_^

 

[Superpenguin]

[21:00] <Moron> watch me get lynched
[21:00] <Moron> It's hard to defend myself in this situation because SP is good at using little details apparently.
[21:01] <Moron> You should say in the thread that I admitted that I suspected you in PMs to you because you were wanting to be mafia, and that I didn't trust you entirely.

LOL it's because I ****ed him over in Frozen mafia and manipulated him and the whole scum team. Stop trying to take the blame off of yourself. ^_^

I don't even know wtf you are saying here. Like you have some half-assed quotes that don't even flow well. I don't evne know what point Moron is trying to make in the third one. I kinda get it, but the way it's worded is way too jacked up for anyone to understand correctly. and then apparently I have blame on myself which idk where it's from. (if that was even directed at me)

 

[Geoni]

I don't even know wtf you are saying here. Like you have some half-assed quotes that don't even flow well. I don't evne know what point Moron is trying to make in the third one. I kinda get it, but the way it's worded is way too jacked up for anyone to understand correctly. and then apparently I have blame on myself which idk where it's from. (if that was even directed at me)

It's pretty clear that the point I was trying to make there in that third quote is that I told her I had trust issues from the last game and didn't trust her honesty entirely. I even announced that I thought she was wanting to get recruited out here in the thread and that I thought it might have been her that got recruited. Post in question is right here: http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...in-(DAY-TWO)&p=3356289&viewfull=1#post3356289

I PM'd her what I did to get her reaction to your claim that you were vig and that you were going to shoot her.

 

[oath2order]

Ashtot wants me to share this.

[21:10:08] <Ashtot> can i forward you the pm
[21:10:11] <Ashtot> and you fix it cuz i dont know how
[21:10:14] <14oath2order> Sure
[21:12:52] <Ashtot> okay sent
[21:13:13] <14oath2order> do you want me to post it on the thread?
[21:13:19] <Ashtot> yeah you may as well

Spoiler: First Four

I actually have similar suspicions as you do, in case SP was telling the truth in the thread. I reckon Oath2Order, Tina, and Murray might be on a scum team together. CookingOkasan and MewMew are both acting very different this game from previous ones as well. If I die tonight, post this message in the thread please. I hope I am trusting the right person.

I'm convinced that either Tina or oath are scum.

They are working super close together. They tell each other everything. If one of them is scum, it's super likely that the other one is as well. Also, they have tried really hard to figure out if I was the jailor or not, and even faked an IRC conversation that they sent to another player to coerce that player to help them out. I cannot call them out on that though because it's possible that the other player is the one that faked it - I have no real proof. Still, keep your guard up - If I die tonight it's highly likely that they did it. Oath always kills me and Dolby Night one.

How do you know this though? Who's telling you this information?

Spoiler: Second Four

I was suspicious of Oath originally and I told Tina about that - I got town reads on her early on in the game. But then she defended him a little too much, if you know what I mean? But I pretended that I agreed with everything she said, and started asking her questions here and there. Like we'd be working together. But she would drop these little "baits" trying to get me to confess to a role or something along the way - It was kind of fishy. And the reason I think Murray might be with them is because Oath really defended her for "being active on the IRC" when normally he's very much against people who do not post at all in the thread. It just didn't fit with his normal playstyle. I jokingly asked Oath if he was a Townie and he did not reply at all - He ignored that part of the PM I sent him. (If he is one, why wouldn't he just say yes?)


Since no actions can be sent in anymore I can say that someone claimed to the Watcher to me pretty early, and they said they would follow Oath tonight, so I guess we'll know more soon. If they survive the night, that is! Anyways, don't mention any of this to Tina and Oath - It's best that they think that I trust them. They might keep giving me little bits of information that way.

Well are you the Jailer, and who is the Watcher? I can't trust you because you didn't even send me the convos between you and Tina.

On the odd chance that Tina is innocent, I would rather not give you full access to everything I know. I've given you plenty more than I've gotten from you in return, you know? You don't have to trust me, though - All I am saying is that I am suspicious of the same people that you are. That's it.

I'm not too suspicious of them after talking to them.

Spoiler: Final Four

Well, that is probably a good thing, because if they are scum then they likely killed me tonight. I am still far too young to die! What do you think about Tom, if I may ask? I heard someone say they think he's the Chryssalid.

I doubt he's a Chryssalid, I don't see how there is any evidence that he would be. Why exactly would you be targeted tonight? I'm not following your reasoning?

I don't know why, but Oath seems to think of me as his Nemesis or something. He killed me in both Mean Girls and in And then there was none.. and he PMed me afterwards both times and said he did it because "I was on to him, and would find out he was scum sooner or later if he didn't kill me". Meh.

 

[Aerious]

I don't even know wtf you are saying here. Like you have some half-assed quotes that don't even flow well. I don't evne know what point Moron is trying to make in the third one. I kinda get it, but the way it's worded is way too jacked up for anyone to understand correctly. and then apparently I have blame on myself which idk where it's from. (if that was even directed at me)

It was IRC messages to ME. He's saying he was suspicious of ME because he thought I was mafia.

 

[Geoni]

Okay I didn't announce that I thought she was trying to get recruited but agreed with what you said, which is basically, that: announcing that you think she got recruited to exalt.

 

[Superpenguin]

I PM'd her what I did to get her reaction to your claim that you were vig and that you were going to shoot her.

Uhm, she already knew she was getting shot it doesn't matter who is shooting her. That was a stupid reaction test, so I don't buy your excuse for it.

 

[Geoni]

Either way, you and Aerious are a hazard to town when kept in the game together and I am debating which one of the two is best to lynch tonight. I'm going with you since Aerious is still expected to die at night.

Also, what happened to debating whether to drive a lynch on Oath or NikkiNikki tonight, since you told me that Noodles got the same claim from both of them: Xcom heavy (roleblocker)? That obviously wasn't reaction testing.

 

[oath2order]

Also, what happened to debating whether to drive a lynch on Oath or NikkiNikki tonight, since you told me that Noodles got the same claim from both of them: Xcom heavy (roleblocker)? That obviously wasn't reaction testing.

I'm sorry, what? I never claimed XCOM Heavy, where are you getting that from?