ok, I agree with you that point two is invalid but I really think that you shouldn't start out by accusing a new player, first, they're new to the game, second they might not know how to defend themselves. As of point one, I get what you mean.
Mafia TBT Mini Mafia II: Catch Scum or Catch Scurvy [Game Over/Town Win]
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ok, I agree with you that point two is invalid but I really think that you shouldn't start out by accusing a new player, first, they're new to the game, second they might not know how to defend themselves. As of point one, I get what you mean.
It doesn't matter who FireNinja1 accuses, as long as he has information to back it up. If he doesn't, then we just simply ignore it. There's nothing wrong with aggressive behaviour but forcing people to create discussion at the start of the game is slightly rude, but nothing more. However, we need people to make discussion. You don't tell people to shut up, that's even more rude unless of course, they're spamming.
Waffles, on the other hand, is using somewhat different and strange behaviour from last game. However, I don't see her actions as scummy. She only made a silly action.
I would still like to know what the two think about your suspicions though.
Superpenguin
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Sooner they learn the ropes, the better.
EpicGamer12
Senior Member
Alright, I think you're all getting a bit out of control here. As town members, we need to be civilized and calm. We can't let the mafia make fools out of us, like they have before. At the beginning of every game I post about how town members should act. Posting is great, but don't lash out at each other. Don't post very many short, meaningless posts (like Fireninja1 has done a few times (not accusing, just pointing out)). Don't be a distraction to the town, either. If you're a townie and have high suspicion on you (which Dolby has done many times), you're playing wrong. It isn't about keeping low, but it's about keeping out of the way. Watch what you say, and we'll guaranteed find mafia easier this game.
Remember to analyze posts. I noticed that last game, Blu Rose did really well at picking apart others' posts and finding mistakes in them. I suggest some of you who are lacking in that area to go back and read them.
Another note, PM people. Observe what they're saying, check how it lines up with what other people say. The more people you PM, the easier you will be able to find out who is scum. Even create charts or take notes of each person and write down who they accused, what they've claimed, etc on a notepad document. This will be easier than reading through a bunch of PMs all game.
Play smart and we'll find the pirates.
Remember to analyze posts. I noticed that last game, Blu Rose did really well at picking apart others' posts and finding mistakes in them. I suggest some of you who are lacking in that area to go back and read them.
Another note, PM people. Observe what they're saying, check how it lines up with what other people say. The more people you PM, the easier you will be able to find out who is scum. Even create charts or take notes of each person and write down who they accused, what they've claimed, etc on a notepad document. This will be easier than reading through a bunch of PMs all game.
Play smart and we'll find the pirates.
FanousOnTheLoose
Junior Member
good read, I'm gonna need a lot more popcorn for this thread.
I suggest you contribute your ideas because not contributing is a huge red flag for many people.
FanousOnTheLoose
Junior Member
Lol I dont know any of you! I'm just a newbie. I have no clue who to vote for.
suspicions though? wouldnt know where to start. Waffles and Fireninja are not suspicious in anyway just because they are facilitating discussion.
Yo, what's up.
But yeah, regardless of my role unless I see something that really sticks out to me I'm just going to let you fools duke it out. Day 1 is always going to be awful unless mafia really screws up, so if you want my opinions bug me day two for somethin assumin I live.
Ah, FireNinja...
If I were the Godfather, I would want to draw attention to myself. I would want to befuddle the Town.
Anyways... you and the host know you are a rigger, if you are. Someone just might inspect you, but how would I know that? I would like to toos around your name for the first day lynch, but that is just me. Opinions, anyone?
I actually did something on Day 1! Yayyyyy!
Sorry for being a ghost/observer, but you won't be told if you're a Rigger/Miller.
Oh, whoops. I thought he meant rigger as in Crew... my bad.
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Superpenguin
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Okay, it's time I make a case against Trundle, as we have been talking via IRC recently. Going off of what Kayla said as looking at the stronger players, Trundle has yet to be mafia. Since Trundle hasn't been mafia yet, it is easy to detect behavioral changes in him.
I want to clear some things up before I start.
I am not full-on accusing Trundle of being mafia; I do want him to be more vocal in this thread though, as he is not very vocal publicly when it comes to mafia games. Also, I know some fears during Day 1 is lynching a strong player who ends up being Town. Well, I only fear Trundle is blue, but that runs the risk with everyone so we have to take that risk with anyone. Plus, as seen last game, Trundle is a loose-cannon. He had suspicions on BBG and he went telling everyone on IRC. That's careless behavior, imo, and roles/important info can be slipped to the mafia this way. We don't need this happening.
So, like I said earlier, behavioral changes:
See how he doesn't have suspicions this early on this game? Every time I come to him about someone, he just tries to brush it off and not get himself involved.
Also, look at the bold regarding Waffles. When I brought her name up, he called her a "Bad Town Player" which makes me believe he knows Waffles is town which he can only know if he is mafia.
Now notice in previous games, Trundle has no problem voicing his early suspicions:
And then I think we are all aware that Trundle had large suspicions against BBG and Tom early on last game. Suspicions on BBG to the point where he was telling EVERYONE about it, obviously being very vocal.
I want to clear some things up before I start.
I am not full-on accusing Trundle of being mafia; I do want him to be more vocal in this thread though, as he is not very vocal publicly when it comes to mafia games. Also, I know some fears during Day 1 is lynching a strong player who ends up being Town. Well, I only fear Trundle is blue, but that runs the risk with everyone so we have to take that risk with anyone. Plus, as seen last game, Trundle is a loose-cannon. He had suspicions on BBG and he went telling everyone on IRC. That's careless behavior, imo, and roles/important info can be slipped to the mafia this way. We don't need this happening.
So, like I said earlier, behavioral changes:
IRC said:
See how he doesn't have suspicions this early on this game? Every time I come to him about someone, he just tries to brush it off and not get himself involved.
Also, look at the bold regarding Waffles. When I brought her name up, he called her a "Bad Town Player" which makes me believe he knows Waffles is town which he can only know if he is mafia.
Now notice in previous games, Trundle has no problem voicing his early suspicions:
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...-OVER-HURRAY&p=2059992&viewfull=1#post2059992
In addition to that public suspicion post, Trundle also announced working privately discussing suspicions, most likely NOT brushing them off.
In addition to that public suspicion post, Trundle also announced working privately discussing suspicions, most likely NOT brushing them off.
Trundle said:
Unfortunately, Trundle was not able to discuss with everyone his thoughts for the Game 2 Day 1 lynch. However, he did voice his thoughts about the mayoral candidates. He was so suspicious of everyone running that he chose to vote for himself!
Trundle said:
And then I think we are all aware that Trundle had large suspicions against BBG and Tom early on last game. Suspicions on BBG to the point where he was telling EVERYONE about it, obviously being very vocal.
Not sure what to think of him right now. It is a behavioural change and that normally does determine alignment, but we have to remember the Kippla case when he was a townie in the first mini mafia, he searched for information, and was apologetic and meek. Trundle hasn't been a townie for a bit, maybe he simply forgot about the importance of being a town member without special abilities? I doubt that because of the content of post 206. If he doesn't get lynched today then he should definitely get checked by a detective.
I think it's important to hear from people like Farobi, Hikari, River & Oath2Order (probably at work? As I was told). I really understand that it's Day One and there isn't much to say .. even I'm having trouble coming up with contributive posts. What do you guys think of FireNinja1 versus iTookYourWaffles?
I'm kinda worried about the unknowns:
05. FanousOnTheLoose
13. Stargazer741
21. SirGanatar
Alongside the stronger players, I think it's a good idea that we keep those three in the spotlight. We know nothing about them and it'll be very easy for them to hide throughout the game. I am not accusing them of Mafia, rather asking the Town to keep them in the spotlight. Ask them questions, opinions .. anything.
I feel like FireNinja1 (nothing really stands out about his behaviour) & iTookYourWaffles (needs to defend herself still) won't make good Day One lynches.
I'm kinda worried about the unknowns:
05. FanousOnTheLoose
13. Stargazer741
21. SirGanatar
Alongside the stronger players, I think it's a good idea that we keep those three in the spotlight. We know nothing about them and it'll be very easy for them to hide throughout the game. I am not accusing them of Mafia, rather asking the Town to keep them in the spotlight. Ask them questions, opinions .. anything.
I feel like FireNinja1 (nothing really stands out about his behaviour) & iTookYourWaffles (needs to defend herself still) won't make good Day One lynches.
I feel like fireninja would be a bad day one lynch, he defended himself and I think that he is innocent after his defense. ITYW asking people IN PUBLIC to start a pm circle with him, that's behavior that gets you killed by mafia unless you are a mafia trying to find blues. I agree that the strong players should be kept in the spotlight (particularly Trundle). I also think that we should investigate the three names you mentioned, particularly SirGanatar after the he versus fireninja situation.
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oath2order
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Thank you Kayla for considering me important to hear from <3 Yes, I was at work. Quick five and a half hour shift, and while I fixed up the toy department, I kept refreshing the page to read, so I'm kind of caught up.
Alrighty, first off, I want to say how much I would prefer that we don't lynch Fanous, Stargazer, or SirGanatar on day one. While I'm not completely shut off to the idea, I just don't feel comfortable lynching them. For starters, they're new. We don't know anything about them, how they post. Sure, they may come off as suspicious, but that's because we have no idea how they play, and for that matter, I'm sure they're still trying to figure out the best way to play. It's day one. It's hard enough for the rest of us to contribute, and we've done this plenty of times before. It's probably harder for them to know what to say.
Love it Karla. Love it. And Tina, nice job with the first post. Amazing <3
Through my initial readings, one name stuck out to me as a possible pirate. BellBringerGreen.
So first off, BBG goes after FireNinja1. Not surprising. FireNinja is an easy target, considering how he's kind of an annoying player who contributes a lot in the beginning, and very little near the end. This is understandable, and it's not like FireNinja's first two posts actually had much to contribute anyways.
Then BBG goes after SirGanatar for posting some general advice. Okay, another easy target. SirGanatar is new, and he posts some obvious tips. But then BBG also comments some really obvious advice, which I bolded. Really? You're going to go after someone for stating the obvious, while you state the obvious yourself? Nice job.
And now BBG goes after Beary. Okay, so beary's post wasn't the most helpful, but it does help remind us that the pirate are probably some people who haven't posted much. At least that's how I take it. In any case, BBG has gone after a third target at this point.
And then BBG finally goes after Fanous. Another new player, another easy target. There's a pattern here. BBG has really only posted after someone who is either new or kind of inexperienced posts, and it's always something attacking them. While BBG hasn't outright accused them of being a pirate, it's still attacking them. To me, this looks like a lot of panicked finger-pointing and misdirection.
In regards to other people, Waffles asking to start a PM circle in public to me just sounds like a really stupid idea, and FireNinja is just being FireNinja. Trundle seems like a good candidate. Only posted once, as far as I can see, and his behavior definitely has changed, but I think we can stick with him as a day two candidate.
Unless another good person comes up, then I'm very likely going to ##VOTE: BellBringerGreen.
I personally hadn't noticed that, going after new/less experienced players is suspicious but I would like to hear a reason about this from him. On another note, I made a detective list
Trundle
Tom (sorry but not really wanting to contribute at a certain point raises a small red flag)
ITYW (for publicly trying to start a pm circle, possibly mafia trying to find blues)
To lovely, here's another person who we have're heard from lately, Gandalf
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To iloveyou
Trundle
Tom (sorry but not really wanting to contribute at a certain point raises a small red flag)
ITYW (for publicly trying to start a pm circle, possibly mafia trying to find blues)
To lovely, here's another person who we have're heard from lately, Gandalf
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To iloveyou
Farobi, Kuma, Hikari, River, Gandalf:
Do you think it's wise to lynch one of the unknown players? Or would you guys feel more comfortable aiming for any lurkers? Or would you guys rather have the Town only target stronger players for Day One lynch? Feel free to make your own lists if you want.
Personally I would consider submitting a vote for anyone, as I'm not tied to any person. That being said, I would consider lynching a stronger player / unknown player (especially if they aren't trying to contribute). Everyone should be ready to defend themselves.
Do you think it's wise to lynch one of the unknown players? Or would you guys feel more comfortable aiming for any lurkers? Or would you guys rather have the Town only target stronger players for Day One lynch? Feel free to make your own lists if you want.
Personally I would consider submitting a vote for anyone, as I'm not tied to any person. That being said, I would consider lynching a stronger player / unknown player (especially if they aren't trying to contribute). Everyone should be ready to defend themselves.
