Mafia TBT Mini Mafia II: Catch Scum or Catch Scurvy [Game Over/Town Win]

[Gandalf]

Gandalf and iloveyou, I am not full-on accusing you but I want the town to look at the similarities. Think back to game two, day one, iloveyou the sheriff makes a list of lurkers with a roleblocker who has been lurking absent from there. The roleblocker then swoops in and posts. Maybe your both mafia this game or it was a mistake on iloveyou's part? I don't know but I want the town to keep them in mind for the day two or day three lynch.

Well I can't really give evidence against that but, from a Towns perspective, I would suggest you keep an eye on iLoveYou during this early portion of the game. I probably wouldn't call myself a lurker yet either as I posted not long after first reading through the thread and have continued to do so steadily through the day.

Now definitely is the time to swoop in and post, as you put it. We only have 8 hours to get a lynch together so try to make it count. There is no point shying away from the names that have already been put out there so don't be too afraid of posting thoughts. Chances are that towards the end of day someone on there is going to get bandwagon'd and we need those somebodies to stand up now to help town make the right decision.

 

[unravel]

Reminds me of Mafia II
Guys NEVER lynch or kill the lurkers or not active players. Leave them as is, you if have suspicion on them then post it... I'm not gonna vote them unless it is a valid reason to lynch or kill them in game.

Spoiler

Yeah, I don't find you suspicious this early in the game but I wanted people to talk.

If we want to go lurker / not active I'd suggest these names: Hikari or River.

Otherwise it looks like today is going to be BellBringerGreen versus Trundle. I wouldn't know necessarily who to vote for this early on. BellBringerGreen is more of a safe option in my opinion. If we want to make a bold move then we'd vote for Trundle.



This is exactly what is stopping me from voting for BellBringerGreen at the moment. I would still be willing to vote for a safer lynch though. Our only other option is Trundle, unless everyone is actually okay with starting a Kuma lynch. At this point I feel like BellBringerGreen might actually be more Town aligned than Mafia aligned.



This is a legit concern & I don't mind. I am very willing to die. I would just ask that you guys let the Mafia try to take me out instead of having me (Town) die under Town's hands.

 

[iLoveYou]

Responding to Gandalf (repetitive I know): I honestly don't mind if you guys keep an eye on me. I just need you guys to know that I am here to absorb Mafia KP. If the Mafia don't try to take me out, then that's a shame because I contribute too much in this thread for them to let me slip by. I am someone who can influence, and they should be looking to remove me as soon as possible. If they try to challenge this by letting me live, then it works for me. c: I don't mind playing the game longer than 1-2 nights. Facts are facts though, the Mafia will eventually have to take me out and I want you guys to let them do it. That way when you see my role (after I die) you'll be okay with the Mafia taking me out instead of Town.

I personally don't feel comfortable voting for BellBringerGreen, even though he is the safer option. If we are seriously running out of time, I will place my vote for him. He's saying we'll only lose a Sailor. At this point, with not many leads I think it's safe to want to lynch a Sailor (although Pirate is what we aim for - it's Day One though.). Sailors run the risk of also being the Rigger (Miller), so it would benefit us more if he died that role.

Even though Kuma did vote early for BellBringerGreen, I feel like Detectives can easily try to inspect her tonight. If you guys want to start a Kuma lynch, then I would agree to vote for her. I will agree to vote for any name on the player list, since I'm not tied to anyone.

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Reminds me of Mafia II
Guys NEVER lynch or kill the lurkers or not active players. Leave them as is, you if have suspicion on them then post it... I'm not gonna vote them unless it is a valid reason to lynch or kill them in game.

It's because I made three lists: lurkers / inactives, strong players, unknowns (new players).
So I providing names for each list for the Town. People wanted to see names brought forward so that's what I did.

 

[unravel]

I feel like I should make advance plan for night 1
doctors- protect the strongest players
DT list- iLoveYou, Kuma, Trundle (if he is alive) and Gandalf
Vig list- not sure yet

Feel free to change it or whatever you want.

 

[oath2order]

I'm just going with who I think is scum.

BBG I apologize if I'm wrong.

 

[iLoveYou]

I think iTookYourWaffles should be on the Detective list too. Even though you did publicly do the PM circle thing before the game started .. by that point everyone already had their roles. I would have been worried to be a target by the Mafia, but you weren't.

Detective list: iLoveYou, Kuma, Gandalf, Trundle (if he is alive), iTookYourWaffles

 

[Byngo]

So I decided that I'm simply not voting, as (like always) I'm not confident enough to vote for any name at this point. :x

#1stLynchisTheWorstLynch

 

[EpicGamer12]

I'm really not sure that BBG is mafia, but we really don't have many other choices. I don't want to follow the trend in people voting for their selves, so I decided I'm going to vote for him. What Kayla said made sense - It's better to lynch just a sailor who is potentially a rigger, than a random and hit a good blue role.

 

[oath2order]

I'm really not sure that BBG is mafia, but we really don't have many other choices. I don't want to follow the trend in people voting for their selves, so I decided I'm going to vote for him. What Kayla said made sense - It's better to lynch just a sailor who is potentially a rigger, than a random and hit a good blue role.

Agreed. I hate day one :/

I think iTookYourWaffles should be on the Detective list too. Even though you did publicly do the PM circle thing before the game started .. by that point everyone already had their roles. I would have been worried to be a target by the Mafia, but you weren't.

Detective list: iLoveYou, Kuma, Gandalf, Trundle (if he is alive), iTookYourWaffles

>implying Gandalf survives night one
>lol

You know he never does

 

[Superpenguin]

This is a legit concern & I don't mind. I am very willing to die. I would just ask that you guys let the Mafia try to take me out instead of having me (Town) die under Town's hands.

Just need to point out something.

You are stressing your desire for the mafia to be the ones to kill you rather than the town so often!
This is similar to Game II when you stressed getting rolechecked early on in the game. It just concerns me how you are behaving.

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I'm really not sure that BBG is mafia, but we really don't have many other choices. I don't want to follow the trend in people voting for their selves, so I decided I'm going to vote for him. What Kayla said made sense - It's better to lynch just a sailor who is potentially a rigger, than a random and hit a good blue role.

No. No. No. BBG is practically being confirmed as a sailor here right now! Why are you guys trying to kill him off? Go for a lurker instead, at least, omg! Why would you sacrifice someone who is appearing to be a Sailor just to play it safe? That's so pointless, omg. You want to lynch a confirmed sailor, lynch Kayla then who is constantly claiming she is of no value other then contributing to discussion. Seriously...

And with Trundle, yeah he's strong, so what? That doesn't mean town is at a complete loss if we lose him. Mafia is obviosuly going to aim for strong players at night, anyway.


You guys need to stop chickening out of lynches and put on your big boy pants and actually play the game. No more wussing out and going for "Oh, BBG is obviously a sailor. Let's just lynch him so Town doesn't run the risk of becoming crippled." That behavior needs to stop, or else when you are suspected, STOP SAYING YOU'RE A SAILOR! More times then ever you just sealed your faith with that one statement.

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Vote stands on Trundle, but I'd consider voting for Hikari or River for a lurker vote instead.

 

[oath2order]

Just need to point out something.

You are stressing your desire for the mafia to be the ones to kill you rather than the town so often!
This is similar to Game II when you stressed getting rolechecked early on in the game. It just concerns me how you are behaving.

She did also stress getting rolechecked here.

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No. No. No. BBG is practically being confirmed as a sailor here right now! Why are you guys trying to kill him off? Go for a lurker instead, at least, omg! Why would you sacrifice someone who is appearing to be a Sailor just to play it safe? That's so pointless, omg. You want to lynch a confirmed sailor, lynch Kayla then who is constantly claiming she is of no value other then contributing to discussion. Seriously...

Re-reading that quote sets off some red flags to me. It looks like Trundle knows something. What do you mean, "it's better to hit a random?" That's all we're doing, just basically going on random people. It looks like you know that BBG is a sailor. And there's only one possible way you could know that at this stage in the game.

And with Trundle, yeah he's strong, so what? That doesn't mean town is at a complete loss if we lose him. Mafia is obviosuly going to aim for strong players at night, anyway.

True that. There are plenty of strong players. Mafia can't kill us all tonight.


You guys need to stop chickening out of lynches and put on your big boy pants and actually play the game. No more wussing out and going for "Oh, BBG is obviously a sailor. Let's just lynch him so Town doesn't run the risk of becoming crippled." That behavior needs to stop, or else when you are suspected, STOP SAYING YOU'RE A SAILOR! More times then ever you just sealed your faith with that one statement.

You know that I'm not voting for BBG because I'm afraid of lynching Trundle, right? I'm voting for him because I think he's a traitorous pirate. However,

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Vote stands on Trundle, but I'd consider voting for Hikari or River for a lurker vote instead.

Responses in bold. Reading this, guys, I think I should vote for Trundle. I implore Kuma to do the same.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Just need to point out something.

You are stressing your desire for the mafia to be the ones to kill you rather than the town so often!
This is similar to Game II when you stressed getting rolechecked early on in the game. It just concerns me how you are behaving.

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No. No. No. BBG is practically being confirmed as a sailor here right now! Why are you guys trying to kill him off? Go for a lurker instead, at least, omg! Why would you sacrifice someone who is appearing to be a Sailor just to play it safe? That's so pointless, omg. You want to lynch a confirmed sailor, lynch Kayla then who is constantly claiming she is of no value other then contributing to discussion. Seriously...

And with Trundle, yeah he's strong, so what? That doesn't mean town is at a complete loss if we lose him. Mafia is obviosuly going to aim for strong players at night, anyway.


You guys need to stop chickening out of lynches and put on your big boy pants and actually play the game. No more wussing out and going for "Oh, BBG is obviously a sailor. Let's just lynch him so Town doesn't run the risk of becoming crippled." That behavior needs to stop, or else when you are suspected, STOP SAYING YOU'RE A SAILOR! More times then ever you just sealed your faith with that one statement.

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Vote stands on Trundle, but I'd consider voting for Hikari or River for a lurker vote instead.

I don't really see what you mean. First off, we don't know if BBG is actually what he claims. From the evidence that was already posted, we see that he has been a bit suspicious - more suspicious than anyone else so far. It isn't fair to lynch someone who isn't active when they could be a very important role. What if we were to lynch River and she ends up being a doctor? As of now, we either know that BBG is a Sailor/Rigger if he is telling the truth, or if he lying, a pirate.

 

[oath2order]

Okay, I messed up on the bolding of this:

Re-reading that quote sets off some red flags to me. It looks like Trundle knows something. What do you mean, "it's better to hit a random?" That's all we're doing, just basically going on random people. It looks like you know that BBG is a sailor. And there's only one possible way you could know that at this stage in the game.

And just want to clarify the wording of

She did also stress getting rolechecked here.

Yeah, she stressed rolechecking her for tonight.

 

[iLoveYou]

Just need to point out something.

You are stressing your desire for the mafia to be the ones to kill you rather than the town so often!
This is similar to Game II when you stressed getting rolechecked early on in the game. It just concerns me how you are behaving.

Honestly, the only thing I am useful for is calling people out. At this point, if you feel like you wish to lynch me for this behaviour then I already placed the first vote on myself. Anyone can literally feel free to jump on me & lynch me right now. I am only 1/16 and am not tied to anyone though. I am seriously willing to die. Town nee

So, go for it. c: It'll just kinda suck that I ended up dying under Town's hands instead of Mafia's hands.

I am willing to vote for Trundle, as I am willing to vote for any player on that player list. The problem is, what if he's a blue role Nick? What if we lose an important blue role because we jumped the gun here? He's definitely displaying behavioural changes .. so is iTookYourWaffles. She did this last game and flipped Doctor. That's why I say it is better to just lynch safely on Day One. Trundle will still be suspicious Day 2, and if anything he can be questioned first on Day 2 if you are still concerned about him.

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Town needs me for numbers and to absorb Mafia KP. ** sorry it cut off

 

[Superpenguin]

Honestly, the only thing I am useful for is calling people out. At this point, if you feel like you wish to lynch me for this behaviour then I already placed the first vote on myself. Anyone can literally feel free to jump on me & lynch me right now. I am only 1/16 and am not tied to anyone though. I am seriously willing to die. Town nee

So, go for it. c: It'll just kinda suck that I ended up dying under Town's hands instead of Mafia's hands.

I am willing to vote for Trundle, as I am willing to vote for any player on that player list. The problem is, what if he's a blue role Nick? What if we lose an important blue role because we jumped the gun here? He's definitely displaying behavioural changes .. so is iTookYourWaffles. She did this last game and flipped Doctor. That's why I say it is better to just lynch safely on Day One. Trundle will still be suspicious Day 2, and if anything he can be questioned first on Day 2 if you are still concerned about him.

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Town needs me for numbers and to absorb Mafia KP. ** sorry it cut off

What if BBG is lying about his role and is actually a blue role? You run this risk with everyone! You can't just apply this concept to certain players and then ignore it for others.

 

[iLoveYou]

She did also stress getting rolechecked here.

Yeah, she stressed rolechecking her for tonight.

iTookYourWaffles was the one who stressed that I get rolechecked. She was the first person to make a Detective list and put my name first. I left my name there because I really have no reason to remove it. I never insisted on being rolechecked, mostly because I am pretty sure the Mafia will want to take me out as soon as possible since I keep calling many players out. Chances are one of them has already been called out. If I get killed, what's the use of being inspected? I don't mind being inspected, but keep in mind I'm a target for Mafia too. Or, I should be their target.

I feel like I should make advance plan for night 1
doctors- protect the strongest players
DT list- iLoveYou, Kuma, Trundle (if he is alive) and Gandalf
Vig list- not sure yet

Feel free to change it or whatever you want.

If I took my name off the list, people would jump at me and say "omg she doesn't want to be inspected because she's hiding something". This is a very "damned if you do, damned if you don't" moment.

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What if BBG is lying about his role and is actually a blue role? You run this risk with everyone! You can't just apply this concept to certain players and then ignore it for others.

Like I said, I am very willing to vote for any player on the player list, if you really want to see another vote on Trundle then I will gladly help you achieve a strong player lynch for Day One. I love putting spotlight on the stronger players, as you all know from the previous game. We have no other leads and if this is what you want to see, then you have my support.

 

[EpicGamer12]

What if BBG is lying about his role and is actually a blue role? You run this risk with everyone! You can't just apply this concept to certain players and then ignore it for others.

The difference is that BBG had his chance to say things and if he is actually a blue and going to get lynched, that's just poor playing on his part. People who have not had the chance to post yet have no say in this. It's like calling someone guilty in a court case who wasn't even there.

 

[Superpenguin]

The difference is that BBG had his chance to say things and if he is actually a blue and going to get lynched, that's just poor playing on his part. People who have not had the chance to post yet have no say in this. It's like calling someone guilty in a court case who wasn't even there.

That's just stupid logic. "It's his own fault for being stupid."
If a person who hasn't posted, what makes you think they'll evne know WHO to protect or WHO to inspect or evne if they WILL send in these action roles? They're not contributing now, and as shown last game(FireNinja, Lunatic, Gallows) they won't help out town in the end. Lynch them now, save town in the longrun.

 

[iLoveYou]

##Vote: BellBringerGreen

You voted without posting here in this thread. :c On BellBringerGreen too. Most people have been expressing concern because there's a chance he really is Town aligned. Some people voted for themselves because we were really unsure of what to do. You went ahead & straight out voted for BellBringerGreen without even making an explanation here.

Fishy. :c

 

[Superpenguin]

After talking to Trundle for the past half hour in IRC, I realized that my logic I used against him was terrible and flawed for the following reasons:

A. I accused him of not having suspicions just three hours into the game. That was rude of me and terrible piece of evidence as he was mayor in Game III, and thus HAD to have suspicions. Plus, in the past games, it actually did take him much longer to cast his suspicions on someone.

B. I was reading way too into his posts and conversation with him and was too blinded on hoping that he was mafia, that I wasn't even thinking straight to actually considering he may be town.

C. He shows desire to communicate and is obviously willing to do so. This was a big reason why I actually was thinking about lynching about him, so I am glad he proved me wrong.

Obviously, it's not for certain that Trundle is town, but I'd just like to show how easily Oath2Order jumped from his own suspicions against BBG to a suspicion against a strong player...Trundle.
However, I want to lynch a lurker tonight, if plausible. A new player would be even more ideal as, sorry, but I don't want to waste playing a game figuring out your strategies. Hikari, StarGazer, and FanousonTheLoose are the three lurkers that come to my mind. River's not included cause she's not actually lurking, she hasn't even been on much. She's just a plain inactive.