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I never said he was town. I said he probably had a really strange role that forced him to randomly push Daniel. You can interpret that as mafia, third party or town
Ahhh ok. I thought you meant that he wasn't jester OR scum, but he was mad over a BS role. I can see what you mean, though.

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Plus Vengeful Granny doesnt make sense for why he pushed daniel
Ooh true.

Ness, we still need a reason why you pushed Daniel.
 
Me either, woke up and worked through and it's confusing.

The granny on TBT last time we had it was lynch proof and killed anyone that interacted with them during the night. The vengeful would mean that he would kill someone along with him? Or everyone?

Everyone seems to have super convoluted roles.

vengeful roles choose one player to die with them
 
vengeful roles choose one player to die with them
But if Granny can't die during day, then does the vengeful only go into effect at night? Or does he get to choose someone to die if he gets lynched with no repercussions on his end?
 
But if Granny can't die during day, then does the vengeful only go into effect at night? Or does he get to choose someone to die if he gets lynched with no repercussions on his end?

that's what I'm wondering

vengeful and granny combination is kinda op sounding
 
Ok, gonna just have my brain think something out and I need a place to do it so here have my thought process. Skip the spoiler if you wanna skip it.

Ok, so Ness:? Vengeful Granny

Questions:
1.Why was he acting so trolly earlier, like he wanted to be lynched?
2.Why did he claim after I asked for someone to shoot him?
3. Is a Jester/other scummy role still in question?
4. Why Daniel?

1.Why was he acting so trolly earlier, like he wanted to be lynched?
I can think of three reasons: he's either flat out scum refusing to cooperate, he wants to use his Granny powers, or he's reaction testing. But if he's reaction testing, why hasn't he said anything to that effect? He flat out claimed instead of claiming his intention of reaction testing, which is something I can't see him doing, either. Ness isn't THAT bad of a player, so I don't think he'd outright act like an idiot like that. So I'm thinking he probably wanted to be lynched to confirm his ability to be unlynchable (and kill someone)? And if it's to kill someone outright like that, then why isn't he getting any other opinions if he's going to basically waste a freaking lynch and kill someone who may or may not be town? This wouldn't confirm him as town, as there's been mafian Grannies before. And hell, Vengeful Granny? That sounds like it could be a 3rd party in of itself. Plus, his actions in of themselves aren't very town-like. He's disrupting all of chat and being as obtrusive as possible. There's also the possibility that he's attracting attention so we think he's Jester so we leave him alone, but I just don't think he'd do that, knowing his meta.

2. Why did he claim after I asked for someone to shoot him?
Well, the obvious one here is that he wants to stay alive. And if he's a Granny like he claims, then well, he'd still die that night.

3. Is a Jester/other scummy role still in question?
I'd believe the Granny claim. He seemed so cocky in the face of a lynch, making me think he is actually unlynchable. And he tried way too hard to attract attention to himself to make me think he was any other scum role. Jester... maybe. He looks like he's kind of trying to save his skin now though, when night becomes part of the conversation, which I guess involves Jester too. So in short, I'd say Jester is still a possibility. I really, really don't see him as any other scum role though. It just doesn't fit his meta, as I've previously explained.

4. Why Daniel?
My guess is that he just picked him out of no where cause there wasn't much suspicion being thrown at Daniel and Daniel is generally considered as an "easy" lynch, making it look suspicious that he's doing anything for that.

Conclusion: He wanted to look scummy. If he's telling the truth that he's Granny, then it's because he wanted to potentially kill someone using his power. If it's the Jester thing, he wants to win. Either way, I think lynching him is a bad idea. But I think considering his motives, and what he's wanting to do as Granny (and why he's doing what he's doing), I think he's a scum version of Granny. I think having someone shoot Ness would still be a great idea.
tl;dr: Still think Ness should be shot rather than thought as innocent or lynched.

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@Trundle why are you pushing for a Ness lynch so hard right now ?
^^^
 
Ok, gonna just have my brain think something out and I need a place to do it so here have my thought process. Skip the spoiler if you wanna skip it.

Ok, so Ness:? Vengeful Granny

Questions:
1.Why was he acting so trolly earlier, like he wanted to be lynched?
2.Why did he claim after I asked for someone to shoot him?
3. Is a Jester/other scummy role still in question?
4. Why Daniel?

1.Why was he acting so trolly earlier, like he wanted to be lynched?
I can think of three reasons: he's either flat out scum refusing to cooperate, he wants to use his Granny powers, or he's reaction testing. But if he's reaction testing, why hasn't he said anything to that effect? He flat out claimed instead of claiming his intention of reaction testing, which is something I can't see him doing, either. Ness isn't THAT bad of a player, so I don't think he'd outright act like an idiot like that. So I'm thinking he probably wanted to be lynched to confirm his ability to be unlynchable (and kill someone)? And if it's to kill someone outright like that, then why isn't he getting any other opinions if he's going to basically waste a freaking lynch and kill someone who may or may not be town? This wouldn't confirm him as town, as there's been mafian Grannies before. And hell, Vengeful Granny? That sounds like it could be a 3rd party in of itself. Plus, his actions in of themselves aren't very town-like. He's disrupting all of chat and being as obtrusive as possible. There's also the possibility that he's attracting attention so we think he's Jester so we leave him alone, but I just don't think he'd do that, knowing his meta.

2. Why did he claim after I asked for someone to shoot him?
Well, the obvious one here is that he wants to stay alive. And if he's a Granny like he claims, then well, he'd still die that night.

3. Is a Jester/other scummy role still in question?
I'd believe the Granny claim. He seemed so cocky in the face of a lynch, making me think he is actually unlynchable. And he tried way too hard to attract attention to himself to make me think he was any other scum role. Jester... maybe. He looks like he's kind of trying to save his skin now though, when night becomes part of the conversation, which I guess involves Jester too. So in short, I'd say Jester is still a possibility. I really, really don't see him as any other scum role though. It just doesn't fit his meta, as I've previously explained.

4. Why Daniel?
My guess is that he just picked him out of no where cause there wasn't much suspicion being thrown at Daniel and Daniel is generally considered as an "easy" lynch, making it look suspicious that he's doing anything for that.

Conclusion: He wanted to look scummy. If he's telling the truth that he's Granny, then it's because he wanted to potentially kill someone using his power. If it's the Jester thing, he wants to win. Either way, I think lynching him is a bad idea. But I think considering his motives, and what he's wanting to do as Granny (and why he's doing what he's doing), I think he's a scum version of Granny. I think having someone shoot Ness would still be a great idea.
tl;dr: Still think Ness should be shot rather than thought as innocent or lynched.

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^^^

if you believe ness is telling the truth and we'll assume for this scenario he is, why would you want someone to shoot him?? according to tbt mafia wiki and epicmafia wiki the granny can't die, and will kill whoever performs an action on them. (Unless I'm overlooking something?)
 
if you believe ness is telling the truth and we'll assume for this scenario he is, why would you want someone to shoot him?? according to tbt mafia wiki and epicmafia wiki the granny can't die, and will kill whoever performs an action on them. (Unless I'm overlooking something?)

if they can't die then how does anyone else win ?
 
that's what I'm wondering

vengeful and granny combination is kinda op sounding

With the op saying it will probably be very unbalanced I wouldn't excuse the role for that reason.

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if they can't die then how does anyone else win ?

They can't be killed from night action but can be killed from lynch, but being vengeful seems to cancel that out so I'm leaning towards bs claim.
 
if you believe ness is telling the truth and we'll assume for this scenario he is, why would you want someone to shoot him?? according to tbt mafia wiki and epicmafia wiki the granny can't die, and will kill whoever performs an action on them. (Unless I'm overlooking something?)
They're unlynchable. They can die at night from what I can tell. I know we'd lose Vig or someone because of that, so it might need to get put off, but something tells me nothing's going to get done otherwise because everyone's going to focus on this Ness situation and have a bunch of WIFOM fear surrounding it rather than moving on, so chat's going to get drug down more in the end.

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They can't be killed from night action but can be killed from lynch, but being vengeful seems to cancel that out so I'm leaning towards bs claim.
Isnt it the other way around?
 
Panda thank you for the Rose but I can't steal ness's woman.

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I'm pretty sure he isn't telling the truth because either way we try to kill him we lose our own in the process.
 
Panda thank you for the Rose but I can't steal ness's woman.

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I'm pretty sure he isn't telling the truth because either way we try to kill him we lose our own in the process.
Yeeah really seems like a role meant purely for the agony of others. Seems like a hard role to BS though. I wonder if all baddies are given fakeclaims? I could see it being fakable if he was given a fakeclaim.

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How would a Vengeful Granny work?

And with that, I'm taking a small nap (at the least. Might be for the night). Cya guys on the flipside.
 
Good evening ladys and gentlemen, my name is Ness and i will be your server today.

Anyway, i'd like to say a few things first: If I were per say mafia, do you think i'd be acting like this big of a dingus? Because if that were the case and i'd actually be jester, then i'd pretty much just be boning myself and my team. I was acting jester because oh, I knew that people were going to go after me for this and i'm pretty sure i've boned myself pretty hard already as town.

I never had any real suspicion of Daniel, it was just more spam I was doing.

My reasoning for acting jester was because I wanted to kill scum after my death, and with the 4 or 5 votes on me right now i'd probably be taking Daniel or Trundle down with me because I don't like how their pushing me. Let me give you guys a tip: If i'm lynched because you think i'm bluffing about being Epicmafia, the Vengeful Granny...

You will be murdered without hesitation. I'm warning you: If you're town, unvote me or you will regret everything. I'd like people to atleast scum hunt for people other then me if I am to end up being the lynch today, because someone is going to be dying with me if I am.
 
Good evening ladys and gentlemen, my name is Ness and i will be your server today.

Anyway, i'd like to say a few things first: If I were per say mafia, do you think i'd be acting like this big of a dingus? Because if that were the case and i'd actually be jester, then i'd pretty much just be boning myself and my team. I was acting jester because oh, I knew that people were going to go after me for this and i'm pretty sure i've boned myself pretty hard already as town.

I never had any real suspicion of Daniel, it was just more spam I was doing.

My reasoning for acting jester was because I wanted to kill scum after my death, and with the 4 or 5 votes on me right now i'd probably be taking Daniel or Trundle down with me because I don't like how their pushing me. Let me give you guys a tip: If i'm lynched because you think i'm bluffing about being Epicmafia, the Vengeful Granny...

You will be murdered without hesitation. I'm warning you: If you're town, unvote me or you will regret everything. I'd like people to atleast scum hunt for people other then me if I am to end up being the lynch today, because someone is going to be dying with me if I am.

Lol Ness thinks he's scary. Please leave now ^_^
 
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