Mafia TBT Switch Mafia (Long Days and Nights)- ENDGAME @Page 120- Town Wins

[Geoni]

@Dolby

For good measure.

 

[amazonevan19]

^ banned for nudity /s

Ugh, I should have listened to my gut and not followed Dolby's orders. Strictly my fault for not being as attentive as I should have been EoD, though. I know for a fact I'm the scummiest person alive now and Dolby's gonna post a 69,000 word expose on why I voted when I did and why, but here's what really happened.

I posted my Farobi vote, then discussion about switching to Dad happened. Damniel brought up the unravel vote and inconsistency with what he was saying in thread. I also noted that and got very suspicious. BUT keep in mind I'm loosely keeping track of ONLY the MAIN THREAD in between commericals of a Hallmark movie I'm watching with family. So that's why my vote was switched to Dad only after he got a lot of votes piled on him. I did not monitor the voting thread, nor did I decide to "buss" him only after things were going well in his favor.

Then Dolby said "switch to Farobi, not enough votes on Dad." Ok makes sense, we need to get someone voted off. So I switch back and go take care of my cat's needs for a couple minutes. Come back and see another ****storm. Oh what the **** we're back to Dad now??? *changes vote* Now everyone's screaming at me for voting Dad and Dolby is saying I'm vote sitting??? WHAT THE HELL.

I KNOW for a fact Dolby is going to tunnel me to death by saying "oh Evan intended to make it an NL and wanted to protect Farobi and Dad" but how can he blame me for trying to follow what he was saying to do? Thread was going so ****ing fast and Dolby was flopping like a goddamn fish on what the **** to do. On the one hand, I know it appeared like I was vote sitting, but on the other hand, I know it's just Dolby trying to paint me as bad as humanly possible and I don't appreciate it.

Now I'll slink away and cry in my corner for being the most dumbass EoD voter ever but really, that's what was happening, and if I was a vig I'd shoot Dolby right this goddamn instant, because I think it's clear as day he's the ringleader behind all of this, and I inadvertently ruined his plans.

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Thanks for preserving me Dolby.

That was one of the worst attempted cfds and yet you fumbled the gun at the end. All things considered this is the best that could happen out of a situation that shouldn't have happened in the first place because I'm town and I still have the gut feeling Farobi is too so town numbers took at least a little less of a hit.

Talking to multiple people when I say this, particularly those I hoped but failed to create a solid towncore with (Dan/Evan): just because I voted something you didn't expect with an hour still on the clock doesn't mean it's a scumtell. Unravel was far from Maj and Punchy's points sold me on reconsidering Farobi, unravel was a solid alternative to Farobi as SK because of her sudden appearance at EoD, demonstration of having little interest in solving by actually saying what she did about Evan, coming off as confused in a way that seemed in genuine to me, and reaction to me resolving to sk hunting were all valid reasons to switch onto her to see what would come out of it if she flipped scum but y'all immediately lost your **** because I guess you don't know what testing a wagon is. But I'll also be fair and admit I didn't give myself enough time to explain what I was doing with that in full so I can understand in retrospect why it set off some alarms but I also had to catch up on people suddenly becoming active in the last few hours of a WEEK LONG day phase and try to find a compromise on SK because you specifically Dan, stated an aversion to lynching Dolby this day, so the only other compromise was Farobi with who had a chance of reaching that Maj. Except I wasn't fully settled on Farobi being scum after rereading him and then after ISOing Jacob I -still- didn't even feel confident that I found SK from spew because unravel wasn't particularly spewed from Jacob because of lack of a solid sus or pressure from him enough to justify a kill but Antonio could have made sense. Oh, and this was all during the chaos of work on my cellphone. That's why I wasn't able to fully explain my thought process as much as would have helped prevent this but if you seriously think that even as scum I wouldn't back up what I was doing then you don't remember me well at all. That's nai, and something I'll have to get done in this night phase, but you two in particular didn't read the situation as well as you should have and (this is at Evan) let the person you correctly analyzed and scumread manipulate you into falling into a tunnel vision based on a vote you could easily process if you took a moment to consider the context. Oh and y'all are still people who put tons of value on claims and me having to out as Vanilla Town furthers the process of elimination for someone who is already skilled at bluesniping so good job on that too.

And I counter-appeal the request to shorten the night phase because the more time I have to interact the better.

This was full on stupid but at least Dolby slipped up and didn't get the mislynch he wanted and it's his vote that could have made it happen so that's the silver lining I'm currently basking in.

ho-lee-**** can you break up your paragraph structure and use a few more ,'s and .'s??

For what it's worth, I can sort of buy your explanation on what you were doing with unravel, though I don't see why you really thought unravel was going to work out in your favor. By your vote, you had contradicted what you had said earlier in the thread. Looking back, it is odd of someone of your skill level to make a foolish play like that, and so I jumped on that as a scumtell. VT claim means **** as anyone can make that up - blue, VT, SK, or maf can all try to get away with that for various reasons. Honestly there's a bunch of little things that are adding up to make me suspect you more and more lately - there's no way I can be confident you're town anymore. The problem is, you are def antialigned with Dolby in my mind.

Speaking of which, sure, I should have stuck to my guns and not listened to Dolby at all. I can agree to that.

Really I don't see any silver lining to this - if we assume Farobi is SK or scum then Dolby's kept one of his partners or another KP around, and if you're town then even your death would have made it incredibly obvious what to do next. (And obv you being scum would have helped us either). Ik I did ruin Dolby's plan, but at the same time, there would have been a much better chance of receiving valuable intel no matter who flipped what. We're still flying pretty blind now (although I need to work on decoding the mess of the EoD more closely - at least that will give us some info)

Also what's spew? I assume that's just a term that means information gotten from a mess of dialogue or from someone's messy thoughts. Or it could be a typo

 

[Dolby]

Yeah, I’m gonna sleep soon and can’t address this in full, but on the sectionpertaining to the last five minutes of day, that’s blatantly false at 8:55, post #586, you posted “wait, the Dad vote can still go through? I’ll switch back if that’s the case”. After which you decided to afk. In short, you were fully aware of what was happening before “leaving” and decided not to act on it. You were clearly aware of what was happening, acknowledged it, and had the opportunity to put the vote back on Dad, switching back at the last possible moment to ensure less culpability and that a switchback wasn’t possible

Everything you’ve done has had the sunniest timing possible

 

[Geoni]

Evan, some quick responses here:

1) Sorry about the paragraph, it's not always easy to tell if something will come out too big on mobile and it also takes an extra second to use ' on the cell because I have to hit ?123, then ' , then ?123 to get back. Every. Single. Time.

2) Unravel can work out in my favor if she flips SK because it would make me feel better about both Farobi and Punchy in that situation and still provides a lot to think about with all the antagonism towards Farobi because if he's scum he's definitely SK and not mafia.

The only time I can recall the unravel slot feeling towny was when they were saying your posts weren't substantial enough and you have been one of the most substantial of D1 posters and I just thought it implied she wasn't teamed with Dolby, because that's a wrong and shallow reason to attack you and not at all up to par with Dolby's depth, contrived as it is. However as I was focusing in on Jacob's ISO he only really stated that scum was somewhere in myself, Dolby, Punchy, and Antonio and I was trying to look into the next two when things were spiraling into a cfd on me.

I actually now think Punchy might be SK but it's tinfoil stage - Farobi was looking like a probable lynch by EoD and were that to flip green, it looks good to have defended the slot with work shown. That could very well be TMI in a mafia way but there's something about it that feels independently approached and not in maf team's agenda given all the Farobi anti-aligns. In short, he'd hope for town cred.

3) Spew, by the way, is when a flip makes an interaction with flipped person either scummy or towny depending on what the flip was. For example say someone was lynched and flipped mafia and early day 1 they attacked someone over something really nitpicky or pushy and it blew up into a genuine looking argument between the two. That person would be considered spewed town. Spew from Jacob is more a starting point for looking further into someone rather than hard scumreading since I do agree that him being generally townread plays a part.

4) Silver lining is mostly personal in that I avoided being a day 1 mislynch (never happened on forum) and it was Dolby's fault and that definitely would be a huge rivalry achievement he almost had in his grip. Insanely close call too.

5) I didn't find it a lock scumtell in regards to unravel, that's why I said I was doing science when I voted it. It's very simple: see who hops on the wagon. If someone gross hopes on you definitely don't want to ride in it with them. That and that EoD activity from her felt different from Farobi in that she actually showed face when you're expected to and with a lot of implication she hasn't been interested in solving but interested in staying alive unlike Farobi, but that's where I feel interesting accuracy from Punchy, not that I'm 100% confident on town Farobi.

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Yeah, I’m gonna sleep soon and can’t address this in full, but on the sectionpertaining to the last five minutes of day, that’s blatantly false at 8:55, post #586, you posted “wait, the Dad vote can still go through? I’ll switch back if that’s the case”. After which you decided to afk. In short, you were fully aware of what was happening before “leaving” and decided not to act on it. You were clearly aware of what was happening, acknowledged it, and had the opportunity to put the vote back on Dad, switching back at the last possible moment to ensure less culpability and that a switchback wasn’t possible

Everything you’ve done has had the sunniest timing possible

What are some other examples of 'sunny timing' from Evan?

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I've got a lot to crunch out once I'm finally at a keyboard and haven't really had that for most of this game so far, so I'm of course happy about that too. That near cfd probably wouldn't have happened had I the time and keyboard to explain what was going through my head.

 

[cornimer]

What the freaking freak was that

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Is the whole Evan/Dad Are Definitely A Team thing based solely off the fact that Evan left his vote on Dad while feeding his cats or whatever
Because I mean he had a reason for being afk

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Yeah, I’m gonna sleep soon and can’t address this in full, but on the sectionpertaining to the last five minutes of day, that’s blatantly false at 8:55, post #586, you posted “wait, the Dad vote can still go through? I’ll switch back if that’s the case”. After which you decided to afk. In short, you were fully aware of what was happening before “leaving” and decided not to act on it. You were clearly aware of what was happening, acknowledged it, and had the opportunity to put the vote back on Dad, switching back at the last possible moment to ensure less culpability and that a switchback wasn’t possible

Everything you’ve done has had the sunniest timing possible

Oh he posted he was gonna switch back and THEN disappeared?
That's more suspicious

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But Dolby if you saw him say he was going to switch back to Dad, why did you switch back to Farobi?

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Is the whole Evan/Dad Are Definitely A Team thing based solely off the fact that Evan left his vote on Dad while feeding his cats or whatever
Because I mean he had a reason for being afk

*Evan left his vote on Farobi I mean

 

[Damniel]

Okay I'm all rested and looking back at what happened last night.

I think that the fact that we left it to the final 5 minutes to try to change a lynch was the risky play that unsurprisingly failed. Literally anything could happen within those 5 minutes, and I don't blame anyone like Evan or punchy for changing their vote the last minute (I didn't realize Dolby didn't vote Dad so I didn't change my vote back to Farobi). While Evan def had scummy behavior before those final minutes, I have issue with Dolby seeing that last minute change as a nail for him being scum. Intentionally doing that doesn't make much sense to me since it would would save Dad but outline both as scum. It would be a safer scum play to just allow Dad to be lynched and take town cred for it. While I'm not town reading Evan, I don't consider that vote as a clear scumtell. I'm also already seeing Dolby developing tunnel vision so please get yourself out of that.

Still though, after seeing his lack of defense and seemingly joking with the voting, I see Dad to be the most likely scum and Farobi still being high on my radar. Until we actually get a scum to flip, I'm not looking at teams yet

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Oh also I don't blame Toads for not voting since it seems clear he had little motivation to play, and if he wasn't done catching up with the game, it would be iffy to make an important vote like that

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I'm not reading until the next day, because if i get killed I will feel stupid for wasting my time reading for nothing....

Also why would you be killed you haven?t done anything. Commit the game or drop out tbh I?m tired of flaky players

 

[Antonio]

My internet is back on, what happened when I was offline? I thought everyone was down for farobi?

 

[Dolby]

^ banned for nudity /s

Ugh, I should have listened to my gut and not followed Dolby's orders. Strictly my fault for not being as attentive as I should have been EoD, though. I know for a fact I'm the scummiest person alive now and Dolby's gonna post a 69,000 word expose on why I voted when I did and why, but here's what really happened.

Get ready to get rekt

JUST VOTE DAD OR DOLBY PLEASE AND I'M ON BOARD

PICK ONE.

I will stick with Farobi like a stubborn mule if you dumbasses go after unravel.

As bad as your vote was this is def what I hate most about what you did in the last hour reading back. 8:08 PM, I think it was at 4 Farobi 3 Dad and you're still trying to push the narrative that I'm viable in an attempt to make it so the Dad wagon can be ignored. Switching scummiest timing for @Dad to think about when protecting his teammate

I posted my Farobi vote, then discussion about switching to Dad happened. Damniel brought up the unravel vote and inconsistency with what he was saying in thread. I also noted that and got very suspicious. BUT keep in mind I'm loosely keeping track of ONLY the MAIN THREAD in between commericals of a Hallmark movie I'm watching with family. So that's why my vote was switched to Dad only after he got a lot of votes piled on him. I did not monitor the voting thread, nor did I decide to "buss" him only after things were going well in his favor.

Tbf, I can 100% buy Dad being a vote on discontent with Unravel, and kinda with Farobi, being wagons. However, you should have been able to tell that momentum was going to Dad in thread rather than switch once it was to late to gain towncred

Then Dolby said "switch to Farobi, not enough votes on Dad." Ok makes sense, we need to get someone voted off. So I switch back and go take care of my cat's needs for a couple minutes. Come back and see another ****storm. Oh what the **** we're back to Dad now??? *changes vote* Now everyone's screaming at me for voting Dad and Dolby is saying I'm vote sitting??? WHAT THE HELL.

This is blatantly ****ing false, as I said in a previous post. You clearly registered that you were here and just decided not to switch IT LITERALLY WOULDVE TAKEN 10 SECONDS. There's no way town don't take that time to place a vote. In doing so, you decide to be "late" about it by four minutes, enough for us to lose our corrective ****. Whether you wanted the lynch to be on Farobi or for a no lynch to happen, I don't know, but you already blatant connection to Dad shown throughout this whole day has become even stronger

Frankly, I think that it's telling that you're coming back to townread Dad after I'm the only one who's really been against him post-EoD at this point (Dan is to but that was after this post). While I will agree that Dad's experimental vote was a bad reason to massvote him at the time, touching on your merge, what he did after (both between then and the wagon on him and ESPECIALLY after the wagon) was so ****ing scummy that I'm considering that he was trying to antispew rather than save himself.

I KNOW for a fact Dolby is going to tunnel me to death by saying "oh Evan intended to make it an NL and wanted to protect Farobi and Dad" but how can he blame me for trying to follow what he was saying to do? Thread was going so ****ing fast and Dolby was flopping like a goddamn fish on what the **** to do. On the one hand, I know it appeared like I was vote sitting, but on the other hand, I know it's just Dolby trying to paint me as bad as humanly possible and I don't appreciate it.

Interesting that you want to be aligned with Farobi now, another point in his favor I guess. So you're just gonna acknowledge that everyone SHOULD think you votesat but in reality it was Dolby who manipulated you being afk behind the scenes heh

Now I'll slink away and cry in my corner for being the most dumbass EoD voter ever but really, that's what was happening, and if I was a vig I'd shoot Dolby right this goddamn instant, because I think it's clear as day he's the ringleader behind all of this, and I inadvertently ruined his plans.

Any vig should shoot you. You've done literally nothing about me but a defensive tunnel

Dad's SK hunting because he knows he's outted but he wants town to consider his hunt after he's lynched D3

What are some other examples of 'sunny timing' from Evan?

His first vote on you, his switch to Farobi, his switch back to you. Frankly I meant that in reference to his votes

Either Evan or Dad can be lynched tomorrow and 100% we hit maf

But Dolby if you saw him say he was going to switch back to Dad, why did you switch back to Farobi?

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*Evan left his vote on Farobi I mean

He decided to afk at :55 and I noticed that he wasn't changing so I panic swapped

Dad and Evan DEFINETELY connect and the vote just solidifies it. Evan's been TRing Dad all day up until he's sussed by the majority, and Dad, while SRing Evan last night, has been elevating him throughout despite his scummy behavior, being noticably tame to his early day posts (which I consider especially scummy) for someone who's apparently top sus. I think his N0 sus was anti-spew in case he died

Okay I'm all rested and looking back at what happened last night.

I think that the fact that we left it to the final 5 minutes to try to change a lynch was the risky play that unsurprisingly failed. Literally anything could happen within those 5 minutes, and I don't blame anyone like Evan or punchy for changing their vote the last minute (I didn't realize Dolby didn't vote Dad so I didn't change my vote back to Farobi). While Evan def had scummy behavior before those final minutes, I have issue with Dolby seeing that last minute change as a nail for him being scum. Intentionally doing that doesn't make much sense to me since it would would save Dad but outline both as scum. It would be a safer scum play to just allow Dad to be lynched and take town cred for it. While I'm not town reading Evan, I don't consider that vote as a clear scumtell. I'm also already seeing Dolby developing tunnel vision so please get yourself out of that.

Mate this is exactly why I want Evan dead first

But besides that, I feel like Evan's constant TR of Dad and Dad's elevation of Evan at the period when his play was undoubtably questionable at best is proof enough of their connection

 

[Damniel]

My internet is back on, what happened when I was offline? I thought everyone was down for farobi?

A few people were willing to switch to Dad and I initially joined cuz Farobi wasn’t getting maj but then Dad became more sus so I stuck with it

 

[Dolby]

By “I want Evan dead first” I mean I feel like there’s a subcurrent within town that thinks Evan is town that will get larger after I die

 

[Antonio]

Why did everyone change their vote to Dad?

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Why did everyone change their vote to Dad?

Read and don't just act like a confused town

 

[Antonio]

A few people were willing to switch to Dad and I initially joined cuz Farobi wasn’t getting maj but then Dad became more sus so I stuck with it

Last time I checked, he was in the maj. Which post # did this start on?

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Read and don't just act like a confused town

Stop playing the blame game . I'm not confused, I just don't know what happened and what post it began on.

 

[Damniel]

The build up started like 8pm est yesterday

 

[Antonio]

The build up started like 8pm est yesterday

Alrighty, thanks. I just got to convert the forum time now...

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Last time I checked, he was in the maj. Which post # did this start on?

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Stop playing the blame game . I'm not confused, I just don't know what happened and what post it began on.

I'm not confused but I'm confused

 

[Antonio]

It doesn't, I was just saying that Antonio was forced to vote Farobi to attain maj

I wasn't forced to vote for anyone. I had sussed him before and we had to reach a majority (which apparently you all didn't even try to do, from what I'm reading). Plus, if farobi was scum then punchy opinions on him should have been brought up. I feel like the people who changed their minds on Farobi should have been atleast known/said something about reaching the majority and when night was about to end, someone should have brought it up. Well, everyone should have brought it up but hou get what I'm saying. I'm still reading, hold up. (I'm on #460)

 

[Dolby]

I wasn't forced to vote for anyone. I had sussed him before and we had to reach a majority (which apparently you all didn't even try to do, from what I'm reading). Plus, if farobi was scum then punchy opinions on him should have been brought up. I feel like the people who changed their minds on Farobi should have been atleast known/said something about reaching the majority and when night was about to end, someone should have brought it up. Well, everyone should have brought it up but hou get what I'm saying. I'm still reading, hold up. (I'm on #460)

Regardless of how you felt and your alignment, he was the only viable method to hit maj at the time

The switch to Dad wasn't a problem and we actually planned to switch back to Farobi if maj couldn't be achieved

 

[Antonio]

I'm not confused but I'm confused

I'm not confused though. I have been reading the pages back and forth but I thought there was like a single thing that dad did that appear so scummy that everyone decided to change their mind. Like a singular post, but I don't see much so far.

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Regardless of how you felt and your alignment, he was the only viable method to hit maj at the time

The switch to Dad wasn't a problem and we actually planned to switch back to Farobi if maj couldn't be achieved

But Y'all didn't, that's the problem.

 

[Dolby]

@Damniel and @Evan y'all are my townreads. This or Farobi?

unravel solidly doesn't feel like mafia but the aloofness at EoD from them pings me as forced when it's more than one moment of cluelessness about things this person wouldn't normally be clueless about, three moments as a matter of fact: Evan accusation, questioning that maf has a doc when it's clearly a switch as described in OP, acting confused with Punchy because not reading that he's coming where he's coming from because anti-align with Farobi (not reading = not solving).

#472 if you're looking for this Antonio