Mafia TBT Switch Mafia (Long Days and Nights)- ENDGAME @Page 120- Town Wins

[Damniel]

Dolby could you remind me again how to make post links, I forgot and I'll to know if I host next

 

[Biancasbotique]

HOST ANNOUNCEMENT:

Observer's Chat for this will be available for the eliminated contestants. PM will come soon.

 

[Dolby]

So far I've got: Farobi/Vanessa isn't a team. Vanessa was anti-Farobi to consistantly, her vote ended up on him and was one from maj for a bit

Howso?

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I don't think anything in Antonio's RQs is alignment indicative ftr.

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Where is dubiousdelphine

Defended Antonio but imo this isn't that indicative of a team

I hate making analysis on day/night one too but dang I get bad vibes from this post. He's literally saying nothing, and this:

sounds kinda forced imo

Also I think someone (unravel?) asked earlier what Farobi does as scum. iirc correctly last time he was scum was Woodpines Mafia, and he slowly started to become more inactive throughout the game (need to double check that) and also his posts got kinda contradictory

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No I'm not really down for a potential mislynch just to prove a point tbh

This is a big part of why I think that Farobi/Vanessa are strongly not a team vs weakly anti-aligned for the vote. At this point, the only person really going after Farobi at this point (#177) was Unravel and Vanessa decided to just jump on, so I'd say strongly that they aren't a team

Ok I looked back a bit myself and it's less contradiction and more just straight-up scummy things. For example:


He said that he "threw inactives into his lynch pool because there had to be more people that seemed scummy". I don' t think I need to explain what's wrong with that.

That being said, I know that's not relevant to this game where he's barely posted, which is why I didn't want to find quotes for Antonio. I was just saying for future reference that that is what I remember his meta to be.

I haven't formed my read on Antonio yet. I just thought him saying "let's all lynch me JUST to prove punchy wrong" isn't a good idea in the event that he is town.

I can DEF see Vanessa/Antonio for the record, not just here but all over her N0 posting she avoids making a opinion on it despite popular opinion being that Antonio is more scummy, but she just keeps coming to null on him and Punchy. Interestingly Dad's pressuring her here

Found an anti-align for Unravel while I was looking, but can't find it again

I really don't like this unravel wagon wtk

I've had my concerns about her but this feels scum motivated, things that randomly evolve out of EoD madness usually are in my experience

Why can't we just lynch Farobi like we've been planning

Yeah Vanessa/Farobi aren't a team

Hey uh here's my quick reads list to (hopefully not) add to the madness

In order from most town to least town

Damniel - I've explained before but he's been a solid town leader throughout the game
Evan - Also explained in my recent posts
Dad - His earlier accusations of me were annoying and reach-y but I don't think he's teamed with Dolby and Farobi and there hasn't been wrong with his other content
unravel - I was more sus of her for her minimal and bandwagon-y content before tonight, this wagon and Farobi's vote is making me think she is town (unless she is partnered with Farobi and they are trying to distance?)
Antonio - his tone reads as town to me but his content is questionable, he seems to be following the Farobi wagon just for the sake of it and he's barley provided reads on anyone aside from Punchy. However he's obviously not teamed with Punchy and right now Punchy looks more sus than him
Punchy - what is he doing right now?
Dolby - explained
Farobi - explained

Toads my lover is a complete null obviously

I'll leave you to take what you will from this but imo the only thing I really get is that Vanessa/Farobi isn't compatible. If Farobi is mafia he can only be with Antonio despite his vote

The only real thing that I get is Dad pressuring her, which is what I'm looking for rn. I'll do the Dad iso relative to Vanessa soon but imo this does reinforce the TR I had on Farobi earlier due to anti-aligns because the only team that can exist at this point with Farobi on it is Farobi/Antonio (and Toads if I want to consider him)

 

[PunchyTheCat]

okay so I do agree with Evan's preposition of Vanessa and then Antonio.

Vanessa is reminding me of mog (CTSTP) and dedenne (unsure, believe RHOM) as scum. No one could remember a single thing of content from either of them.

 

[amazonevan19]

Vanessa did TR dad, tellingly. But she also seemed to trust me a lot. If she flips town I think that confirms we go after Farobi/Antonio the next phase, and if she flips scum then we may need to buckle down and re-evaluate who the final team member could be.

 

[Dolby]

Dolby could you remind me again how to make post links, I forgot and I'll to know if I host next

url="http://www.belltreeforums.com/search.php?do=finduser&userid=&searchthreadid=&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1"]"Name"[/url]

This is the base you need to make a post link, the only thing that is added is a bracket at the start
There are three modifications that you need to make besides adding that bracket
One is a players user-ID added after "userid=" this is typically (though not always) a five or six digit number in their profile url(mine is 21288 if you want to search for where it is).
Another is the thread id, added after "&searchthreadid=", this localizes a users post to within a thread. This is a six-digit number that can be found within the url for the thread. The ID for this thread is 460937.

Lastly you need to remove the quotes and put the users name in place of "name". This doesn't actually effect the function, but it helps ID which link is which players within a thread

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I think what I'm getting rn is to not go for Farobi because of anti-aligns

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Also getting a strong reinforcement of Damniel not being mafia from Dad iso

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I'm trying to find contradiction and can't. Also that's a meta read that isn't exactly easy to apply in the moment.

Also what is your read on Antonio? Talking about what you are and aren't willing to mislynch already seems a bit unnecessary imo.

Tbh if Dad pressured one teammate to read another teammate that'd be lol

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Spoiler

Damniel: This is a turn-around from my very first impression, which I found scummy, but I like that he keeps asking the same questions I do and staying active as he tries to get more from people to discern where they are coming from and I think he's thinking about the game in a similar way to myself.
Jacob: A lot of this is tone but he falls in the category that Damniel does for me except less active during the last day or so of N0.
Unravel: Kind of just poking at things as they pop in here and then and there's something about the way they reapproach and comment on the most prevelant discussion such as Punchy v Antonio that at least feels unteamed.
Punchy: I think I like him a little more than Antonio in their argument even if what he is saying isn't satisfyingly explained it shows a cautionlessness that I see more from town than scum. Both are tunneling each other btw but Punchy started it. I was scum with him recently and he's from what I can tell a team player when scum and this attack on Antonio seems a push all his own. A lot of people are not liking the nullread moment and if I'm reading them correctly find Antonio kinda sus for it but Punchy's original reasons to start suspecting Antonio we're unique, super early, and feels uncoordinated.
Antonio: First of all I don't like the sense of appeal to me I got when he actually dug up his rqs quotes because it felt like forced transparency on a subject I think he got over defensive about but the case feels like a blown up counter tunnel. Given how many people criticized the nullread moment it feels like it's not something any if my highest suspects would approve of. I kinda read this as town v town.
Vanessa: Has picked up speed and reads at the end of nights but it felt like she just let the fight play out - I'd feel better about that being a scumtell if we started on day and she just wasn't voting when it was going on but yeah. I don't agree with some of her reads either.
Farobi: Isn't providing much, made excuses for not having to, and that gives me the vibe that he doesn't feel bothered to solve yet. I do remember him using excuses in that scumgame he was in with Tina as scum iirc.
Dolby: is not doing enough solving for his usual town self. Given how many people listed him as a fearkill choice I would be playing tonight like it could be my last but I'm not getting that from him. He popped in when Antonio looked his worst.
Evan: Super gut level here and I'm unsure if he's teamed with Dolby due to his last post but as I've explained (I think?) before I don't like his last post. I'm used to seeing him more active as town and iirc more willing to go back and forth with people. His last post just comes off as confusion-inducing and ghosting after a post like that, as a fight that could very well be tvt, is a bad sign for me.

Delphine is a complete null and should be replaced.

My three folks at the bottom here should be considered for the gallows tomorrow. The entire bottom five I'm thinking the team + sk is in, maybe Delphine but pure null right there.

If I missed someone they were forgettable and should also be considered.

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Oof I should have spaced that my bad

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Farobi I saw you down there, was it you or someone else who was teamed with Tina in one game in the past?

I'm committed to one or both of Antonio and Vanessa being maf and if it's only one he hid it well damn.

 

[Antonio]

I just woke up and it's 2PM like wtf xD

so did Antonio vote Farobi? obviously, he would to not vote scum daddy, I think that looks more sus than what Evan did.

I was offline when everything started at the end of day 1. If I was online, I would've voted for dad who was my third scum read in order to reach a majority. How is me not being online more scummy than evan exactly?

 

[Dolby]

I just woke up and it's 2PM like wtf xD



I was offline when everything started at the end of day 1. If I was online, I would've voted for dad who was my third scum read in order to reach a majority. How is me not being online more scummy than evan exactly?

Evan is doc

 

[Antonio]

Evan is doc

Is he really? Which post did he claim?

 

[Dolby]

I'm back and I see I'm almost dead, hate to break it to you but I'm the doctor so unvote my ass right this instant and mass Dolby.

You are now legally bound to eat a pile of hats and post it for all to see.

oof

 

[Antonio]

Ah, I must have missed that. No one counterclaim?

 

[Damniel]

Ah, I must have missed that. No one counterclaim?

Mostly likely no. His claim is pretty solid

 

[toadsworthy]

You still scummy babe, the best bet of scum I think

 

[Antonio]

You still scummy babe, the best bet of scum I think

Enough with the blame game, why am I so scummy?

 

[PunchyTheCat]

jesus christ if we kill antonio AFTER ALL OF MY TUNNELING aand people dismissing it as town v town

 

[Dolby]

... I take it night doesn't end until another 20 or so hours then.

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I can at least agree that if Antonio -is- scum that he's probably SK, a lot of people are critical of him atm and I argue that kind of case is insane for a teammate like Dolby to approve of most importantly.

Now that I think about it I am ruling out that partnership potential too easily it's just that I don't see you being fine with letting Evan disappear on such a post for the rest of a very long night with surprising amount of content.

IDK if my expectations of you are too high or it's just your new job but the Dolby I know does plenty of PoEing as town with all that's available, and it's much more than these micro games lately.

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Also if you can see me as teamed with Antonio despite knowing how controlling and cautioned I can be as scum towards my teammates then why wouldn't I be coaching Antonio here and in what world do I ever think a case post like the one he made should ever be put out there?

In terms of interaction from Dad this is probably the single one thing that would make me want to go for Antonio over Vanessa. While Punchy v Antonio is happening he is calm and pressuring both Antonio and Vanessa, but he grabbed the first opportunity he got to alignment read Antonio as SK if mafia, and henceforth acts as if he's town

Ok because night 0 is ending soon I think, I want to drop a little something in case I get killed and also because I feel like I haven't really contributed that much comparatively lol


IMO this has been the only post that I've seen that (at least to me) appears really town-telling



And this is the only other red flag that I've seen (I went back to read Evan's posts cuz he didn't have a lot so I thought maybe I could find something scummy )

In the 2 posts Evan has had there's a certain fixation on Dad. Calling him "dangerous" stands out to me because even if he is a good player, dangerous feels completely different. I too think Dad and Dolby are good players but I would fear kill them out of acknowledgement of their play style and not because I find either one dangerous. idk if that makes sense (IM RUNNING OUT OF TIME TO TYPE LOL) but theres a weird connotation that makes me think Evan is a little sus

TOTALLY SUBJECT TO CHANGE THATS JUST MY DAY 1 THOUGHTS

RECAP:
Dad - townlean
Evan - scum lean
unravel - scum lean

Found this looking back and considering Unravel potential SK for this

Vanessa is impossible to toneread, I've tried.

Was hoping this was AI but it isn't really, spent a good five minutes looking for the post it referred to, only to discover it was kinda sheepish

I want to snapvote you for this entire post tbh.

Probably the second thing from this that makes me want Antonio dead over Vanessa, probably the only time that he's critical of Vanessa thus far but tbh he's critical of neither of them. This is the beginning of what I'm looking for, trying to judge if he would vote Vanessa is Evan didn't vote Farobi

I'm just gonna link this one because it's large Link

But first indication that he's willing to Vanessa wagon. I personally don't think that he'd tie a teammate to me, and if he did, it'd be his self-stated weaker connection, Farobi

Tell me more about this Vanessa townlean, I'm curious.

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That's not 100% at all lmao, you were casting doubt on a reason I can't be aligned with Antonio here by bringing up a past game except I looked at the timing and I was online at the time so you not taking ownership of an actual meta-read like this makes me scumread you. Even moreso if Antonio flips town.

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When you say cross-reference here do you mean comparing this game to a past scum or town game of theirs? If you're too lazy to do Punchy and Antonio why would you even set up the expectation that you'd do it for Dolby? That's a much harder player. Not that I'm telling you not to because I'd be interested in seeing the work.

The unravel point in this post just feels like an easy read to have on her and justify unease with, not that I disagree with it.

This is big, this is probably Dad's first post that he really commits to the Vanessa SL and the only sense that I get that he would prefer her over Farobi. The whole post is just SoC ripping her apart. At this point he's abandoned pointing out Antonio, and instead is flipping over to Antonio being likely town and actually using him as a bludgeon to go after Vanessa at points

I like this post a lot actually. First paragraph matches my thoughts on Farobi although I would call what came after the merge there a cover up as much as I'd call it a 'this is why I didn't do ___' moment. Also I'll add that it doesn't amount to an entire excuse if only SK could kill, it can't be an excuse for either so or mafia really, but especially the latter.

Second paragraph just satisfies me because that tone feels unconfident in a scumread of Punchy and comes off authentically uneasy if that makes sense.

I'm not sure why you'd sus unravel for this, you can still townread someone even if you call their points illogical and overthought. If anything my question for unravel here is why she thinks Punchy explains himself well because it took a lot of us to finally get him to clarify some of his points.

Commits to TRing Antonio

GOAT post of the game thus far tbh, I'll unpack the thoughts/concerns I agree with (there are a lot) later but I'm on mobile. I think we more or less share our top suspects: Vanessa, Farobi, and Dolby which is why I'm willing to set aside earlier suspicion on this slot.

Yeah, at this point I'm willing to say Dad would prob vote Vanessa

Tempted to derpclear this.

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You're tunneling in on -one- moment of odd behavior and that's really not town you. Town you would still hold onto a read like this but move on to keep solving other potential scum.

Lmao

At this point I'd say that the points most in favor of Antonio is that he could be a pocket. However, in comparison to Vanessa I def get the feeling that Vanessa would be a vote if Evan had voted her instead of Farobi

I'm gonna cut this off here, if anyone wants to look at the last 50 of Dad's posts by all means go ahead

Teams rn are: Antonio/Vanessa, Antonio/Farobi, and I need to look into Unravel's compatiability with Vanessa and Antonio to get a determination on that

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As a note though, Farobi can only really be scum with Antonio. Toads techically be scum with anyone but Antonio rn I feel, but I think he's near clear

 

[Antonio]

I'm gonna claim becuase I'm sick of everyone just playing the blame game.

I am a Vanilla Townie: "Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions. You are, however, immune from SK attack on night 2."

 

[toadsworthy]

Enough with the blame game, why am I so scummy?

I’ll let you catch up on the game

 

[Antonio]

I'm reading currently and my biggest scum read is coming up Evan too

jesus christ if we kill antonio AFTER ALL OF MY TUNNELING aand people dismissing it as town v town

So, I'm back to scummy? Why can't you have your own opinions for once in your life.

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I’ll let you catch up on the game

I want you to explain it in a single post. I am caught up btw. I actually think there's a possible team with you and unravel.

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That quote on toad was misquoted, not sure how it got there.

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Your biggest sus at the time was evan but now he's not?

 

[Biancasbotique]

HOST ANNOUNCEMENT:

The game is paused.

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HOST ANNOUNCEMENT:

Upon deliberation on my part, Antonio (Temptations) has been modkilled. Quoting directly from your pm is a big no no and is cause for instant modkill in mafia.

Having said this, all immunity granted to town has been wiped out. I have no safeclaims to give to SK and mafia. I hope you understand.