Mafia TBT Switch Mafia (Long Days and Nights)- ENDGAME @Page 120- Town Wins

[Damniel]

Also if Farobi is really just town and his constant inactivity is really upsetting

 

[PunchyTheCat]

can someone give vanessa majority

my vote, and pretty sure dolby's vote is parked

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Can we prod Farobi and then replace him if he doesn't respond before N2?

 

[unravel]

EVAN CLAIM DOC OGMFOFKFMFJFHAHAUANA

 

[Damniel]

Okay Vanessa is def scum

 

[PunchyTheCat]

EVAN CLAIM DOC OGMFOFKFMFJFHAHAUANA

unravel give vanessa majority

 

[Dolby]

I remain fully committed to a Vanessa/Unravel world

 

[Biancasbotique]

can someone give vanessa majority

my vote, and pretty sure dolby's vote is parked

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Can we prod Farobi and then replace him if he doesn't respond before N2?

If he doesn't respond or make a post during the day, he will be replaced come day 3.

 

[Damniel]

Also I?m going to Washington D.C. on Saturday so I?ll be out most of the day. It?s only a 3.5 hour drive so I?ll be sure to be back for the final hours. But since we seem to be firm on Evan I?ll hope there?s no last min change

Reminder of this. Not planning on being glued to my phone so expect light reading until later tonight

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Minus the Evan bit and replace with Vanessa

 

[Dolby]

PoE before leaving, this is in terms of finding mafia. The only real SK read that I have is that it's probably not Damnial

Comf
Evan

Town
Damnial
Punchy

TL
Toads (I think there's a thin world where Toads is scum actually, and was defending Evan because he PR read him, thinking that if he was wrong, he'd get the towncred and not change the results)

The rest
Farobi
Unravel

Scum
Vanessa

I really don't see Farobi as either a Unravel or Vanessa teammate and am strongly committed to Damnial and Punchy being not maf, so yeah this all leads back to Vanessa/Unravel again

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Actually my vote really doesn't matter here. I'll switch to Vanessa for majority easily, but my vote is a statement that I think that unravel is her teammate

 

[toadsworthy]

Bleh, I think farobi is more likely scum

 

[PunchyTheCat]

ftr I don't like that vanessa is just lurking in the thread

 

[Dolby]

Bleh, I think farobi is more likely scum

In your view, who is his teammate?

 

[cornimer]

ftr I don't like that vanessa is just lurking in the thread

I posted twice that I would be lurking all day and why, smh

 

[amazonevan19]

on page 93 and I see Antonio got modkilled and was town.

Well shoot. Vanessa it is then?

 

[Dolby]

Rereading again, haven't been keeping notes, and would like to look into the half of the Dad ISO I didn't get to in terms of looking into Vanessa as a teammate, but I keep coming back to Vanessa/Unravel being the scum team. Farobi is sufficiently anti-aligned with both of them, Punchy and Dan both look insanely town, and Toads I feel is town through his effort today. Evan of course is comf

SK it gets tough because if the team ends up being Vanessa/Unravel it means that one of Punchy and Damniel has to be SK. Toads and Farobi are confirmed not SK, so it comes down to those two

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on page 93 and I see Antonio got modkilled and was town.

Well shoot. Vanessa it is then?

Yeah, it's near certain Vanessa imo. Ignore the fact that my vote's on Unravel, that's an opinion vote

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RN

Vanessa-(4)
Evan
Damniel
Punchy
Unravel

Farobi-(1)
Toads

Unravel-(1)
Dolby

Not Voting
Vanessa
Farobi

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Vanessa, are you cop? We're honestly just waiting for Dolby to switch to you, so we basically have majority. If you are cop, please claim now.

 

[cornimer]

Vanessa, are you cop? We're honestly just waiting for Dolby to switch to you, so we basically have majority. If you are cop, please claim now.

No I'm not cop, just a townie

I'm (finally) writing a post to explain my pick for scumteam

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How Farobi and Unravel could be teamed
Honestly? Not the pairing I would be leaning towards under other circumstances, but I honestly can't see anyone else being scum. And looking into it, I do think they could be compatible.

Don't know what to make out of N0 yet. I'm still getting in the swing of things and I'll be able to make better connections knowing the deaths by night's end. Antonio (temptations?) going hard on a null post is odd but his playstyle is unique to say the least, but this has been said a million times already so blegh. Don't have any leanings to place on other players yet so won't waste time on that. Mafia dont kill me tonight thx

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I will drown out all suspicions until night ends so don't think I'm scummy for not responding! I'm down for a little chat however, to allow whoever is willing to allow an exploration of another's alignments better, as long as it's not spammy

This doesn't lend anything to the pairing but just wanted to remind everyone how bad this post is.

I TR unravel, punchy, and evan. Between Dad and Dolby, I have no definitive read on either of them. Dad pushing for the idea of him being protected is odd since bianca explicitly mentioned there'd be only one kill tonight by the sk. His intentions give me mixed signals so it'll be nice to hear him out. Damniel also asks of this unclaimed protection so i'm not sure whether that's asking for actual curiousity or for the sake of appearing town. And for Dolby, he's generally suspicious and i cant read him well lmao so i'll just leave him on the same boat w/ Dad.

i can see a town thought process on evan in post #216, mainly cause i could follow a similar line of thought, but some people (dolby mainly) are picking out at it so it's either my reads are basic or dolby is an influential baddie. unravel and punchy are trs too because they're playstyle strike me as town atm, at least moreso than the rest of the players.

temptations and vanessa are a null for me. temptations i previously scumread with his inconclusive null case, but as of now it's not really something his teammates would allow of him in hindsight unless his teammates aren't active at that time. Vanessa is null because i dont recall her playstyle as much as mafia so i'll just have to read on her more. temptations more scummy than vanessa at least for me.

closest scum read i have is damniel, dad/dolby, and antonio. not super strong on them though but hey we got a week to figure this out lol

@ questions directed at me pages ago - i dont remember being in a scum team with tina from my memory. Also might've skimmed over some other questions directed at me so if anyone still retains any suspicions on me i can clear them out

Townreads unravel, avoids giving a real read on Scum Dad. I can't remember if Dad vs Dolby had started at this time yet, but he leaves it open that either could be his partner had he flipped

For the most part I wasn't aiming to persuade anyone here through logic, but more so push a statement that I have similar reads with Evan and that makes me believe he has town motivation. I know I'm town, and perhaps it is only me at this time who fully knows that if the detective hasn't taken a shot at me. I townread unravel and punchy more than others not even by their universal townreads but through my own deduction. I can read unravel easily because I know her style so if I'm wrong I'll give her five buckaroos irl. Punchy's TR for me is more influenced by the thread but I firmly believe that too. Also I don't recall unravel being universally TR though I may have skimmed some parts, so the universal townread on her has nothing to do with my own townread.

Interesting that he's on Evan's side, like Dad was.

Skimmed the thread with the scum axis discussion hulabaloo but what if me and evan are town cause that's what i'm dead set on atm.
Don't really get scummy vibes from him honestly but i tbf I skimmed like most of the thread (pls cut down on walls lol)

I'm down for an unravel lynch honestly. I do not see how Dolby would townread her for being absent while Vanessa gets branded as null for being just as inactive, so likely pair in there if she flips red. She really only actively went for me and conveniently placed her vote right as i gained suspicion and just as easily skadaddled out of the thread. Ik i said she was town-leaning before but i take that back on how ready she was to vote for me just as i posted my thoughts on the thread considering how "scumlike" my post was. I cant be too bothered to make a quote case rn but if you town please consider that switch thanks

After townreading her in what I think was his only other significant post about her, he suddenly votes to lynch her. I really don't see a logical progression here, so honestly, I think he knew (or thought, because it didn't happen) he was going down and decided to last-minute bus his teammate so that when he flipped scum, people wouldn't turn to unravel because "oh, Farobi voted for her, they must not be teamed."

Now, the complicating factor is that unravel was after Farobi since the beginning; it's not like she started bussing him when he was going down. Observe this post:

Chances are people are gonna jump on bandwagon which is a free kill for hostile team and theres one thing you guys forget, farobi hasn't posted anything ever since which gave me a lil bit of scummy vibe from what I've recalled correctly he is usually active as town but not so much as mafia idk how he plays as third party I'll give null on dub and slight scummy from Farobi

At this point, all Farobi had posted was RQS. And she was already saying he gave her scummy vibes? She was fixated on him from the beginning; it's almost like she decided before the game that she wanted to tunnel him...or should I say bus him...

Whats with me and Damniel? I didn't like how degrading his post is

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But Vanessa tone isn't kinda off in my opinion can you really explain "how off" her tone is

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Gimme a few mins I'm looking for the game where Vanessa is scum and I'm the TP I actually forgot what game it is also I'm going to drop the scum chat in that game (which I dunno if thats allowed tho)

As I recall correctly that last game I was dramatic unlyncher and Vanessa was Mafia crier (accdg to that quick topic I found) her tone changed mid/end game and the way she act towards the players which shes trying to convince people which majority people were amazed by the outcome

Interesting that she was defending me. Maybe she wanted to pocket me?

Spoiler: Really long post from Dolby attacking Evan's initial post

Yeah, you know, I actually dislike this post more than Scum Files TM upon closer inspection. Scum Files was weak but it was at least transpartent through it's conclusion. What we have here is only one definitive townread (which I feel is trying to get on Dad's good side), two nulls trying to mask themselves as townreads, one open nullread which sole purpose is to further a sus, and me and Dan which idk, could go either way as what masking as what.

The important thing is Evan is trying to create reads with nothing behind them and leave room for him to wiggle out. This is probably most prominently seen through his read on Punchy and Antonio as town v town, and procedes to cast severe doubt on his Punchy read and pretty much toss aside his Antonio townread to scumread him at the end, with the caveat being that Antonio can't really be teamed with me here. In such a way, he pretty much debased his Temptations read to have no value. His focus on Punchy calling Antonio out for supposedly scumslipping completely overwhelms his points to why Punchy is town that skimming through I could say "Evan thinks Punchy is scum" if it weren't for that first line.

His Damniel scumread is frankly baseless and based on the start of the game behavior if you want to give him benefit of the doubt. The only real point that he puts forward is that Dan TRs Unravel, ignoring that Dad has her as his second from top town, I've townread her. Basically a lot of people can read her and he just ignores all that to put a cheap shot into Damniel

Dolby strikes me as odd and going after me for "scumreading grammer", which I clearly didn't do. Sure bub

His Dad townread, the one real townread he has, against the person who scumreads him, is pretty bad to say the least. He shrinks Dad's reasoning to scumreading Evan to "being absent", and town reads Dad for, in "his view", scumreading inactivity. In such a way I think that he's trying to pocket Dad and make him drop his sus on Evan (yes, I'm completely ruling out Evan/Dad).

All three of his scumreads (me/Damniel/Antonio) he basically says are all anti-aligned or imcompatible with each other. This is such covering of the back for a potential townflip that I've breathless

So in conclusion

The only strong read that Evan has is on Dad, who debases Dad's case to "my inactivity" and begins to cozy up with him, townreading him for supposedly scumreading inactives which should be a red flag if he actually thinks this

He waters down all his townleans

His reasons for scumreading Damniel are pretty much nonexistant

And he's anti-aligning all of his scumreads (many worlds)

On another note, I noticed that it felt like Evan was only looking for reasons to scumread people and not searching for townleans. Gonna have to look back into his meta to see if that's atypical of him

After this post by Dolby, unravel posted:

not liking it, where are your townleans aside dad?

Which was where my original accusation of her piggybacking came from. This just struck me as trying to go with the majority opinion to blend in.

@unravel can you explain why you want to TL Dad and Dolby?

What I mean was as much I wanna TL them but it almost sound too good to be true if both of them are really town tbh

Like Farobi, she grouped Dad and Dolby and didn't really comment exclusively on either of them. Hmm.

During EoD, she switched between Farobi and Dad, her two teammates in this scenario, which takes away some of this team's plausibility. But I mean, those were the only two wagons at the time. Everyone was on one or the other. She had to be if she wanted to blend in.

The other thing that confuses me is that Dad voted for unravel during EoD, even though he had barely talked about her as far as I remember. The explanation I offer for this is that maybe, like Farobi and unravel had been doing, he wanted to bus and distance himself from her, but he didn't expect it to blow up to everyone turning on him. I want to look into more of Dad's posts and what he said about Farobi and unravel, but I've already spent 1.5 hours on this and am out of time. If I get more time I will look into Dad to add to this team-investigation-that-kind-of-turned-into-an-ISO-thing

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If Farobi flips maf then yeah, good look for unravel and 90% confident on unravel being town but only if maf.

Ok wait I found this and it's interesting, Dad was clearing the way to townread unravel should/when Farobi flip scum.

Hmmmmmmhmmhmm

 

[PunchyTheCat]

tbf in retrospect unravel could have said literally anything about the immunity and been told to edit her post, so I don't think unravel is clear. I literally said my thing a few minutes after antonio was modkilled. unravel could have seen that and tried to copy what I did later to make a fakeclear

 

[cornimer]

tbf in retrospect unravel could have said literally anything about the immunity and been told to edit her post, so I don't think unravel is clear. I literally said my thing a few minutes after antonio was modkilled. unravel could have seen that and tried to copy what I did later to make a fakeclear

Yeah this too, I don't think she should be clear for it. It happened hours after Antonio was modkilked so she easily could have copied what other people were saying

 

[Damniel]

Trying to use the whole mod thing is a cheap way of trying to clear yourself tbh. Only Antonio was modkiled so I don’t believe any claims

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Also I’m still at DC so I’ll need to look into Vanessa’s argument when I’m home

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I also would prefer we stop talking about the immunity out of respect for the host. There’s a lot of other things we could talk about