Terrorist Attack in Nice
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When will it end?
I saw footage of the streets after the accident and it was absolutely horrifying. I hope for peace and healing for the victims and families of the victims in Nice.
I saw footage of the streets after the accident and it was absolutely horrifying. I hope for peace and healing for the victims and families of the victims in Nice.
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You're correct, I messed up. Yesterday Hollande only said that it would be lifted on that day, rather than immediately.
After this attack French authorities have decided to keep the state of emergency in effect for another 3 months though. Hollande also said that France will intensify bombings in Syria and Iraq.
We're already doing this to begin with and we're still failing to stop attacks. Surrending liberties doesn't work.
RIP to those lost
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I don't know if increased surveillance of people would really help or not, but this seems like a case where something was missed that shouldn't have been. Someone doesn't just acquire a truck full of guns and grenades without any help and it isn't easy to hide something like that. France definitely has a problem. It goes beyond lone wolfs being inspired on the internet. There are likely areas in France where terrorists have the space to plan and prepare for attacks without having to worry about being caught, and maybe the country needs to increase surveillance to find these areas. I'd ordinarily choose liberty over defense, but in France the attacks are frequent enough and deadly enough that maybe it's time for a shift in policy there.
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Happy Bastille Day :/ This just makes me scared to go to any large gathering of people. As if I wasn't already super scared of that... *le sigh* Never leaving the house again
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I gave seen some unfortunate hashtags.
Fox News did a post that just did #Nice.
I've seen #NiceTerroristAttack and #NiceTruckAttack
I know it's pronounced "niece" but I still got a chuckle out if the hashtags
Fox News did a post that just did #Nice.
I've seen #NiceTerroristAttack and #NiceTruckAttack
I know it's pronounced "niece" but I still got a chuckle out if the hashtags
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I know I'm probably going to sound like an idiot but;
Doesn't that make us as bad as isis? Those oil fields must have belonged to their country and provided income to the innocents? In a way we're kind of destroying a country too. Oil is a valuable income for the whole world. And if Isis is someday stopped and the oil fields are destroyed how is the country going to survive? Plus the effect of the explosion could affect people around it, basically giving Isis another reason to attack. And it could not even be Isis, though it's unlikely it could have just been a drunk driver
Don't even get me started on trump -~-
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Yes. the US led air strikes led to at least 459 non-combant deaths, including 100 children. These people aren't western though, so their deaths are hardly reported and are just seen as collateral damage in the bigger task of destroying isis. It's a war, the US (and other western countries) have been bombing and causing needless wars in countries for years, but as soon as deaths happen is the west, problems start. We can kill, but not be killed. It's ****ing disgusting, but yes, lets bring Trump in to kill more, that'll obviously fix this mess, then the problem is solved, right, no more killing? The US (and other western couturiers) have been bombing Syria for nearly two years and that hasn't stopped anything, so attacking their oil is likely to do jack ****, but they'll do it anyway, regardless of the number of civilians we'll kill.
I don't know, maybe i'm just alone in the thought that killing is wrong.
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Are you from France?
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After nearly 2 years of bombing (September 2014-June 2016), the US-led coalition (14 countries including Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, and a few other Muslim countries) has killed under 500 civilians in Syria.
Russia (that's one country, though fairly big), in less than a year (September 2015-June 2016), killed nearly 2500 civilians in Syria.
Civilian casualties by ISIS are difficult to estimate, but they are definitely in the thousands. This article from a year ago states they executed nearly 1800 civilians in a year, and with mass graves being found near the cities captured by ISIS, the number is much higher.
These numbers are all from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
If you said Russia was as bad as ISIS, then just looking at the killcount I would say yes. But the US-led coalition? Not really.
That might sound awful, but at the same time, not bombing the region brings its own risks with it. People would feel abandoned and as if their lives really don't matter to the west, which in turn creates a lot more hatred. ISIS would use that hatred to grow their numbers, to turn the people they oppressed into people that will fight and die for them, and that's something we want to prevent. So we choose to bomb, and in these bombings there are sadly going to be civilian casualties, but fewer casualties than there would be if we stopped bombing. It's literally choosing the lesser of two evils.
Definite numbers of casualties and injured are now known. 84 dead including 10 children and teenagers, 202 injured of which 52 critically.
Russia (that's one country, though fairly big), in less than a year (September 2015-June 2016), killed nearly 2500 civilians in Syria.
Civilian casualties by ISIS are difficult to estimate, but they are definitely in the thousands. This article from a year ago states they executed nearly 1800 civilians in a year, and with mass graves being found near the cities captured by ISIS, the number is much higher.
These numbers are all from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
If you said Russia was as bad as ISIS, then just looking at the killcount I would say yes. But the US-led coalition? Not really.
That might sound awful, but at the same time, not bombing the region brings its own risks with it. People would feel abandoned and as if their lives really don't matter to the west, which in turn creates a lot more hatred. ISIS would use that hatred to grow their numbers, to turn the people they oppressed into people that will fight and die for them, and that's something we want to prevent. So we choose to bomb, and in these bombings there are sadly going to be civilian casualties, but fewer casualties than there would be if we stopped bombing. It's literally choosing the lesser of two evils.
Definite numbers of casualties and injured are now known. 84 dead including 10 children and teenagers, 202 injured of which 52 critically.
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