The ACNH Rant Thread

[VanitasFan26]

I'm happy with this game for the most part, and I know that the employees at Nintendo probably worked really hard to create this game from scratch with a new engine, implementing new ideas (crafting), and making all of the small details as perfect as possible, but I do still scratch my head about a few things every now and again. Why did Brewster's face appear in one of the first trailers, but we still don't have the coffee shop? Where are gyroids? Why are so many iconic furniture sets missing entirely? Why is the villager dialogue so repetitive?

Like I said, I know this game was probably difficult to program, and maybe I'm being impatient, but the drip-fed content is sort of disappointing. It really is strange that what we received for the one-year anniversary is kind of... nothing lol.

Thats why I made that thread "I'm concerned about the Future of New Horizons" and let me just say people are mixed about it. Some people said that they are fine with how the game is and they still enjoy it, while others like myself and you think the game should be improved and have more added to it. I do see both sides of the argument but like I mentioned its important to acknowledge the flaws of the game regardless if you like it or hate it. I really don't like when I see threads like "ACNH Positivity" because I feel like people are just ignoring the problems and issues that the game has and that can create a lot of arguments. Thats known as "toxic positivity"

Don't get me wrong I am not against anyone having a different opinion or viewpoint but still it really bothers me how people can just ignore the flaws of the game and then try so hard to defend the game as if it doesn't have a problem. Its hard because whenever I or someone else criticizes the game we often get called and saying how our opinions are "objective" or "entitled" which I think is ridiculous.

 

[Moritz]

Thats why I made that thread "I'm concerned about the Future of New Horizons" and let me just say people are mixed about it. Some people said that they are fine with how the game is and they still enjoy it, while others like myself and you think the game should be improved and have more added to it. I do see both sides of the argument but like I mentioned its important to acknowledge the flaws of the game regardless if you like it or hate it. I really don't like when I see threads like "ACNH Positivity" because I feel like people are just ignoring the problems and issues that the game has and that can create a lot of arguments. Thats known as "toxic positivity"

Don't get me wrong I am not against anyone having a different opinion or viewpoint but still it really bothers me how people can just ignore the flaws of the game and then try so hard to defend the game as if it doesn't have a problem. Its hard because whenever I or someone else criticizes the game we often get called and saying how our opinions are "objective" or "entitled" which I think is ridiculous.

You know it is actually possible that people don't see the things you dislike about the game as flaws and that people are actually happy with the product right?
Its hardly toxic to voice the fact that you legitimatly enjoy something.

People say things like lack of NPCs are flaws. I genuinely don't care and don't want a load of redundant character back. Like the post office? Don't need to waste space on that building to do a task I can already do. Especially if it's made less convenient.
Lack of brewster or gyroids. Not a flaw to me. Genuinely don't care about getting coffee and I never liked gyroids.

I dont find the dialogue repetitive. Apart from when I have 2 of the same personality. I wish something could be done about that. But I still enjoy talking to my villagers and love them all.

Its not toxic to be happy. It is toxic to be annoyed that others are happy.

 

[yukikotobuki]

Thats why I made that thread "I'm concerned about the Future of New Horizons" and let me just say people are mixed about it. Some people said that they are fine with how the game is and they still enjoy it, while others like myself and you think the game should be improved and have more added to it. I do see both sides of the argument but like I mentioned its important to acknowledge the flaws of the game regardless if you like it or hate it. I really don't like when I see threads like "ACNH Positivity" because I feel like people are just ignoring the problems and issues that the game has and that can create a lot of arguments. Thats known as "toxic positivity"

Don't get me wrong I am not against anyone having a different opinion or viewpoint but still it really bothers me how people can just ignore the flaws of the game and then try so hard to defend the game as if it doesn't have a problem. Its hard because whenever I or someone else criticizes the game we often get called and saying how our opinions are "objective" or "entitled" which I think is ridiculous.

Well, there's nothing wrong with being 100% happy with the game, and I don't think that video game companies are ever going to be able to please everyone, but I agree that there's nothing wrong with talking about what some perceive as flaws. Idk I think some people just look at criticism and HAVE to come to Nintendo's defense for whatever reason. Personally, I think they did an excellent job, but I'm just curious as to why some things seem to be missing. That's all.

 

[VanitasFan26]

You know it is actually possible that people don't see the things you dislike about the game as flaws and that people are actually happy with the product right?
Its hardly toxic to voice the fact that you legitimatly enjoy something.

People say things like lack of NPCs are flaws. I genuinely don't care and don't want a load of redundant character back. Like the post office? Don't need to waste space on that building to do a task I can already do. Especially if it's made less convenient.
Lack of brewster or gyroids. Not a flaw to me. Genuinely don't care about getting coffee and I never liked gyroids.

I dont find the dialogue repetitive. Apart from when I have 2 of the same personality. I wish something could be done about that. But I still enjoy talking to my villagers and love them all.

Its not toxic to be happy. It is toxic to be annoyed that others are happy.

Clearly you are misunderstanding what I'm saying. I clearly said that I do see what people are saying and I understand from their viewpoint that they enjoy the game which is fine I don't have a problem with that. The issue is whenever we call out something wrong with the game we often get attacked because people don't seem to enjoy us critizing the game when there is a flaw.

Of course I am not hear to tell you how you enjoy the game. What you say is your opinion and thats fine. What I am trying to say is that people need to be more open and honest about what really is wrong with the game. If they ignore all these flaws with the game it will not be improved.

Yes I know there is the argument that people don't see what the big issue is but I think the problem is that because the game focuses more on designing it just feels like you have to design your island so often. There are some people out there who don't want to do that and they just want to chill with the game. However, the whole design thing has really got to them. Which is why people like me took a break from the game.

You can disagree with me all you want and thats fine, but I stand by with what I said that people need to acknowledge the flaws of the game and what shall be improved. If we ignore this the game will not be improved. I am happy that they finally added in more custom designs and that is something people have wanted. Feedback does help make a game better.

 

[annex]

I like taking pictures of my villagers doing cute things. Why do they always ruin it? Every single time. Just as I'm about to take the pic, they get up or stop fishing, etc. I know they will do this, so I hurry, but no matter how fast I am, they are faster.

 

[Moritz]

Clearly you are misunderstanding what I'm saying. I clearly said that I do see what people are saying and I understand from their viewpoint that they enjoy the game which is fine I don't have a problem with that. The issue is whenever we call out something wrong with the game we often get attacked because people don't seem to enjoy us critizing the game when there is a flaw.

Of course I am not hear to tell you how you enjoy the game. What you say is your opinion and thats fine. What I am trying to say is that people need to be more open and honest about what really is wrong with the game. If they ignore all these flaws with the game it will not be improved.

Yes I know there is the argument that people don't see what the big issue is but I think the problem is that because the game focuses more on designing it just feels like you have to design your island so often. There are some people out there who don't want to do that and they just want to chill with the game. However, the whole design thing has really got to them. Which is why people like me took a break from the game.

You can disagree with me all you want and thats fine, but I stand by with what I said that people need to acknowledge the flaws of the game and what shall be improved. If we ignore this the game will not be improved. I am happy that they finally added in more custom designs and that is something people have wanted. Feedback does help make a game better.

So long as we both agree that flaws are subjective and just because some people see major flaws, for others those things might not be flaws at all.

Basically to acknowledge that nothing in life is perfect so there is always room for improvement.

I can get behind that idea so long as it is that and not that there are objective set flaws that the game has and aren't up for debate or a matter of opinion.

But I still don't understand how those who are actually just happy with the game not talking about minor issues or seeing other people's issues makes them toxic

 

[VanitasFan26]

So long as we both agree that flaws are subjective and just because some people see major flaws, for others those things might not be flaws at all.

Basically to acknowledge that nothing in life is perfect so there is always room for improvement.

I can get behind that idea so long as it is that and not that there are objective set flaws that the game has and aren't up for debate or a matter of opinion.

But I still don't understand how those who are actually just happy with the game not talking about minor issues or seeing other people's issues makes them toxic

Well the thing is sometimes when people are too positive for the game they would try to call you out and say how you should be "grateful" and telling others "well if you hate the game just go play something else" I seen that happen in debates and even I gotten into in argument with my friend when she was telling me there was nothing with the online for the game and I should just "suck it up". To me thats where the toxic comes from when people ignore what you're saying and then tries to insult you as if your opinion doesn't matter to them.

Thats the issue there. People enjoying the game is not toxic I don't want you to think that, but when people try to dismiss other people's viewpoint and call them "objective" or just "entitled" thats where it comes off as toxic.

 

[Moritz]

Well the thing is sometimes when people are too positive for the game they would try to call you out and say how you should be "grateful" and telling others "well if you hate the game just go play something else" I seen that happen in debates and even I gotten into in argument with my friend when she was telling me there was nothing with the online for the game and I should just "suck it up". To me thats where the toxic comes from when people ignore what you're saying and then tries to insult you as if your opinion doesn't matter to them.

Thats the issue there. People enjoying the game is not toxic I don't want you to think that, but when people try to dismiss other people's viewpoint and call them "objective" or just "entitled" thats where it comes off as toxic.

I know I've called it entitled before but to me the difference comes down to if its a "I would like" vs a "I should have" if you know what I mean?

Like if people think Nintendo should have given them something in an update but they didn't get it and are now angry. I think they are entitled.

If someone wanted something and is disappointed it didn't happen but understand that they aren't owed anything just because they bought the game, then they're not entitled. They're just human.

 

[VanitasFan26]

I know I've called it entitled before but to me the difference comes down to if its a "I would like" vs a "I should have" if you know what I mean?

Like if people think Nintendo should have given them something in an update but they didn't get it and are now angry. I think they are entitled.

If someone wanted something and is disappointed it didn't happen but understand that they aren't owed anything just because they bought the game, then they're not entitled. They're just human.

The thing is people shouldn’t be so defensive when it comes to other people’s opinions. Some will only have good things to say and others will have words of improvements but to confront someone because their viewpoint is completely different from theirs is ridiculous that they feel the need to call them out for it.

While its true and valid that everyone has different viewpoints and opinions, everyone needs to remember it’s all opinion based with anything in life there will always be those like love and those that don’t but like I mentioned earlier it’s important to acknowledge what could be improved on too.

 

[meggiewes]

I really don't like when I see threads like "ACNH Positivity" because I feel like people are just ignoring the problems and issues that the game has and that can create a lot of arguments. Thats known as "toxic positivity"

Do you also consider this ACNH Rants thread toxic too? Because the ACNH Positivity thread came from a time on the forums whenever anybody said anything remotely positive they were bombarded by people saying that they shouldn't be happy with anything in ACNH because the game isn't as good as the past games.

If you don't consider this ACNH Rant thread toxic, why is it not toxic? I am asking because I honestly don't understand your perspective on why people talking about things they like is automatically considered "toxic positivity".

To me, that iike saying that a bunch of people talking about how much they love peanut butter and jelly are being deliberately mean and insulting to people with peanut allergies.

 

[VanitasFan26]

Do you also consider this ACNH Rants thread toxic too? Because the ACNH Positivity thread came from a time on the forums whenever anybody said anything remotely positive they were bombarded by people saying that they shouldn't be happy with anything in ACNH because the game isn't as good as the past games.

If you don't consider this ACNH Rant thread toxic, why is it not toxic? I am asking because I honestly don't understand your perspective on why people talking about things they like is automatically considered "toxic positivity".

To me, that iike saying that a bunch of people talking about how much they love peanut butter and jelly are being deliberately mean and insulting to people with peanut allergies.

Once again and I have to repeat myself again you are misunderstanding. I clearly said that I do see what people are saying and I understand from their viewpoint that they enjoy the game which is fine I don't have a problem with that. Same thing with the Rant Thread its not toxic, I do see it as a good way to open up how you really feel about the game. However, the issue is whenever we call out something wrong with the game we often get attacked because people don't seem to enjoy us critizing the game when there is a flaw.

The thing is sometimes when people are too positive for the game they would try to call you out and say how you should be "grateful" and telling others "well if you hate the game just go play something else" I seen that happen in debates and even I gotten into in argument with my friend when she was telling me there was nothing with the online for the game and I should just "suck it up". To me thats where the toxic comes from when people ignore what you're saying and then tries to insult you as if your opinion doesn't matter to them.

Thats the issue there. People enjoying the game is not toxic I don't want you to think that, but when people try to dismiss other people's viewpoint and call them "objective" or just "entitled" thats where it comes off as toxic.

 

[magicalgrrrlz]

i resisted the urge to rant about this when i got peach's crown, but why... do some of the crowns just not sit properly on the character's head. (at least with the long wavy hair.) the flower crowns were terrible for this reason, in that they just sit on top of your head instead of looking like actual flower crowns. peach's crown has a visible gap between the crown and my character's head even outside of the wardrobe. the prom crown (based on the photo i've seen) looks like it's doing the same thing, if not slightly worse, and the hello kitty hat... it looks like i'm wearing a plastic bowl asdfghjk. it just seems slightly off-model? i don't know how to explain it, but it's actually sending me. why did they make the brim or whatever so wide? i'm pretty sure the regular animal ear hats don't look like that. what happened?

it's not groundbreaking or anything. (flower crowns not included. those are flat out awful.) i just don't understand it and felt the need to rant because i think having crown accessories (or hats, in this case) sit on the head/hair properly was/is a reasonable thing to expect.

I hate the how the flower crowns look, for some reason they only look good with afro puffs and thats it. Like flower crown just don't sit on the head like that

 

[Moritz]

Once again and I have to repeat myself again you are misunderstanding. I clearly said that I do see what people are saying and I understand from their viewpoint that they enjoy the game which is fine I don't have a problem with that. Same thing with the Rant Thread its not toxic, I do see it as a good way to open up how you really feel about the game. However, the issue is whenever we call out something wrong with the game we often get attacked because people don't seem to enjoy us critizing the game when there is a flaw.

The thing is sometimes when people are too positive for the game they would try to call you out and say how you should be "grateful" and telling others "well if you hate the game just go play something else" I seen that happen in debates and even I gotten into in argument with my friend when she was telling me there was nothing with the online for the game and I should just "suck it up". To me thats where the toxic comes from when people ignore what you're saying and then tries to insult you as if your opinion doesn't matter to them.

Thats the issue there. People enjoying the game is not toxic I don't want you to think that, but when people try to dismiss other people's viewpoint and call them "objective" or just "entitled" thats where it comes off as toxic.

I read it both times you typed it and I still don't understand your reasoning here either. It kinda feels like youre arguing 2 different things at the same time while conflating them and making them interchangeable. It's a little confusing.

But I suppose it doesn't really matter.
You have your reasons to think the way you do and I have mine as well.

So I guess agree to disagree on... pretty much everything here apart from things being subjective haha

 

[meggiewes]

Once again and I have to repeat myself again you are misunderstanding. I clearly said that I do see what people are saying and I understand from their viewpoint that they enjoy the game which is fine I don't have a problem with that. Same thing with the Rant Thread its not toxic, I do see it as a good way to open up how you really feel about the game. However, the issue is whenever we call out something wrong with the game we often get attacked because people don't seem to enjoy us critizing the game when there is a flaw.

The thing is sometimes when people are too positive for the game they would try to call you out and say how you should be "grateful" and telling others "well if you hate the game just go play something else" I seen that happen in debates and even I gotten into in argument with my friend when she was telling me there was nothing with the online for the game and I should just "suck it up". To me thats where the toxic comes from when people ignore what you're saying and then tries to insult you as if your opinion doesn't matter to them.

Thats the issue there. People enjoying the game is not toxic I don't want you to think that, but when people try to dismiss other people's viewpoint and call them "objective" or just "entitled" thats where it comes off as toxic.

I understand that.

I've seen both sides call each other entitled on this forum. It is a problem and I'm sad that it is happening. Especially since it wasn't a problem when New Leaf came out. I don't know what it is about ACNH that has made both sides more vicious.

But, that was not the thing I wasn't understanding.

You said that you didn't like seeing threads like the ACNH Positivity thread because you feel like people are ignoring the problems that ACNH has in a thread that was started to share good things about the game. Did I understand that right?

If I did understand that correctly, then why should the ACNH Positivity thread be used to acknowledge problems if the entire forum is already acknowledging that ACNH has problems? I haven't seen anyone on this forum claim that ACNH is an absolutely perfect game and nothing should be changed.

That is where I am coming from. That's why I said I didn't understand your perspective.

If I understood that completely wrong, then I'm sorry. That's my bad and thanks for taking the time to explain.

 

[WaileaNoRei]

Once again and I have to repeat myself again you are misunderstanding. I clearly said that I do see what people are saying and I understand from their viewpoint that they enjoy the game which is fine I don't have a problem with that. Same thing with the Rant Thread its not toxic, I do see it as a good way to open up how you really feel about the game. However, the issue is whenever we call out something wrong with the game we often get attacked because people don't seem to enjoy us critizing the game when there is a flaw.

The thing is sometimes when people are too positive for the game they would try to call you out and say how you should be "grateful" and telling others "well if you hate the game just go play something else" I seen that happen in debates and even I gotten into in argument with my friend when she was telling me there was nothing with the online for the game and I should just "suck it up". To me thats where the toxic comes from when people ignore what you're saying and then tries to insult you as if your opinion doesn't matter to them.

Thats the issue there. People enjoying the game is not toxic I don't want you to think that, but when people try to dismiss other people's viewpoint and call them "objective" or just "entitled" thats where it comes off as toxic.

but you didn’t only say you don’t like when people shout down those criticizing the game, you said

I really don't like when I see threads like "ACNH Positivity" because I feel like people are just ignoring the problems and issues that the game has and that can create a lot of arguments. Thats known as "toxic positivity"

and that is the part that is unfair and untrue - it is not toxic positivity to like something, the thread is about celebrating things that people genuinely like.

toxic positivity is when you refuse to allow others to dislike something, which does exist, in places but is not what you are describing above. Imo a clearly labeled thread for specifically celebrating the positive is the opposite of toxic. It clearly labels it’s purpose so people can ignore it if they want, just like this thread.

it is also toxic to not allow others to enjoy things they enjoy or even to not allow people to pretend to enjoy something, for example in a clearly labeled positivity thread which no one else is forced to read.

it is unfair to assume everyone who says positive things is ignoring problems and it does indeed imply that only those who are critical have the ‘right’ views.

I think maybe you misworded what you said, but that is the particular phrase which is causing issues for people

if what you want to say is people should feel however they want about the game, good and bad, and feel safe expressing that (again, even if their views are 100% positive or 100% negative) then yes, I agree.

 

[VanitasFan26]

but you didn’t only say you don’t like when people shout down those criticizing the game, you said




and that is the part that is unfair and untrue - it is not toxic positivity to like something, the thread is about celebrating things that people genuinely like.

toxic positivity is when you refuse to allow others to dislike something, which does exist, in places but is not what you are describing above. Imo a clearly labeled thread for specifically celebrating the positive is the opposite of toxic. It clearly labels it’s purpose so people can ignore it if they want, just like this thread.

it is also toxic to not allow others to enjoy things they enjoy or even to not allow people to pretend to enjoy something, for example in a clearly labeled positivity thread which no one else is forced to read.

it is unfair to assume everyone who says positive things is ignoring problems and it does indeed imply that only those who are critical have the ‘right’ views.

I think maybe you misworded what you said, but that is the particular phrase which is causing issues for people

if what you want to say is people should feel however they want about the game, good and bad, and feel safe expressing that (again, even if their views are 100% positive or 100% negative) then yes, I agree.

Again I cannot stress this enough I am not saying that anyone who is enjoying the game is toxic. If it did come off as me saying that the thread I mentioned was toxic then I'm sorry I interrupted that way, but again the point that I'm trying to say is that people shouldn’t be so defensive when it comes to other people’s opinions. Some will only have good things to say and others will have words of improvements but to confront someone because their viewpoint is completely different from theirs is ridiculous that they feel the need to call them out for it. While its true and valid that everyone has different viewpoints and opinions, everyone needs to remember it’s all opinion based with anything in life there will always be those like love and those that don’t but like I mentioned earlier it’s important to acknowledge what could be improved on too.

 

[heaven.]

i wish there was a way to toggle off villagers talking about non-friend players that have visited your island. i'm sick of my villagers talking about a random person i traded with weeks ago, yet there's never any mention of my husband or best friend? i'd rather they not say anything about visitors at all at this point...

 

[VanitasFan26]

I understand that.

I've seen both sides call each other entitled on this forum. It is a problem and I'm sad that it is happening. Especially since it wasn't a problem when New Leaf came out. I don't know what it is about ACNH that has made both sides more vicious.

But, that was not the thing I wasn't understanding.

You said that you didn't like seeing threads like the ACNH Positivity thread because you feel like people are ignoring the problems that ACNH has in a thread that was started to share good things about the game. Did I understand that right?

If I did understand that correctly, then why should the ACNH Positivity thread be used to acknowledge problems if the entire forum is already acknowledging that ACNH has problems? I haven't seen anyone on this forum claim that ACNH is an absolutely perfect game and nothing should be changed.

That is where I am coming from. That's why I said I didn't understand your perspective.

If I understood that completely wrong, then I'm sorry. That's my bad and thanks for taking the time to explain.

I misunderstood the thread when I saw it. I'm sorry its just that because I've had bad experiences with people especially when I gotten into an argument with my friend who told me to "suck it up" when we were arguing about the online not being better. I get frustrated when people do that and thats the part I meant is toxic.

Let me clear up something both the ACHN Positivity and ACHN Rant are not toxic and both of them are different in their own ways to express how you feel about the game. I get that and I know understand better of what the intention is. The problem is that when you have certain people who sneak in and tries to act like your opinion doesn't matter it rubs me and others the wrong way. That was the problem I was having.

I know what I'm saying is not going to change others opinions and thats fine because again everyone has different viewpoints and opinions but the thing is we should not be too defensive whenever someone like calls out a flaw in the game, it should be acknowledged.

 

[WaileaNoRei]

Again I cannot stress this enough I am not saying that anyone who is enjoying the game is toxic. If it did come off as me saying that the thread I mentioned was toxic then I'm sorry I interrupted that way, but again the point that I'm trying to say is that people shouldn’t be so defensive when it comes to other people’s opinions. Some will only have good things to say and others will have words of improvements but to confront someone because their viewpoint is completely different from theirs is ridiculous that they feel the need to call them out for it. While its true and valid that everyone has different viewpoints and opinions, everyone needs to remember it’s all opinion based with anything in life there will always be those like love and those that don’t but like I mentioned earlier it’s important to acknowledge what could be improved on too.

yes, I agree with what you are saying here and would only add that I think it is important for people to be able to acknowledge what could be improved, but also okay for people who don’t want to look at the game critically to just completely enjoy it, and not want any improvements (if those people do exist - that is kind of a hypothetical). But no one should force you to feel a way you don’t and I’m sorry you have had bad experiences with that.

even me, hopelessly addicted as I am gets frustrated sometimes when crafting fish baits one by one or craves little extras just because.

Just want to add that although we disagree on things, I really appreciate that you take the time to engage and explain and discuss these issues and misunderstandings.

 

[Moritz]

I misunderstood the thread when I saw it. I'm sorry its just that because I've had bad experiences with people especially when I gotten into an argument with my friend who told me to "suck it up" when we were arguing about the online not being better. I get frustrated when people do that and thats the part I meant is toxic.

Let me clear up something both the ACHN Positivity and ACHN Rant are not toxic and both of them are different in their own ways to express how you feel about the game. I get that and I know understand better of what the intention is. The problem is that when you have certain people who sneak in and tries to act like your opinion doesn't matter it rubs me and others the wrong way. That was the problem I was having.

I know what I'm saying is not going to change others opinions and thats fine because again everyone has different viewpoints and opinions but the thing is we should not be too defensive whenever someone like calls out a flaw in the game, it should be acknowledged.

This clears up my confusion now
I was struggling to work out how what you said related to why you felt the thread was toxic. But if you misunderstood what the thread was its understandable we wouldn't see eye to eye on it.