Mafia The Battle of the Nobles- Endgame

[unravel]

I haven't post my reads for my few post and I'm going to do the same thing.

Strong townlean
? Heyden - was the one who called out Punchy and Ness (I give additional info what he's trying to say then Evan did).
? Vanessa - I personally dont think she would take a risk to get rid of jacob and also she is willing to suggested to get rid of punchy for the sake of information, I believe this is not anti town.


Slight townlean
? Chele - Give's full information
? Mog - Contributes a lot, her post isnt forced

Null
? Toads - This will depend on Punchy's dead alignment; He only talks about Punchy
? Bianca - Depends on Punchy's alignment

Slight suspicion
? Rune - This really raise me a lot of questions from Evan incident (I really bet Evan, Dolby and the rest who are observing are legitimately triggered by now). Didn't give reason on Evan's execution he is under read flag if Punchy is scum

Suspicions
? Punchy - I dont have to explain this. If he's still alive the next phase and we still have no leads I'm willing to volunteer to leave the game.
? Ness - as I explain from this post

Spoiler: Jacbob's reads | Ness as townlean together with Chele and Bianca

If punchy flips scum I think obv lynch toads next, they're WAY too buddy-buddy.

Not entirely sure why kingmaker picked rune but they're not the worst choice. I'm really not liking their not following majority...but if we don't have many MLs then kingmaker exists for a reason, to potentially override a bad decision from the broader playerbase.

Who did Jacob townread again? Why aren't we looking into them more?

Chele
Ness
Bianca
Antonio
Mog
Unravel
Trundle

I don't really have thoughts on anyone else

Jacob's list from last night. Note the Chele, Ness, and Bianca town leans. I think there is a good chance one of those three is mafia.

Spoiler: My small case

I'm checking related to Punchy, people who are both scum/townleaning him in a odd way or whatever and I found this

Ness is very very high mafia if Jacob is scum

This post has two things wrong with it. The first reason being that he takes a COMPLETE turnaround and susses Mog now. This is what he's trying to do when he pockets Mog. At the last minute of EoD, he wants to be like 'OMG no Mog is scum!' so that people try to lynch her instead and not link her to Punchy since he 'changed his mind'. The second thing that is wrong with this is that he is shifting the blame onto Ness if Jacob is scum. If Punchy flips mafia, then Ness should be clear in all honesty.

I think this is what Punchy mean't

I'm reading Jacob's meta from the last game he was scum in Legend of Zelda mafia and I don't see a correlation between there and here, I'm seriously kinda wondering if they're both town

God help me if I'm wrong, but I'm switching to Punchy again

Alrighty that's a relief, Jacob was starting to scare me, so before I get called scum for that just know that I was panicking.

Punchy is town, his and Jacobs's interactions pretty much guarantee it.

Ness only appears on EoD, only against either Punchy and Jacob alone but he is purely against Punchy, I think this is the reason why Punchy wanted him to be dead idk?????

Hi I?m awake now

Rune

Bianca and Ness and someone else on my lynch or toads is scum

This is his recent post as of 7:20 PM SGT he wants Ness to be dead this is all i cud think of as of the moment

Spoiler: Additional information from the following people

From Vanessa

On a different note:
Unravel pulled up the post where Jacob mentioned Chele, Ness and Bianca as his townleans with Ness sandwhiched in the middle. I find it particularly interesting that he mentioned Ness because while Chele and Bianca had been participating actively, Ness wasn't really? All I remember Ness doing really was fighting with Trundle. I guess since Jacob was going after Trundle it would make sense in his perspective to townlean Ness. But...idk, I could def see them as a team from this.


All this to say I would rather see Ness as the lynch after Punchy than Toads, at least as of right now.

To be honest I'm starting to think things aren't adding up so clearly at the moment, something isn't right

Don't get me wrong I kinda feel like Punchy's death is a necessity but I'm starting to think that everything isn't as it seems, Yoads has a point that everyone is being really quick to hop on this

This post is kinda weird
He's vaguely telling everyone to be cautionary but he didnt really do anything after. Its like he knows something is going to happen and he wants to get towncred after it happens? Idk
Also Yoads is a new one and I like it lmao

A reminder that Heyden was the first one who brought up his suspicion which I didn't know right after I post it

I have a hunch Ness is scum but I haven?t bothered making a case yet. If you look at Ness? post filter before EoD1 he?s not really taking a side in Jacob/Punchy until Jacob reaches majority in the last minute.
Not to mention his last minute change after mog decided to change to punchy... hmmmmm

Evan's long case on Ness click those links below
Part 1 | Part 2

TLDR: It's like Ness is protecting both especially Jacob if that is what I understand from my correctly. The way he portray his actions in EoD is weird as well as his post is slowly degrading at some point.

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TLDR Version of my reads
Heyden
Vanessa
Chele
Mog
Toads
Bianca
Rune
Punchy
Ness

* I did not add tae because I believe that she will be modkilled
** Just because Antonio is townlean, doesn't mean Dedenne is clear, give her a chance to read and catch up.

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Conclusion
? I'm totally fine Punchy/Ness lynch.
? If you guys are still against Punchy lynch then the king should execute Ness.
? If Punchy flips scum then we have to go for Ness -> Rune -> Toads -> Bianca (In order or not, it doesn't really matter).
? If Punchy is town then we may scratch off Toads in the lynchpool.
? As much as possible if vig exist I suggest to kill Punchy

 

[PunchyTheCat]

On the off chance that I’m kinged I’m killing Bianca no hesitation

 

[Chele]

Omg waffles your reads look nice, it’s flawlessly presented. Compared to my reads which belong in the nearest dumpster lmaooo

Anyways, would you consider a Jacob/Punchy/Rune/Toads or Tae scumteam?

 

[unravel]

On the off chance that I’m kinged I’m killing Bianca no hesitation

Of all the people why Bianca?

 

[Chele]

On the off chance that I’m kinged I’m killing Bianca no hesitation

If you were King, then I would actually surrender as Town

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Anyways, would you consider a Jacob/Punchy/Rune/Toads or Tae scumteam?

Just a correction; Ness* or Tae not Toads

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Rune/Toads/Bianca is possible

Ness/Bianca/Chele is possible

Rune/Bianca/Chele is possible

Ness/Rune/Bianca is possible

Toads/Ness/Bianca is possible

Chele/Ness/Bianca is possible

Rune/Heyden/Bianca is possible

Ness/Heyden/Bianca is possible

Toads/Heyden/Bianca is possible

Chele/Heyden/Bianca is possible

Literally any of my nulls could be on the team

@unravel your opinion on Heyden shouldn’t be that high, especially since I’m town and Jacob was a goon, not something special

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Of all the people why Bianca?

Her tone and post quality are WAY DIFFERENT from the last game she’s played. Not even to mention she does this as scum, also

 

[Heyden]

@Punchy, in the case that Bianca flips town, how will your opinions change?

 

[Chele]

@unravel your opinion on Heyden shouldn’t be that high, especially since I’m town and Jacob was a goon, not something special

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Her tone and post quality are WAY DIFFERENT from the last game she’s played. Not even to mention she does this as scum, also

Omg meta! Something we could totally rely on, from CAXNIVAL! A year old game!
Let’s lynch Bianca, Waffles!

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Also Punchy hav enough not been hearing the PR theory about you?

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Have you not been hearing* oml I’m not okay today

 

[unravel]

Omg waffles your reads look nice, it’s flawlessly presented. Compared to my reads which belong in the nearest dumpster lmaooo

Anyways, would you consider a Jacob/Punchy/Rune/Toads or Tae scumteam?

Thanks, I wanted to make a post that is really easy to read and wasting my time it maybe awkward or weird but I'm on toilet break right now, I'm on diarrhea and I brought my laptop with me its like day 3 or 4. I'm thinking of going to medical check up or something I dunno cuz right now my bowel is ****ed up.

On to the real topic regarding the team for me it is can be possible because those four are really connected but I'm really leaning towards Ness he can be part of the team, its either of the following:

• Jacbob/Punchy/Ness/Toads
• Jacbob/Ness/Toads/Rune

As for Tae I'm really unsure about this but if Tae flips scum then its either what I mention above but scratch out Toads if Punchy flips town and add to Bianca from the list.

 

[Chele]

You should go see a doctor, Waffles : (
Also you said you drank laxative tea? Lmao what a daredevil

Anyways how about Ness/Jacbob/Punchy/Rune ?

 

[unravel]

@unravel your opinion on Heyden shouldn’t be that high, especially since I’m town and Jacob was a goon, not something special
Her tone and post quality are WAY DIFFERENT from the last game she’s played. Not even to mention she does this as scum, also

If he is scum he wouldn't ask too much on his team. Tbh not only Heyden made a case about you but also Vanessa and Chele which they really made a good points about this so called meta. If you really flipped town then maybe my perspective on Heyden and Chele maybe change.

 

[Heyden]

I know we have to keep our lynchpools open but I really don't think Rune is scum based on her D1 vote. Who parks a vote on their scummate and doesn't return for EoD, unless Rune is stupid but I feel she would be way more cautious than that.

 

[unravel]

You should go see a doctor, Waffles : (
Also you said you drank laxative tea? Lmao what a daredevil

Anyways how about Ness/Jacbob/Punchy/Rune ?

Possible as well, please add that as potential list thanks.

Offtopic: Yeah I did, I was curious how it feels like but I didn't say I believe it loses weight. It feels like I've been stabbed from my butt

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Omg meta! Something we could totally rely on, from CAXNIVAL! A year old game!
Let?s lynch Bianca, Waffles!

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Also Punchy hav enough not been hearing the PR theory about you?

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Have you not been hearing* oml I?m not okay today

Most of that isn?t even about Caxnival

Actually read please

I?m not vig, I would have claimed that

 

[unravel]

If punchy is town and one of our lynches lineup are town then one of my I mean no, one of our townleans are scum.

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Unravel can you make a lynch pool if i’m town

 

[unravel]

@Punchy Actually Heyden's tone is basically the same where he caught me as scum...

 

[Chele]

Most of that isn’t even about Caxnival

Actually read please

I’m not vig, I would have claimed that

Smh Punchy.
The bolded part refers to you

The real talk is that I’m referencing the theory about you being a Mafia PR
the fact that you’re also not considering how sus it’d be for me to openly bluesnipe and ask if you’re a town PR is something worth to note. I’m letting you off of it for now, because of how your meta and reasoning didn’t make sense as well
Anyways I’m talking specifically about her scum play

 

[PunchyTheCat]

@Punchy Actually Heyden's tone is basically the same where he caught me as scum...

Where did I call out Heyden’s tone

 

[unravel]

@Punchy Actually Heyden's tone is basically the same where he caught me as scum...

My bad I thought you mean Heyden