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Reads of all players are cool and all but I think focusing on specific people is the best approach considering how easy it is to make reads list in general and blend your way as scum. It only really matters once someone flips red imo. Also Calamitybot, if you're not mafia, you shouldn't be very concerned on just one person voting for you. To answer your other question too, determining who to lynch EoD is through pushing those analyses on people who you find scummy and getting other people on board, no other way around that unless we running headless chicken lol.

Please refer back to my Dedenne Case because I don't want to unknowingly allow mafia influencers to push this read away. I'm just one person pursuing this case so mafia probably aren't too happy to talk on advocating for their teammate's lynch. Be a smart town player and #VOTE DEDENNE.

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Hey, your vote still matters! Look at what you think feels right and don't be afraid to say something that you want to be said.

Im just gonna wait a little while longer till i do reads again i have a good strategy going...i think

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I shall sleep now good nite
 
First impressions on Curry, I'm not a fan. The only thing that he's done so far is question Punchy and provide some blanket statements on Rune and the possibility of a third kill which are non-AI. The only reads that he's given are an SR on Farobi, and stating that townlocking Punchy is a bad idea which I feel is an easy route for scum to go, especially given that people are STILL questioning Punchy. Thus far, not doing much to help us out here.

you do realize kayla is dead, right?

@Dolby I legitimately think they are both town. Fite me
I will, and I def think that it's weird that you're townleans are focusing on defending them

By looking at the players remaining and with 3 mafia presumably I can see a few connections. There was no CC for Punchy which I did not expect in the first place because of my own prior suspicion on Punchy and his claim. And my guarantee on one of those two is mostly dependant on my main case rather than an either/or statement, with Dedenne top of the board. She saw my post a few hours ago by the way but chose not to respond to it. Dedenne say something!

And also @those who are suspicious of me, can you explain so I can actually clear myself lol
Yeah, I think that Dedenne's silence reflects rather poorly on her. I've seen her lurking a couple of times.

Im just gonna wait a little while longer till i do reads again i have a good strategy going...i think

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I shall sleep now good nite
No reads is best strat

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Btw Ghost, no lynch is an objectively bad option right now. Right now I believe that we have one mislynch, but if we no lynch we pretty much have to get it perfect the rest of the game

Worst case scenarios

D2 8v3v1
N2 7v3v1 mislynch
D3 5v3v1 town still has maj, assuming two kills tomorrow and the third shot came from vig/Kayla. Personally really doubt the SK, surv, 2 maf theory

Town can mislynch and still win in the above scenario

D2 8v3v1
N2 8v3v1 no lynch
D3 6v3v1 if town MLs on D3 they lose majority the next day.

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Yeah, I feel that a lynch in my scumleans of Kammm, Dedenne, and Silver is still best considering their collective silence since the day two post. The ONLY alignment-indicative thing that's happened to any of them is the case that Farobi made on Dedenne. basically telling us they aren't a team, and that wasn't even done by her. I'm going to actually move Silver up to being distinctly more townie than Kammm and Dedenne right now, as reading back through some of her posts I can see town, or at least not scum, motivations. Particularly here

I think vig should shoot Rune. If he's survivor, town loses nothing (as opposed to vig not shooting), and I don't trust him not to side with scum.

If he's scum, then good riddance.

Actually was kinda jolting when I read through her filter since I had her as top sus for some time, but I'm having trouble seeing even noob maf say this.

Kammm hasn't posted in multiple days, possibly needs a replacement considering that, but notably was pretty active in Ships before being modkilled for I don't know why, either inactivity or requested, but is really in the same boat as Dedenne for me, who has been extremely quiet as well. The only real distinguishing factor between the two is that Kammm was pressuring Punchy constantly, while Dedenne kinda just accepted his claim. I do feel that the lynch should not be on Calamity and be between the two of them today

Currently looking at nulls and scumleans as my expanded pool for scum, I really feel that scum isn't outside that or in my townleans (unless Rune is maf or SK, but that'd be a dumb move on his part). Curry could be moving up or down on my list depending on his material in the coming days, but it really hasn't been helpful thus far

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Yeah, I feel that a lynch in my scumleans of Kammm, Dedenne, and Silver is still best considering their collective silence since the day two post. The ONLY alignment-indicative thing that's happened to any of them is the case that Farobi made on Dedenne. basically telling us they aren't a team, and that wasn't even done by her. I'm going to actually move Silver up to being distinctly more townie than Kammm and Dedenne right now, as reading back through some of her posts I can see town, or at least not scum, motivations. Particularly here

I think vig should shoot Rune. If he's survivor, town loses nothing (as opposed to vig not shooting), and I don't trust him not to side with scum.

If he's scum, then good riddance.

Actually was kinda jolting when I read through her filter since I had her as top sus for some time, but I'm having trouble seeing even noob maf say this.

Kammm hasn't posted in multiple days, possibly needs a replacement considering that, but notably was pretty active in Ships before being modkilled for I don't know why, either inactivity or requested, but is really in the same boat as Dedenne for me, who has been extremely quiet as well. The only real distinguishing factor between the two is that Kammm was pressuring Punchy constantly, while Dedenne kinda just accepted his claim. I do feel that the lynch should not be on Calamity and be between the two of them today

Currently looking at nulls and scumleans as my expanded pool for scum, I really feel that scum isn't outside that or in my townleans (unless Rune is maf or SK, but that'd be a dumb move on his part). Curry could be moving up or down on my list depending on his material in the coming days, but it really hasn't been helpful thus far

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I just realized that I've backed down on the issue of Evan's townleans in that merge

The fight is not going well

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By looking at the players remaining and with 3 mafia presumably I can see a few connections. There was no CC for Punchy which I did not expect in the first place because of my own prior suspicion on Punchy and his claim. And my guarantee on one of those two is mostly dependant on my main case rather than an either/or statement, with Dedenne top of the board. She saw my post a few hours ago by the way but chose not to respond to it. Dedenne say something!

And also @those who are suspicious of me, can you explain so I can actually clear myself lol

Speaking of connections, you've been pretty much the only person to make a full-fleshed case against somebody today. Who do you think Dedenne is teammed with?
 
hi all, sorry i havent rlly posted much, have had a lot of irl stuff and lack of motivation for everything in general. i'll post a proper post with actual thoughts and contributions to the game when im either not on the bus, not at school, and not swarmed with homework.
 
First impressions on Curry, I'm not a fan. The only thing that he's done so far is question Punchy and provide some blanket statements on Rune and the possibility of a third kill which are non-AI. The only reads that he's given are an SR on Farobi, and stating that townlocking Punchy is a bad idea which I feel is an easy route for scum to go, especially given that people are STILL questioning Punchy. Thus far, not doing much to help us out here.


I will, and I def think that it's weird that you're townleans are focusing on defending them


Yeah, I think that Dedenne's silence reflects rather poorly on her. I've seen her lurking a couple of times.


No reads is best strat

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Btw Ghost, no lynch is an objectively bad option right now. Right now I believe that we have one mislynch, but if we no lynch we pretty much have to get it perfect the rest of the game

Worst case scenarios

D2 8v3v1
N2 7v3v1 mislynch
D3 5v3v1 town still has maj, assuming two kills tomorrow and the third shot came from vig/Kayla. Personally really doubt the SK, surv, 2 maf theory

Town can mislynch and still win in the above scenario

D2 8v3v1
N2 8v3v1 no lynch
D3 6v3v1 if town MLs on D3 they lose majority the next day.

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Yeah, I feel that a lynch in my scumleans of Kammm, Dedenne, and Silver is still best considering their collective silence since the day two post. The ONLY alignment-indicative thing that's happened to any of them is the case that Farobi made on Dedenne. basically telling us they aren't a team, and that wasn't even done by her. I'm going to actually move Silver up to being distinctly more townie than Kammm and Dedenne right now, as reading back through some of her posts I can see town, or at least not scum, motivations. Particularly here



Actually was kinda jolting when I read through her filter since I had her as top sus for some time, but I'm having trouble seeing even noob maf say this.

Kammm hasn't posted in multiple days, possibly needs a replacement considering that, but notably was pretty active in Ships before being modkilled for I don't know why, either inactivity or requested, but is really in the same boat as Dedenne for me, who has been extremely quiet as well. The only real distinguishing factor between the two is that Kammm was pressuring Punchy constantly, while Dedenne kinda just accepted his claim. I do feel that the lynch should not be on Calamity and be between the two of them today

Currently looking at nulls and scumleans as my expanded pool for scum, I really feel that scum isn't outside that or in my townleans (unless Rune is maf or SK, but that'd be a dumb move on his part). Curry could be moving up or down on my list depending on his material in the coming days, but it really hasn't been helpful thus far

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Yeah, I feel that a lynch in my scumleans of Kammm, Dedenne, and Silver is still best considering their collective silence since the day two post. The ONLY alignment-indicative thing that's happened to any of them is the case that Farobi made on Dedenne. basically telling us they aren't a team, and that wasn't even done by her. I'm going to actually move Silver up to being distinctly more townie than Kammm and Dedenne right now, as reading back through some of her posts I can see town, or at least not scum, motivations. Particularly here



Actually was kinda jolting when I read through her filter since I had her as top sus for some time, but I'm having trouble seeing even noob maf say this.

Kammm hasn't posted in multiple days, possibly needs a replacement considering that, but notably was pretty active in Ships before being modkilled for I don't know why, either inactivity or requested, but is really in the same boat as Dedenne for me, who has been extremely quiet as well. The only real distinguishing factor between the two is that Kammm was pressuring Punchy constantly, while Dedenne kinda just accepted his claim. I do feel that the lynch should not be on Calamity and be between the two of them today

Currently looking at nulls and scumleans as my expanded pool for scum, I really feel that scum isn't outside that or in my townleans (unless Rune is maf or SK, but that'd be a dumb move on his part). Curry could be moving up or down on my list depending on his material in the coming days, but it really hasn't been helpful thus far

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I just realized that I've backed down on the issue of Evan's townleans in that merge

The fight is not going well

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Speaking of connections, you've been pretty much the only person to make a full-fleshed case against somebody today. Who do you think Dedenne is teammed with?

I dont want to no lynch i put that down as a placeholder. It always makes me more comfortable to have a vote just in case. I cant make it to EOD and get modkilled
 
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Dolby, maybe Curry just isn't that good of a player and that's why he hasn't provided content that satisfies you? I mean, I've never played with him before, but I don't see anything sus about him. He seems to be a pretty open and straightforward player so far. And, I do think it's fair that he questioned punchy, since punchy is punchy. Also, I still can't get myself to agree with the kammm lynch. Even though she is inactive, that's not really indicative of maf or not, despite that not being her regular playstyle. I'd like to see her response to your suspicions, and maybe that'd convince me, but so far I still think that lynching Farobi is our best bet at winning.

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Oops, didnt mean to insult curry in that post. I meant maybe curry isnt as good as a player as masterful Dolby. sorry curry :(
 
As for Curry, i don't think he's a bad player but from his posts it mainly focuses on explaining his thought processes and his observations on how things work etc. Not really a proponent for things that actually categorize players to one side or another, so it's hard for me to townread him since he doesn't really take a stance yet considering he's also a replacement. Not even a scumlean, he's a big null for me.
 
Why has everyone been worried about Dedenne? She has posted 4 less message than rune (she with 13 and rune with 17), and has stated her reasons for inactivity and is trying to make up for it. Rune hasn't posted anything since 4/28 but has been online since then. Why hasn't anyone been talking about rune? His literal first message of the game was to claim as a orange role (not a blue one) Survivor. He stated he work along with along with Town but hasn't add much to the game so far, so where are you rune? Are you really working with town or just keeping quiet to earn your win condition? Please be more active.

@Dedenne, can you post more before day ends? Your actions are pure but everyone else have a point.
@punchy, did you read my challenge.

Vanessa, can you add replacement posts url to the main page.
 
Why has everyone been worried about Dedenne? She has posted 4 less message than rune (she with 13 and rune with 17), and has stated her reasons for inactivity and is trying to make up for it. Rune hasn't posted anything since 4/28 but has been online since then. Why hasn't anyone been talking about rune? His literal first message of the game was to claim as a orange role (not a blue one) Survivor. He stated he work along with along with Town but hasn't add much to the game so far, so where are you rune? Are you really working with town or just keeping quiet to earn your win condition? Please be more active.

I made my case beyond Dedenne's activity and into her actual posting pattern when I compared her posts in this game to previous games where she was town. Definitely not just an inactivity thing. And although she may seem pure and chaste with all the reasons cornering her, that shouldn't take away the viability of those points as well. I've played as mafia previously and that decline in posting in later days is very similar to my approach. I'll be waiting for her reasoning - but honestly I don't think she can change my mind on her.

As for Runeraider, he's playing like a terrible town player but he's survivor so that cancels out. If town's at LYLO and Mafia's about to win, I'd honestly advocate for his lynch if he continues like this just because of how salty I am from the way he's playing, and if he's mafia hiding as survivor claim, then sweet kill. Don't promise that you're going to help town if you fail to live up to it. His win condition is also starting to get pretty negligible to me because of his false promises. His vote still matters though, so if he continues to vote town-sided and catching scum, then he good for now.
 
I made my case beyond Dedenne's activity and into her actual posting pattern when I compared her posts in this game to previous games where she was town. Definitely not just an inactivity thing. And although she may seem pure and chaste with all the reasons cornering her, that shouldn't take away the viability of those points as well. I've played as mafia previously and that decline in posting in later days is very similar to my approach. I'll be waiting for her reasoning - but honestly I don't think she can change my mind on her.

As for Runeraider, he's playing like a terrible town player but he's survivor so that cancels out. If town's at LYLO and Mafia's about to win, I'd honestly advocate for his lynch if he continues like this just because of how salty I am from the way he's playing, and if he's mafia hiding as survivor claim, then sweet kill. Don't promise that you're going to help town if you fail to live up to it. His win condition is also starting to get pretty negligible to me because of his false promises. His vote still matters though, so if he continues to vote town-sided and catching scum, then he good for now.

I agree with everyone point about Dedenne but I just used her to make a point about Rune. Rune could be lying though about his role and could be mafia. He did claim in his first message and could be using that as a tactic to make people think he's not scum. Have you read his 2 reasons for claiming? They seem really far-fetched to me. Even if his claim was true, he hasn't keep his promise about helping town. That just makes rune more suspicious in my eyes (plus he hasn't posted anything since 4/28 (3 days) but was online yesterday).

How would you know if his vote is town-sided if town don't know who is who? Why doesn't rune contributing to the discussion effect your decisions, only if he votes? What is your opinion on punchy?

I'm going to go read some things about Dedenne.
 
Also, I might not be on by EoD because I'll be taking two exams during that time (which I'm not prepared for thanks to mafia + procrastination yay) but please I trust town won't mess this day up. If anyone but Dedenne is lynched and is town I'll be down to surrender tbh lol. what more could I have done? And I have more things to do this week so yeah I'd rather end this game quickly by killing off scum than the other way around. peace

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How would you know if his vote is town-sided if town don't know who is who? Why doesn't rune contributing to the discussion effect your decisions, only if he votes? What is your opinion on punchy?

What I meant by him voting town-sided is that he'll follow through with votes that actually make sense from a town perspective. Rune contributing would be great since if he isn't lying on his SK claim we already have a guaranteed non-scum perspective we could base a read around. His vote is mostly important though because the numbers game could benefit either town or mafia now depending on his choice. That is if he's truly a survivor.

Punchy is such a pain to read. I'm going to keep my opinion on him being the true Detective because mafia having that as a safeclaim means town does not have a Detective, which would be severely unfavorable for town.
 
Also, I might not be on by EoD because I'll be taking two exams during that time (which I'm not prepared for thanks to mafia + procrastination yay) but please I trust town won't mess this day up. If anyone but Dedenne is lynched and is town I'll be down to surrender tbh lol. what more could I have done? And I have more things to do this week so yeah I'd rather end this game quickly by killing off scum than the other way around. peace

You didn't even answer my questions. :c

Anyways, the main reason why we should rune is because either way, town comes out strong during the end of this day phase. Rune is obviously not town because no town member will try to claim an orange role and even if rune was town, why would he do such a thing? Instead of voting for someone who may or may not be mafia, let's lynch of rune who stated himself that he was an orange role and if he's lying, rune is more likely mafia. He hasn't been on in 3 days and hasn't fulfill his promise of helping town so lynching him won't effect much gameplay wise. His reason behind claiming as well is pretty far fetched.

Voting Rune will give us more time (another day and night) to investigate others and will lower the amount of orange/red roles in this game.

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why we should lynch rune*
 
You didn't even answer my questions. :c

Anyways, the main reason why we should rune is because either way, town comes out strong during the end of this day phase. Rune is obviously not town because no town member will try to claim an orange role and even if rune was town, why would he do such a thing? Instead of voting for someone who may or may not be mafia, let's lynch of rune who stated himself that he was an orange role and if he's lying, rune is more likely mafia. He hasn't been on in 3 days and hasn't fulfill his promise of helping town so lynching him won't effect much gameplay wise. His reason behind claiming as well is pretty far fetched.

Voting Rune will give us more time (another day and night) to investigate others and will lower the amount of orange/red roles in this game.

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why we should lynch rune*

Dude, if we lynch Rune and he's telling the truth, its still essentially an ML

We're probably at 8v3v1 now

So if we mislynch today

D2 8v3v1
N2 7v3v1 ML
D3 5v3v1 LYLO, town has to lynch maf or lose the next day

If we lynch Rune today

D2 8v3v1
N2 8v3
D3 6v3, which is MYLO, but the point that I'm making here is that if we lynch Rune and he is surv we have no MLs left

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Also, Punchy's 100% dead tonight if he's town given Philemon's dead to, so probably no town investigatives left. One thing that I admittedly thought when I woke up is if what if Punchy claimed healed because he saw a dead doc who wouldn't know that he wasn't successfully healed, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case
 
Lynching Rune is way too safe and if he's telling the truth on his Survivor claim this day would just end up being useless. Punchy will probably get killed/RB'd tonight so keeping anyone who is scummy alive will just really allow more opportunities for mafia to kill since we delayed their KP powers, which would be pretty drastic considering half of town is inactive or lack much contributions.

If we kill an actual mafia player, the sweet decrease in KP would give us at least some leeway for better coordination on lynches. I guarantee Dedenne is scum, there's no doubt in my mind man. Would you take my hand on this adventure?
 
Lynching Rune is way too safe and if he's telling the truth on his Survivor claim this day would just end up being useless. Punchy will probably get killed/RB'd tonight so keeping anyone who is scummy alive will just really allow more opportunities for mafia to kill since we delayed their KP powers, which would be pretty drastic considering half of town is inactive or lack much contributions.

If we kill an actual mafia player, the sweet decrease in KP would give us at least some leeway for better coordination on lynches. I guarantee Dedenne is scum, there's no doubt in my mind man. Would you take my hand on this adventure?

If only you take mine....

I do not know if Dedenne is mafia or not, but your guys points are good enough to persuade me to vote for Dedenne. If you are wrong about this, I am coming for you farobi.
 
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