ness isn't mafia, and this is coming from someone who went into d2 planning to lynch him
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ness isn't mafia, and this is coming from someone who went into d2 planning to lynch him
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ok so im using the similiar reasoning glow used; if ur a town rb'er who blocked chick last night, y don't u either a) have oath as ur top scumread? oath claims to have targeted kare last night yet she died instead of him. if ur actually a town rb'er that should be setting off alarms to u OR b) y aren't you seriously considering that maf might have a manipulative role? cuz it seems like ur kind of dismissive of that. if both of u r actually telling the truth, imo that's the only other possibility that makes sense
Among your scumleans at the moment who would you like to lynch
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I just found this while searching through his ISO (almost finished with reads post) and after everything that is going on this is scummy to go from townlock -> wanting to lynch him today. Not sure if Jacob corrected this in one of his later posts but it doesn't sit well with me.
@byngo
Can I be completely honest I don't know how oaths role works
if what i know is correct he targets kermit, whatever happens to kermit happens to spmeone else? Does that apply to mafia kills or just power roles?
@Ness
a) I would be ok lynching any of my scumleans, really. Thats why they're scum leans i guess. However with evident MUCH more aron, and MUCH less byngo
b) when I say day 1 claims = townlock, that just means i townlock them for day one. Lynching a claim on day 1 is really stupid to me and thats the logic I use for every game. Now that everyone has claimed things can be read differently i guess
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im gonan drop a vote. I'm at the hospital with my grandfather and dont know how long ill be here
Can I be completely honest I don't know how oaths role works
if what i know is correct he targets kermit, whatever happens to kermit happens to spmeone else? Does that apply to mafia kills or just power roles?
@Ness
a) I would be ok lynching any of my scumleans, really. Thats why they're scum leans i guess. However with evident MUCH more aron, and MUCH less byngo
b) when I say day 1 claims = townlock, that just means i townlock them for day one. Lynching a claim on day 1 is really stupid to me and thats the logic I use for every game. Now that everyone has claimed things can be read differently i guess
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im gonan drop a vote. I'm at the hospital with my grandfather and dont know how long ill be here
You clearly said that you "townlock" Aron, how can you just townlock someone and then say that it was only for that day? That doesn't make any sense. If you had said "I believe aron's claim" then that would be different.
At this point there is scum between Aron and Jacob. From what I've gathered in my reads, I am leaning much more towards it being aron. Reads post is almost done.
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The Post that figures this mess out
A novel written by Ness
A novel written by Ness
I'm going to be splitting each part of this post into reasons I think that (player) is (x) alignment. To keep things simple i'm starting this off with reads so you can have the most general idea possible.
Townlock
glow (Obviously)
Likely Town
Byngo
Oath2Order
Null
Zendel - Keep in mind that I still think he is scummy, I just can't be sure about him right now.
Scumleaning:
Jacob
Tina
Scumreads
Aronthaer
Several things to note before I go into everyone alive:
This is a fairly key thing to note about the OP:
OP #2 said:
^^The way I see this, this COULD suggest that there is actually 3 mafia instead of 4. Lets say that one of the mafia roles is Calamity Ganon the Godfather. If there is a godfather, then it is *possible* that the Godfather's part of the mafia counts as 2 KP instead of 1. I've seen that in previous games the Godfather seems to ensure KP is 2 so long as another mafia is alive. I think it is possible that Toad and Panda did something along these lines this game for 1 reason: Kallie ensured the game was "balanced" before the start of the game. With the fact that Kallie is usually fairly insistent on the Mafia/Player ratio be 1 per 5 players.
This is a bit of a stretch, but I thought of this scenario earlier and I thought it would be decent to point it out. This does make more sense considering how there turned out to be a Culting Serial Killer within the game, adding an extra kill per night.
I spent the entire day making this please cut me a little bit of slack if some reads aren't as good as others
glow - Townlock
There isn't anything to be said here, hosts confirmed her as town. While she is technically "dead" her opinions still matter.
Byngo - Townleaning
I'm flipping my scumlean to a town lean. I initially scumleaned her earlier because she was seemingly coasting, but there are a few posts in particular that I think is really townlike of her:
I like this post because she steps up and starts defending herself instead of shrugging it off, it shows initiative in trying to prevent people from scumleaning her. She seems fairly calm and genuine in this, which knowing Byngo as a friend I have learned that she gets nervous as scum and has a hard time faking what she says.
There is also this:
Which is sorta a defense of Zendel, but I like how she was brave enough to call me scum for going after Zendel for a somewhat weak reason. She does say that Zendel's claim might be a fakeclaim later, so that weakens the idea of her and Zendel being scum together.
Overall I like her posts more than I realized, because if she was scum I wouldn't particularly expect her to be so open about it. She has given her two cents on several things throughout the game, I would expect scum!Natty to be more inclined to stay quiet and not give thoughts on anything.
Oath - Townleaning
Oath is currently one of the few that hasn't seemingly flopped over and said "welp town is gonna lose lets just let mafia win". I respect that and that shows town points. I was originally suspicious of him earlier because of KermitTea's death, but...I'm seriously conflicted about this townlean.
Oath seemingly defended xCleb throughout the day against glow and her points against him. This is shown in these posts:
I do find this slightly suspicious, but he seemed to have defended xCleb due to the fact that KP isn't fixed, hence what I said earlier in this post about there potentially being 3 mafia instead of 4. There are posts that I think contradicts Oath defending xCleb, namely these posts:
^^A seemingly genuine interaction
^^Oath feeling slightly suspicious of xCleb claiming
I think that Oath *could* be mafia but I find it very unlikely. If we actually manage to pull through the current hopelessness that most people have seemingly succumbed to then he might make for a decent last lynch.
Zendel - Scummy yet I feel conflicted so he's null
I don't even know where to begin with him, I want to think he is town but his posts are seriously conflicting my opinion of him. The main reason I feel like he is town is mostly based off the way he has been posting, along with his attitude towards the game.
To start, his ISO of pages 5-4 are both kinda sassy and much more expressive. Usually Zendel has a tendency to be much more emotional with his posts as scum, and tends to dish out more suspicions of people early on.
There is also this post that xCleb makes in regards to an early suspicion of Zendel:
Which kinda suggests that xCleb is weakly bussing Zendel, but it also also looks like xCleb starting off with a weak push on Zendel to look as if he is contributing something early on.
And Zendel reacted to that post xCleb made with this post:
Which, once again, show's Zendel's emotional behavior.
I think I've stated before why I think his claim is fake, but now that I think about it, it is possible that Toad just threw it in to make things more complicated...but Zendel's posts really start getting suspicious on the first page of his ISO. First being this post:
I personally wouldn't really expect Zendel to just straight up flop over like this, and it is serious Wine for him to say "We're really screwed here, lynch me" because if you're really town, why would you just flop over like this? Why would you give up and say "lynch me" as town, you have no reason to have a death wish like this so it doesn't make any sense.
And then Zendel goes on to contradict himself in this post:
He contradicts himself 2 times in this post. The first being how he blames Jacob for "Time restrictions" when Zendel has continuously made excuses for his inactivity as well, and as well as him flipping suspicion towards me when in his last post he says "If Ness is scum I'll be sad, I'm actually townreading him for once.
Overall, I don't know. I think he is scummy, but I feel like others are scummier. With the 3 people I currently am scumreading, I don't know if I can see him as scum with them.
Jacob - Scumleaning
Earlier I said that Jacob had some contridictions in how he was playing, this was in regards to how he played as a blue role previously. I can't remember what game it was, but I remembered him getting angry that people were suspicious of him as a blue role but now he is surprisingly calm and much more analytical this game then I've ever seen him play. It is a weak reason sure, but there is a noticeable difference in post quality this game then he has in practically every game he has played on this site. I thought I would be able to get more on META, but so far I haven't been able to find anything that shows a clear difference other than this.
It is hard to know where to start, but I'll break this into 2 sections:
- VOTING PATTERN
- TONE AND EXTRA POSTS
Voting Pattern:
These are the posts that Jacob has used to vote people in this game:
I dislike the above vote by voting himself as a placeholder, because it implies that he didn't want to be involved with anyone's lynch for D1. This is unsupported though, given that he was working during EoD and didn't have access. Although, I would have at least expected him to have voted at least someone instead of voting himself. This is the weakest part of my interpretation of his posts.
Okay, so I think that Jacob gains some town points for this. This is mostly because of this post: Jacob - Scumreading
Earlier I said that Jacob had some contridictions in how he was playing, this was in regards to how he played as a blue role previously. I can't remember what game it was, but I remembered him getting angry that people were suspicious of him as a blue role but now he is surprisingly calm and much more analytical this game then I've ever seen him play. It is a weak reason sure, but there is a noticeable difference in post quality this game then he has in practically every game he has played on this site. I thought I would be able to get more on META, but so far I haven't been able to find anything that shows a clear difference other than this.
It is hard to know where to start, but I'll break this into 2 sections:
- VOTING PATTERN
- TONE AND EXTRA POSTS
Voting Pattern:
These are the posts that Jacob has used to vote people in this game:
I dislike the above vote by voting himself as a placeholder, because it implies that he didn't want to be involved with anyone's lynch for D1. This is unsupported though, given that he was working during EoD and didn't have access. Although, I would have at least expected him to have voted at least someone instead of voting himself. This is the weakest part of my interpretation of his posts.
Okay, so I think that Jacob gains some town points for this. This is mostly because of this post:
Before this Jacob created a text-wall based around some thoughts he has in regards to the game. With my earlier point about xCleb possibly reporting to the scumchat his result on Dolby, I think it is interesting how Jacob didn't say that he was scum right off the bat.
Before this Jacob created a text-wall based around some thoughts he has in regards to the game. With my earlier point about xCleb possibly reporting to the scumchat his result on Dolby, I think it is interesting how Jacob didn't say that he was suspicious of him right off the bat, unlike Tina who didn't believe his claim at all.
I think this is slightly weird, because Jacob just sorta flopped on voting xCleb. I like that he voted xCleb before anyone, but he way he did it is just...ehh. It just feels like he did it to look town, instead of that he really believed cleb was scum because Jacob didn't really have much reasoning to THINK cleb was scum in the first place.
Tone/Posting
Alright, so Jacob has stayed relatively neutral for most of the game and he hasn't scumleaned anyone up until this point of the game.
I kinda like this post due to him being willing to work out the suspicion I had for him, but I also feel weird about it because I haven't seen jacob be this willing to cooperate with someone suspicious of him. More town points from this post.
#2 here somewhat implies that he thinks that Cleb is telling the truth about his claim.
Jacob giving a hypothetical scum team. Kinda weird because 1/4 died, 1 I think is town and 2/4 I think are scummy. The bowie read in particular make me feel conflicted because Bowie actually ended up dying, so if Jacob thought he was scum here then would it really make that much sense for him to die?
A fairly well made thoughts post in regards to his opinion on me, which is fine and all, but he then says this in his next post:
I really do not like this because it implies 2 things: 1. Jacob was continuing to not want to point any fingers at people and 2. He didn't want to expicitly say that I was scum, so in case I was lynched D3 then he could easily do the typical scum move of "Aw man, I had a good feeling he was town but he was pretty suspicious nonetheless".
I dunno, earlier I thought he was pretty certain he was scum but now it feels more as if it is based off of process of elimination, which is kinda why I was suspicious of him in the first place. I agree with glow that he should be suspicious of Oath right now, but it seems like Jacob doesn't understand how Oath's role works exactly?
Tina - Scumleaning
To be honest I didn't intially have any reason to have her as scum besides process of elimination and majority of a gut feeling. With all of the quality, townlike posts she has made up until this point you would have expected her to have died by now, don't you think? She feels town, but *too* town, if that makes sense.
These are the posts I've found where she shares an interaction with xCleb:
^Believes xCleb's Role Cop claim.
^Potentially fabricated, but the fact that she assumes xCleb is a new player kinda brings down the idea of them being scum together. If they were scum, then its possible that they could have chatted a bit in the Quicktopic they usually have.
Again, its possible that its fake (xCleb might have even told her to say it herself) but it seems genuine.
Now I think this could imply she is scum. People in the thread were starting to believe Dolby's claim, yet she says that he could be something along the lines of SK. xCleb was seemingly inactive around this time, but it is likely that xCleb would have reported in scumchat Dolby's role beforehand, and Tina might have subliminally thought this and said it in the thread.
She continues to say that Dolby is a hostile 3rd party in her next several posts, so this supports this theory even more.
And then there is her reads, which I find weird as well. I won't go into much detail on her town reads, but one thing I find interesting is how all of her town reads have died and flipped as town, namely Dad, Fleshy, Heyden.
Along with this, 4 of her "scumleans" have all flipped non-mafia: KermitTea,
glow, Chick, Biancasboutique and Dolby. There is also her read on Zendel, to which I'm currently feeling really torn on him.
And then, there is her null reads, who are all either people still alive in the game, or xCleb who flipped mafia: Jacob, Kit(now Byngo) Oath2Order, and xCleb. I find the fact that she had both xCleb and Jacob both as null especially strange. There isn't really much to go into the other nulls (beside's Oath but I think he is town), the main meat is her xCleb null:
She gives a null-lean on Cleb, yet she implies pretty heavily here that she thinks he is suspicious. I see this as Tina potentially giving Lee-way to any potential Cleb lynch in the future, possible staying neutral yet in the event he was lynched she could say "I did think he was suspicious, I just wasn't sure!".
So yeah, I think Tina is scummy and I would be content with her lynch, just not for this cycle because I want more from her.
Aronthaer - Scumreading
Alright, so this is pretty hypocritical of me but I am not townleaning him anymore. I initially thought that he was town, because around the time he claimed Yunobo the Townie, I saw him check his private message inbox. However, I thought this over and I find it much more likely that Scum were probably assigned fake claims through their role PM, because Toad assigned fake claims to each individual scum in his last game. The way Aron treated xCleb's lynch is scummy af.
ON THE NOTE OF THE ABOVE QUOTE: ARON LITERALLY WAS 100% WITH ME ON EVAN's LYNCH AND HASN'T SAID I'VE BEEN SCUM THIS ENTIRE GAME.
Lol says i'm scum yet says "Because i'm completely lost"
Seriously though this implies to me that he had no reasoning to be scumreading me at the time.
^^Aron would have in 0 possible chance had come up with this if KermitTea hadn't mentioned the idea 3 posts before him.
^^This in particular suggests to me that Aron was being nothing more than a dirty sheep and didn't have any thoughts of his own. Clearly, if he thought I was so scummy then why didn't he vote me instead? If he truly thought I was scum over xCleb, he would have voted me instead of sheeping with everyone else.
Andddd this implies that he wanted to see if by any chance the wagon would swing towards anyone other then xCleb.
Aronthaer is a filthy little scumball and I would like to see his lynch. Although, this does bring up the idea that Jacob and Aron are not scum together, but I think it is also possible that Jacob is pulling the classic "I think x is scummy, but I would prefer x to be lynched".
tldr: I believe the scumteam right now is Tina, Aron OR Jacob. If we're dealing with a 4 scum team, then I think that the last scum has to be either Byngo or Zendel, and I would lean towards Zendel.
I felt like Jacob was above-all-be-all scum earlier, but after reading his ISO I feel as if he isn't as 100% guaranteed as I thought he was earlier.
The way I see it, Jacob and Aron can't both be scum, but at least one of them is. I am leaning more towards Aron at the moment, my vote is going to him today.
if aron flips town in all of this then i'm going to be really upset
I'm really confused in all of this
so who do you think we should lynch right now, your judgement I think is probably the best right now and I'm willing to switch my vote over to either Jacob or Tina.
jacob is still best lynch, zendel is next. he glossed over my main point on him: he should think there's 2 mafia rn.
chick was not killed out of fear. chick was not killed because of their reads. chick was killed because mafia thought they'd be cleared. the only reason they'd think this is if there was only 2 mafia. literally what other reason in hell is there
this means zendel is 99% NOT a killing role to jacob. but jacobs acting like it's still a possibility
and jacob scumreads ness lmao why would cleb, who was technically useless without KP and with everyone already claimed, bus a different mafia member and risk people listening to him
besides that ness has been really towny as of late, if he's mafia i would be fine losing to him
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is tina gonna choose not to vote on another mylo/lylo?
chick was not killed out of fear. chick was not killed because of their reads. chick was killed because mafia thought they'd be cleared. the only reason they'd think this is if there was only 2 mafia. literally what other reason in hell is there
this means zendel is 99% NOT a killing role to jacob. but jacobs acting like it's still a possibility
and jacob scumreads ness lmao why would cleb, who was technically useless without KP and with everyone already claimed, bus a different mafia member and risk people listening to him
besides that ness has been really towny as of late, if he's mafia i would be fine losing to him
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is tina gonna choose not to vote on another mylo/lylo?
oath2order
#Porygon2024
Well we're at majority now so it's either we hit scum or we just endgamed.
oath2order
#Porygon2024
We are, right?
Alive voters are
Zendel - Voted Aronthaer
Jacob - Voted Aronthaer
Ness - Voted Aronthaer
Byngo - No vote
Aronthaer - No vote
oath2order - Voted Aronthaer
Tina - No vote
4 of 7. That's majority. 57.1%.
Alive voters are
Zendel - Voted Aronthaer
Jacob - Voted Aronthaer
Ness - Voted Aronthaer
Byngo - No vote
Aronthaer - No vote
oath2order - Voted Aronthaer
Tina - No vote
4 of 7. That's majority. 57.1%.
No, we're fine. Majority rule only works during the first half of day 1, day doesn't end automatically.
oath2order
#Porygon2024
Either way though, it's not as if we're gonna be able to switch a vote
Oh
well you're online, so...doesn't that prevent majority?
I'm pretty sure that you and Byngo are town, so I would expect Byngo to come on and possible vote someone
oath2order
#Porygon2024
what
ive read through multiple descriptions of the lightning rod, all of them make it sound like the lightning rod attracts any action
no whatever happened to karen should've happened to oath, unless he's lying (don't think so) he was roleblocked or a manpulative role messed with his action
oath2order
#Porygon2024
Except I want to vote Aron.
I mean me too but I'm just saying
Jacob does seem pretty scummy too, I'm split between him tina and aron
