The Official Feedback Thread

[LambdaDelta]

I didn't think it would be a huge deal to do, due to how camps are sometimes ran. Either way, just an idea I decided to throw out here. Staff can look at it and decide for themselves, but I thought, if my idea is understood, getting some contrast from other members could be beneficial.

I'm sure this took quite a bit of backend to set up. though I imagine this became mitigated, after the first teams based event

which the concept would be very similar, but multiplied severalfold. personally, I cannot see any real justification for this for a 3 day long event, when as mentioned other avenues already available covers what it's trying to do just as well

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- spoiling it for themselves could be purposefully not putting forth effort in finding your eggs. Such as passing answers around in direct messages somewhere else. As already stated in my post, something like that can't be moderated and honestly has its own penalty. This isn't a judgment. Just an explanation that staff shouldn't worry about people dming direct answers, because that is just spoiling it for themselves and it would be off site anyway. Which if people do feel comfortable interacting with members in groups, and do feel or build confidence in being able to find or figure out eggs and hints.. the chance of dms off site for answers being handed out is greatly reduced anyway.

just want to say too that how people choose to engage with the hunt within the confines of the rules is up to them, and this just comes off as very holier-than-thou mindset

the only way they'd be "spoiling" anything is if they just told someone else the answer unasked for, of which I personally haven't seen that happen ever. people on this site are generally respecting towards others possibly wanting to still figure out the egg, even if they may need a nudge in the right direction

 

[nightglow]

I'm sure this took quite a bit of backend to set up. though I imagine this became mitigated, after the first teams based event

which the concept would be very similar, but multiplied severalfold. personally, I cannot see any real justification for this for a 3 day long event, when as mentioned other avenues already available covers what it's trying to do just as well

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just want to say too that how people choose to engage with the hunt within the confines of the rules is up to them, and this just comes off as very holier-than-thou mindset

the only way they'd be "spoiling" anything is if they just told someone else the answer unasked for, of which I personally haven't seen that happen ever. people on this site are generally respecting towards others possibly wanting to still figure out the egg, even if they may need a nudge in the right direction

Seliph asked how someone could spoil something for themselves.
I brought it up prior, causing Seliph to ask more about it, as an explanation of why people going off sight to pass answers isn't something to worry about. It's their choice and has its own penalty of spoiling for themselves.
I don't see how that is a holier than thou mind set. It's not a judgment or condemnation. It's just a simple acknowledgment.
But nvm I said anything.

 

[LambdaDelta]

It's not a judgment or condemnation.

maybe not your intention, but classifying people's personal choice of engagement as "a good experience" or "spoiling for themselves" does come off as very judgementy, because you're basically declaring that people choosing to engage in a way different from your own preference is wrong, simply by labeling it as thus

 

[nightglow]

You probably should reread my previous comments. Idk about you, but the few egg hunts I have watch had quite a few people expressing feelings like they are dumb or completely left in the dark or even frustrated. Granted this egg hunt was less than other years. I wouldn't call those feelings a good experience. But maybe you would?? Attempting to Discern that for possible feedback is part of attempting to help make the forums a little better. I was just suggesting exploring an option that would be more welcoming for newer members and members who haven't been on the forums a lot to feel more included. Or at least I figured so but maybe not??
But yeah.. passing answers around can thwart (spoil/ruin) the personal happiness of finding something you were looking for for. Or reduce it.. and may even thwart building more confidence. But that is a personal choice.
If that is a problematic view, I am sorry, but it is a view that is realistic factor. A person isn't any less of a person if they go that route, or that one person is wrong or right. I am not sure where you are even pulling the idea of me saying a person is right or wrong for going one way or another. It's that there is something lost and they choose that. That's all.

I just want people to feel more confident and not discouraged or feel intimated when tackling egg hunt riddles and needing hints but have to wade through pms. And I guess if that concept I have been trying to express can't be grasped then sorry it's not grasped or I guess not worded well enough.
But this convo is off topic now. And isn't benefiting anyone rn.
Have a good night.

 

[Cirice]

Hello! I have a bit of feedback to made regarding the egg hunt, just specific to the puzzle part. I have brought it up quickly in the egg hunt thread but will also write it here.

I believe it would be more appropriate for next puzzle clues to state if the answer can be multiple words, if they can have a space in between them... Since it's not a redemption code.
Per the wording of the thread,

Puzzle: For these eggs, you must submit a specific code, number, or word to receive them.

it can lead to confusion as to how many words can be put in the field. It says word, singular, so it can be assumed that only one word must be written when two words were the answer.

Otherwise I prefer this method of submission for guesses because you won't know until the end if you're right, it's frustrating but part of the game, instead of trying to bruteforce a code.

That is all, that is the only feedback I have to give for future events!

 

[xSuperMario64x]

adding to what Cirice said, I'm always so worried when entering puzzle submissions because I think, does it need to be in all caps? do I need to leave spaces or write it as one word? am I even entering the word correctly (like, if the answer is blue rose, would blue hybrid rose count)?

maybe clarifying the formatting, as well as the amount of leniency allowed, would make the puzzles less daunting to solve.

 

[BetsySundrop]

I really LOVED this egg hunt!

Saw some earlier feedback, adding my 2 cents.

- I don't think teams would be a good direction. I think teams have a whole different set of problems (balancing, etc) that would create more difficulty with no reward.

- I love being able to work in groups and to share between groups. In our dms, we put hints behind spoilers, and it was usually only after someone had been looking forEVER, were truly lost, or having a specific issue (27) that they'd ask for more hints. People genuinely made effort to find them on their own. And the groups are a good way to share reasoning and ideas when working on puzzles, which ultimately each person has to decide what answer makes sense to them because you don't know for sure.

- I realize this can be more difficult for newer members who don't know anyone to firm groups with, but the solution could be:

something like "helper bunny" or such

Fantastic idea! Opt-in as a helper bunny or a helper, scary clown version of zipper.

I saw a reference to camp clues. The birbs! Those were able to be worked 'publicly', but were wicked hard clues. Like the island tours birb found on youtube. I think the community eggs are kind of like that. I like em.

I'd like to suggest a new category of solo egg: an 'action' egg. What if the action eggs required you to perform some action, or sequence of actions, before the egg appeared. Like the naitucal twilight egg. Change timezone, create a title, something. But we'd know we were expected to do some action before finding? Or maybe not. Just a possibility. Only suggesting as a category because we might see more of them (yay), and we would be forewarned of the action requirement (double yay).

I wondered if there was a way to bring back the redeem box infinite guesses combined with some really hard clues, but couldn't think of anything. I just really like the redeem box and miss it very much. We became close during a very difficult mirror brute force session.

Oh! And regarding the spamming of reactions in non- event threads (guilty! apologies to those I've wrongfully spammed with ice cream poo swirls, snowballs). I think event backgrounds and an etiquette note in the event op might help? Something like, outside of event threads, please be kind and only spam those participating, look for the event backgrounds. But then, you wouldn't want to be stuck policing that as an official rule or anything. And not everyone gets the backgrounds. But the problem of limiting to event threads is the event threads being choked with dust type posts. I can't think of a good solution for this one.

 

[a potato]

And regarding the spamming of reactions in non- event threads, I think event backgrounds and an etiquette note in the event op might help? Something like, outside of event threads, please be kind and only spam those participating, look for the event backgrounds. But then, you wouldn't want to be stuck policing that as an official rule or anything. And not everyone gets the backgrounds. But the problem of limiting to event threads is the event threads being choked with dust type posts. I can't think of a good solution for this one.

To me at least, I don’t see a problem in the event board being spammed with reactions and posts. If people are going to spam, might as well have it in a place meant for it. I think regardless of if you want to participate in the event, it’s worth a cleaner forum experience for everyone.

 

[mogyay]

oh wow I forgot there was a feedback thread, I haven't read through fully what's been said yet but I'll post what I mentioned on the egg hunt thread here

Spoiler

some very minor feedback/suggestions
I think we know by now there's no perfect way of running these events so this isn't me complaining but for the most part this event still heavily benefits those who can be around for every single egg drop (assuming you want the golden egg which most of us probably know we're not going to get anyway lol)

A lot of the eggs I assume are found within the first few minutes/half hour so if you're not around for that initial drop you're already on a backfoot, some eggs I'd argue are basically a speedrun to get to first

It'd be neat if there was a way of users benefiting from finding the "harder" eggs first, like maybe if an egg hasn't been found within the first 3 hours there's an added bonus or something?

Just at the moment there's no difference from finding a really simple egg first where the clue is very straightforward to a harder one where someone is scoruring through thousands of pages potentially..

Anyway just a thought!

later edit: I just re-read what I said and I'm not trying to imply that getting the most eggs first shouldn't mean you don't get the gold egg or that anyone is undeserving, I just meant it'd be good if there was a lil bonus for those who found the tricky ones!

also I like the idea of a thread alongside the event to encourage people to help each other or a "helper role". even though group work is allowed it's still so scary actually dm'ing people, especially if you don't really have many personal encounters with people normally on the forums, I'm lucky I have (very smart) friends on here but if I didn't then I'd just suffer in silence because I wouldn't be about to disturb someone I didn't know

 

[seliph]

How?
"Solo" eggs are already allowed to be discussed in personal messages.
Instead of allowing that, I'm suggesting that groups could be formed and hints used in group threads instead of pms.

Sorry I fell asleep and then worked so I didn't get to respond

Are you not suggesting it be similar to a team event where we're split into 4 groups? That's what I'm referring to with the camp thing, because having like 15 people at a time help out made things much smoother.

Unless you mean a group thread for every small group of 2-5 people in which case, that'd be really difficult to moderate so I don't think it's a good idea for all the work that'd have to be put in. Personally I much prefer communicating offsite for pretty much everything, TBT is kinda clunky compared to say Discord groups

 

[-Blue-]

there were clues? I thought it was the "eggs are hidden, find them on your own. first to find gets and nobody else" event

or was that something else?

I think that was Space Camp. Camp Bell Tree had some kind of bird-watching section where we had to find clues. It was my first experience with it.

 

[Justin]

Would it be possible to get a laugh reaction? There have been quite a few times lately where I wanted to use one, only to remember it doesn’t exist hahahah

Speaking personally... I would love to have one lol. So far, haven't had much luck convincing the rest of the staff, but you never know someday! (believe it or not, there was a time where adding a like button/reaction at all was controversial too) It's very understandable though as it would likely add some extra moderation work dealing with occasional malicious uses of it, and nobody really wants to bother with that. An important issue is that currently we do not have easy tools to remove reactions from a post, so that would probably need to be addressed first too.

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In regard to egg hunt posts, thank you all for your feedback. I'm not going to reply to every single point, but two things that can be quickly and easily addressed:

• Puzzle Instructions: Yes, we could do better here -- this is generally just a leftover from the old redeem method days. This should be clarified next year.
• Helper Thread/Title: I can see merit for having a dedicated thread for seeking egg hunt partners. We actually debated doing so instead of allowing it in the main thread when relaxing the rule a few days ago, but ultimately decided to keep it simple. Perhaps next year we can expand on that as even just explicit public group requests was a change for this year's event.

 

[Croconaw]

I’m one of the few against the laughing react. I see it used more negatively than positively on Facebook, and I’m not sure if it would be similar on the forums. It’s one of the main reasons I left Facebook years ago. I couldn’t ask simple questions without getting laughed at.

One of my questions was regarding my fear of using a knock-off phone charger because I was scared it would break my phone. People called me stupid and laughed at the post. It’s always easier to be a jerk behind a screen, but it doesn’t make it right.

It made me hesitant to bring up even things as simple as that, in fear of judgement. I like this forum because the judgement doesn’t exist here, or at least I wouldn’t know if it does because of the lack of a laughing react.

I don’t think I’d be in support of such react if it were to be added in the future. I would definitely tread more carefully on the forums if that were the case, and not be as comfortable posting as I normally would. Though, that may just be something I have to get over myself.

 

[-Apples-]

I would prefer to respond to a funny post by saying “bursts out laughing” (asterisks included) than use a laugh react or clown react. I did that a few times in the early days of my membership.

 

[S.J.]

I wondered if there was a way to bring back the redeem box infinite guesses combined with some really hard clues, but couldn't think of anything. I just really like the redeem box and miss it very much. We became close during a very difficult mirror brute force session.

I don't have any ideas for how to make it work with the current format of the event, but I do love the redeem box too! I think there was something really fun and satisfying about seeing your redeem code input finally be accepted!

 

[lasagne_of_death]

I don't have any ideas for how to make it work with the current format of the event, but I do love the redeem box too! I think there was something really fun and satisfying about seeing your redeem code input finally be accepted!

Not to be that one ignorant person, but what's a redeem box? I'm guessing they were before my time of using TBT

 

[-Apples-]

Another improvement I would like to see: another fire festival or at least another event where the Motes of Flame can return. *plays Bolero of Fire*

 

[Halloqueen]

Not to be that one ignorant person, but what's a redeem box? I'm guessing they were before my time of using TBT

Basically, you'd click the number of Eggs in your sidebar. A box would appear, you'd type in the code and if you were correct, you'd earn an egg currency.

You can still click the number in your sidebar right now to see, it's just not how it's done anymore though.

 

[nightglow]

Sorry I fell asleep and then worked so I didn't get to respond

Are you not suggesting it be similar to a team event where we're split into 4 groups? That's what I'm referring to with the camp thing, because having like 15 people at a time help out made things much smoother.

Unless you mean a group thread for every small group of 2-5 people in which case, that'd be really difficult to moderate so I don't think it's a good idea for all the work that'd have to be put in. Personally I much prefer communicating offsite for pretty much everything, TBT is kinda clunky compared to say Discord groups

A team event. But I doubt everyone would want to join in a group (team), just like everyone didn't hop into the personal messages for this event. Sure balancing could potentially be an issue, but it could be for camp too.. but it is resolved before the event starts assuming enough time is given for people to go into a team before the event starts. Which, even if teams aren't done, I would really like a couple of days to be given to members to be able to find a place to join in with PMs somewhere, if they want to be there, before the event actually starts.
Groups of two to five people would make it too tedious for team threads. But a place on the actual forum to go to is more welcoming for newer members or members who aren't as active during the year vs a pm. A helper thread is a good compromise, but I didn't feel like commenting on it when it was first brought up as my thoughts doesn't really matter anyway, and I was just trying to start discussion to get something moving because I have felt like this issue has been kinda ignored for the time I've been around on the forums at the very least, or my comments are taken pretty sideways half the time for whatever reason, so less is better.
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As for a laugh or joke emoji, I don't think the forum is ready for that tbh. Maybe one day. I guess it could be tested out in a section of the forums, like the gaming section.

 

[skarmoury]

Oh! And regarding the spamming of reactions in non- event threads (guilty! apologies to those I've wrongfully spammed with ice cream poo swirls, snowballs). I think event backgrounds and an etiquette note in the event op might help? Something like, outside of event threads, please be kind and only spam those participating, look for the event backgrounds. But then, you wouldn't want to be stuck policing that as an official rule or anything. And not everyone gets the backgrounds. But the problem of limiting to event threads is the event threads being choked with dust type posts. I can't think of a good solution for this one.

(sorry this isn't meant to be a negative comment!! hehe)

But I'm pretty sure there's a way to turn off notifications for reactions! It's really hard to police where you can or can't react, because this is a public forum after all and you can't really stop people from reacting to old stuff. I'll admit it does irk me a little when people dig up my old posts but honestly not a huge deal to me, I can move on from it right away. If there are those who are more bothered by it then turning off reaction alerts during the time period of the event might help greatly ^^ And you can turn only the reaction alerts off and still receive notifications for messages, wall posts, etc. c: