How about we all have a little pow-wow, lets calm down and have a reasonable discussion; anyone who is currently considered "suspicious" is welcome to join with their own input if they're so inclined. View attachment 552783
If we're going to form a "towncore" then we should probably start to think who is realistically the most town here. I made a list on paper lat night of the players that I don't find inherently town and then I narrowed them down to the 5 names below.
I said earlier that one of these 5 has mafia: Oath, Arstotzkan, RibbitRibbon, Volt and Ender. The order of those is in the way that I want them dead. Considering Arstotzkan has a chance of dying no matter what, I reasonably think Oath is the best choice. RibbitRibbon, Volt and Ender all have points that make me think they're town and I'm reluctant to consider them on this list. If not them, then these players need to be considered:
Jacob, Annika, Geoni.
How do we feel about this? Is there a more solid "box" of players that we could create for PoE? I've already outlined why I'm not including my personal TR's on this list.
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(Yes your boy is still following. And yes I've been screaming at my phone screen.)
finding it difficult to come up with reads i believe in tbh as well outside of you being town, more difficult when it's a lot of people you're unfamiliar with since my reads often come from meta lol
kinda lean on tessa being town overall, d1 they did a lot of poking around and trying to get reactions / responses from people (e.g #273, #357, a lot more examples exist tbh but lazy to put here lol) which strikes me as genuine solving and trying to get a read of things, on top of the more assertive tone at points also makes me think they believe what they're saying (e.g. #107 #110 #382). one point that kinda makes me sceptical on tessa though is that she did kill a villager yesterday with the king kill, which don't get me wrong i don't think is inherently a wolfy thing in itself since i think a lot of people would have killed chris in her position, but I'm kinda sceptical that not that many people are speculating it could be her because of that at the same time? I feel like if villager it might be a bit more likely that wolves try and use that point against her today, but im kinda shaky on that reasoning tbh and think my points for tring are stronger
I'm not too sure on oath, initially i thought they could be town cause of their carefree attitude d1, joking around about dying (not seeming to care too much about it), and also resistance to being king came across to me as towny, but in more recent posts they feel kinda... scared? which feels like a p big contrast. I think he is being pushed a bit more tbh so it kinda makes sense if he's a villager but the tonal shift is kinda throwing me off still lol
geoni is a weird one since they only have 2 posts lol, tbh a lot of it felt like filler just talking about mech which feels kinda easy to post as a wolf. wanna see more from them before I place a confident read there but would lean mafia atm
@annika what are your thoughts on my thoughts above?
My post is not part of the game. The comment in small print was just my acknowledgement that I've had to continue interacting with the thread as a moderator while not being able to participate in the game.
I tried going back and finding this argument and are you referring to Ness’s questioning on Ender’s Jacob read? I’ve already voiced my opinion on his read but that interaction between ness and ender was not noticeable to me. The only thing that is of most note between the two is that they both agree on an Oath kill
I tried going back and finding this argument and are you referring to Ness’s questioning on Ender’s Jacob read? I’ve already voiced my opinion on his read but that interaction between ness and ender was not noticeable to me. The only thing that is of most note between the two is that they both agree on an Oath kill
Got titled at work earlier and decided coming back to post in a titled mindset wouldn't do well for me in the way of anything. Watched four episodes of Dungeon Meshi and took a 30 minute walk, so here I am for a smidgeon. But also who asked?
Why hold on questioning Tessa? She's gonna have to catch up anyways, surely if you have questions you can ping and ideally she'll reply?
i dont think trent/ness/dan is the group we should focus, instead i need to go back to EoD to see who fed into the chris wagon
i think trent wasnt part of it
I was not. I did not personally see the merit in killing off Chris but at the same time I didn't exactly have any real reason to prevent it either. It's easy to say now given the bridge is already crossed, but that's the truth if you want it.
Joking day one or joking now too? Because honestly today has the added benefit of being funny and useful. Like everyone else has stated so far, you're not really participating outside of defense and I would have expected some spaghetti throwing by now to come up with something.
1. No, there are receipts of Dan saying he wanted you as king because you were coasting by. Maybe that's a feather in his cap of maintaining his townread if you're wolf, but I digress.
2. You're basically saying I'm wolfreading you for the same thing you did said about myself. You said this below right?
Its convenient to say that I'm going for Oath because he's "easy," but I've provided my reasoning already in post #556 on page 28. You've still said absolutely nothing. All it would have took was a response to what I asked, or even some basic thoughts on the game, to have made me not want him as my direct target. What's "easy" is simply saying you're town but continuing to say nothing when multiple people have asking for your thoughts.
Why should volt have anything to do with his own behavior in thread? Volt has made some decent posts that admittedly I haven't dissected enough yet, but they're ultimately irrelevant in that conversation. Why try to change the subject off himself when all I asked was a question? Daniel was talking about volt, not me
Got titled at work earlier and decided coming back to post in a titled mindset wouldn't do well for me in the way of anything. Watched four episodes of Dungeon Meshi and took a 30 minute walk, so here I am for a smidgeon. But also who asked?
Why hold on questioning Tessa? She's gonna have to catch up anyways, surely if you have questions you can ping and ideally she'll reply?
I was not. I did not personally see the merit in killing off Chris but at the same time I didn't exactly have any real reason to prevent it either. It's easy to say now given the bridge is already crossed, but that's the truth if you want it.
Joking day one or joking now too? Because honestly today has the added benefit of being funny and useful. Like everyone else has stated so far, you're not really participating outside of defense and I would have expected some spaghetti throwing by now to come up with something.
I mean that typically in this setup it seems likely that at least 1 of the mafias is gonna try and gun for king cuz of the control it gives wolves in terms of taking a kill out of town's hands + putting it in their own, and i think mafia's mindset would not be to entirely shut down the possibility even if they aren't necessarily gunning for it, at least imo
granted i do think there's some room for WIFOM there but just the way shiny went about it in paticular struck me as towny, but ig doesn't matter that much now that they're dead anyway
(ftr this is what I said since I don't think I can nest quotes: "but kinda would be weird for mafia to disincentivise the possibility of them becoming king when that's a strong asset for the mafia to try and utilise")
(this post is in relation to annika)
she was mafia in that game, the main way I read her is through the believability of her posts as I think she can find it difficult to replicate her believability as town tbh. I haven't really found any posts where i'm like 'yeah she doesn't believe this' in this game
I also somewhat read her on her tone of voice and I think that's another of the reasons i tr her this game, I think this game in particular she's playing p hard into her 'appear unbothered but actually being bothered' type of tone which I've seen exclusively from her as town
ngl reading through the more recent posts from ness, I feel a bit better about them. particularly in regards to the way they dealt with me, feels like they have been fairly inquisitive about me rather than just lazily leaning one way or the other. I don't really feel strongly either way in terms of their campaign for being king at least for today in terms of how they're gone about it, though I do think in general it's kinda greater than random chance that wolves would want to campaign for king rn for reasons previously mentioned
tbh I kinda like the transparency in acknowledging that they did want Chris to die and not really beating around the bush in saying it (despite chris being town), think mafia might be more likely to either not bring that up or beat around the bush?
I’m guessing arostotzkan will be modkilled if she doesn’t came back today. Disappointing
I was hoping geoni would have popped in last night since he usually is mostly active overnight, but his one introduction post did hardly much but to comment on the game state. Was really hoping to have more to read on him today
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Im not convinced Trent is town. He’s been backseating it today mostly
Not sure what you were expecting, it's most been the same five people posting and night didn't yield anything spectacular other apparently I can miss a soft. Kat's probably getting modkilled, Geoni is probably getting modkilled, Tessa is/was traveling + sick????, Ribbit, Annika and Jacob's posts dont spectacularly standout to me either but that said I'm going to try to reread them during my two breaks at work or skim fast during the last hour and some change I'll have tonight before the thread closes.
I will say I don't think Dan should be voted king, but that's all guts
Not sure what you were expecting, it's most been the same five people posting and night didn't yield anything spectacular other apparently I can miss a soft. Kat's probably getting modkilled, Geoni is probably getting modkilled, Tessa is/was traveling + sick????, Ribbit, Annika and Jacob's posts dont spectacularly standout to me either but that said I'm going to try to reread them during my two breaks at work or skim fast during the last hour and some change I'll have tonight before the thread closes.
I will say I don't think Dan should be voted king, but that's all guts
I was only able to catch up to post 160 before work this morning. I take lunch in an hour and forty minutes from now. I will post my general feelings on everyone during the time I have and just current page for the hour and 20 I'll have before EoD if anyone can @ me with a generally agreed upon PoE I will ISO those folks in particular.
Spoiler but I am partial to kinging Ness or Arstotzkan based on what I have read so far but if something yikesy popped up from them after 160 or the night phase in general @ me why.
Again sorry for my garbage contributions so far. Will try my dangest not to be a default policy kill here even though I 100% would understand if anyone said I was.
Your read on Jacob was the town read you've explained the most so far. Thought you would've trusted them being king. Additionally, I thought you were still generally trying to read Volt (both from meta and in this game), so to put your trust in them like this was not what I was expecting
I was only able to catch up to post 160 before work this morning. I take lunch in an hour and forty minutes from now. I will post my general feelings on everyone during the time I have and just current page for the hour and 20 I'll have before EoD if anyone can @ me with a generally agreed upon PoE I will ISO those folks in particular.
Spoiler but I am partial to kinging Ness or Arstotzkan based on what I have read so far but if something yikesy popped up from them after 160 or the night phase in general @ me why.
Again sorry for my garbage contributions so far. Will try my dangest not to be a default policy kill here even though I 100% would understand if anyone said I was.
Your read on Jacob was the town read you've explained the most so far. Thought you would've trusted them being king. Additionally, I thought you were still generally trying to read Volt (both from meta and in this game), so to put your trust in them like this was not what I was expecting
kinda lean on tessa being town overall, d1 they did a lot of poking around and trying to get reactions / responses from people (e.g #273, #357, a lot more examples exist tbh but lazy to put here lol) which strikes me as genuine solving and trying to get a read of things, on top of the more assertive tone at points also makes me think they believe what they're saying (e.g. #107 #110 #382).
yeah this does make sense
I know I was townleaning Tessa D1 too, although for a different reason, and even though I threw away all my reads, I kinda want to go back to townleaning her just cos I'm struggling to make new thoughts haha
those posts you linked sound good to me too, so it's reasonable
one point that kinda makes me sceptical on tessa though is that she did kill a villager yesterday with the king kill, which don't get me wrong i don't think is inherently a wolfy thing in itself since i think a lot of people would have killed chris in her position, but I'm kinda sceptical that not that many people are speculating it could be her because of that at the same time? I feel like if villager it might be a bit more likely that wolves try and use that point against her today, but im kinda shaky on that reasoning tbh and think my points for tring are stronger
I'm not too sure on oath, initially i thought they could be town cause of their carefree attitude d1, joking around about dying (not seeming to care too much about it), and also resistance to being king came across to me as towny, but in more recent posts they feel kinda... scared? which feels like a p big contrast. I think he is being pushed a bit more tbh so it kinda makes sense if he's a villager but the tonal shift is kinda throwing me off still lol
I had a similar feeling D1, I thought they could be town bc I saw Daniel say they were insistent on not being the king (though it wasn't enough for me to townlean them)
I guess I haven't noticed the tonal shift but I'll look at what you're talking about
geoni is a weird one since they only have 2 posts lol, tbh a lot of it felt like filler just talking about mech which feels kinda easy to post as a wolf. wanna see more from them before I place a confident read there but would lean mafia atm
