Mafia The Real Housewives of Mafia - Town Wins

[Dolby]

Farobi is 100% town. There's no way there's no cop, we would have had a cc. Dad and Glow COULD be maf, but only one of them I think. His PM fishing makes sense to me from a cop's standpoint

 

[moonford]

Zendel explain the arso claim do you think yiu can send the action before the game start or on the day?

I don't know how arson games really work despite playing in a mini game based around arsons (Bianca's game was terrible in almost everyway, not because of Bianca obviously) and I don't remember when they were sent in.

It was probably sent in before the game if Heyden came in with "I'm doused" as his first line of posts.

 

[Dolby]

Good morning my lovelies, time for another wonderful game of mafia!

If there was 7 buttons, each one a different colour of the rainbow, and you knew 1 blew up the world but didn't know which, but you had to click one, which would you click?
What sort of question is this? If I had to I would say red because ita my favorite colour

How much mafia experience do you have?
Several games, 1 game as mafia, the rest as town.

What's your preferred alignment?
100% town. Hated being mafia and I was terrible at it.

Who's in the mafia team?
Possibly Dolby and Punchy. The former wouldnt suprise me and I dont like the latter's behaviour. Unsure about the last one/two mafia.

What's your preferred pronoun?
He/Him, male pronouns

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Also dunno if this is significant, but Chele skipped a question on the RQS and stated no reason why unlike Ness

Ftr, this has already been commented on extensively, but dropped after a period. The issue here is that it should have been clear at that point that myself and Punchy were not on the same team. The logic for going after me is honestly pretty bad, but I'd accept that since people have said that about me in their past RQS's, but pairing me with Punchy is just no. Chele skipping an RQS question is kinda meh to point, but non-AI

Also came back to this and Sensai was bizarrely confident in saying that it was me/Punchy in comparison to the rest of the game. Don't know how to take that

I didnt notice Farobi missing questions, just Chele. It doesnt concern me, its just something that ought to be brought up.

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The fact that Farobi did miss those questions is telling though. Wether it was on purpose or not.

Overall just meh. I do find the second part of the merge weird to say after saying that it doesn't concern him, but I'm not going to take anything out of it IRONY

In all honestly, I have so far cobsidering Ive just woke up. I hope that isnt an issue.

Meh

How can you say you didn't OMGUS when you're the only person Dolby suspects and yet you suspect him in return?

I actually like this post because I really agree with it, even though Punchy ended up being town

I don't see anything but a town alignment from Zendel. Nitpicking at grammar is a bad reason to suspect someone, especially if you don't know any rl circumstances.

This is just bad.
Zendal corrects grammer=lock town. I'd also like to note that it came literally four minutes after this

As far as I can remember Zendel does correct grammar mistakes frequently, that in itself is not alignment indicative.

Which I do agree with

Notable, this post was the first townread (third read overall) that Sensai has given out. Saying that Zendal is lock-town for trying to avoid grammer mistakes is just ugh. Like, it's so flawed that I don't even know how to explain how flawed it is.

Gonna treat Sensai's next post (#285) as two separate ones

@Ness @Dolby @Artzokhan

May I remind you I responded to the RQS at 7am, half asleep and skim read the thread. After reading again and seeing Punchy's actions, I dont see them as a compatable team in any way. Im more incluned to believe Dolby is town and Punchy is scum.

Apologies, on mobile but should be on my laptop within an hour.

There really isn't anything wrong with it. He caves, which I honestly don't view as alignment indicative, as anyone should recognize that the Punchy/me team was flawed in the first place. Though I do feel he should have recognized it at the time.

Its more of knowing and understanding Zendel's tone. Zendel stated in his RQS that he hates being scum and that he hates lying about his alignment. I dont see anything fake about the way about Zendel is playing this game. Thats a major factor for me.

One townread still. At least he has reasons now, but it's changed significantly. This is a significant departure from Sensai's previous reasoning (based on the grammer thing). While I can understand and probably agree that Znedal doesn't seem fake, why not just state it in your first read.

Moreover, the fact that Sensai has only one townread actually bothers me because in Kingmaker, Sensai started the game with a larger focus on who he thinks is town. So far (when I'm writing this), I believe that Sensai has only had one full on townlean (the one on me was dependent on Punchy being scum). While in Kingmaker, even before his inspection on Tom, Sensai was working harder to isolate town from scum, rather than just trying to point out who was scum (which largely seems to be agreeing with the direction the thread is going).

It was more of a first name that popped into my head thing as welll as based on previous games like Gwneroc Mafia. Probably sound like i'm bluffing but theres nothing else I can add that can justify why I thought of Dolby.

Also this punchy bs is beginning to piss me off. He's sounding more and more like Bianca and i'm not liking that.

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*Generic mafia

Responding to why he thought me/Punchy was initially compatible in the first place. Non-AI. Still going after Punchy.

(skipped 4 or 5 posts that had no value)

i mean the night phase. eod is 3am for me.

I'm debating between Punchy, Glow and Dad for vote

This is new, like very new. Not the suspicion on Punchy of course, but Sensai has never mentioned Glow or Dad up until this point, and ultimately failed to provide reasoning. Don't like it

Would it not be possible for them though to try and get on the good side of as many people as possible while trying not to sound shady?

Lowkey shade against Farobi. Don't particularly like, but given the wagon against him yesterday, I'm not gonna fault you for it

Voting Punchy as it seems like the safest vote, g'night

At this point in time, a vote on Punchy was essentially worthless. Nobody was voting for him, and the Kat, Dad, and Glow wagons had multiple people on them. Really, from Sensai's perspective, Punchy was the safest vote to avoid any blame if he was maf. His lynch was supremely unlikely to happen at that point. Moreover, voting for Dad or Glow would have kept the wagon off of Kat, who Sensai was null on. Voting for Dad or Glow would have been safer, as it would have kept the wagon on his scumleans.

In addition, Sensai's play in Kingmaker was pretty different. So far, he's been non-commital on a lot of people, and I honestly find it odd that he only townreads Zendal so far. For Kingmaker in example, he was willing to defend people from wagon's that came out of nowhere

People seem to be pushing way too hard on Tina. I understand how she is feeling because this is me literally every mafia game I play and yet I still get stick for it. Never played with Tina before so idk her playstyle but her frustration screams town.

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I'm doing work while reading this so forgive the posting, I'll make some substancial posts later on but rn, I have important things to do.

Came in, 12 hours into D1, with a reads list, with reasoning

Just a quick read, don't take any of this too seriously.

Townlean

• Zendel - Posts freely and is not afraid to ask questions. This is very unlike how he played in the the SU2 game where he was mafia.
• Dolby - In Caxnival it was very clear to me while in obvs that Dolby was mafia, especially during the Bianca x Vanessa viligante debate.
• Tina - Genuine frustration, never played with her before so unsure of her playstyle though others say she uses AtE, most recently in BOWT where she was mafia. Will be taken into account however for the time being, she seems town to me.

Null

• F11
• Bianca - I'm scum leaning her in every game from now on
• jacob
• glow
• Panda
• Cleb

Scumlean

• Tom - Very lurky and posts spontaniously, Like Tina, never had played with Tom before so idk his play style, his posts seem a little off so I wouldn't be suprised if he flipped scum.
• Trundle - I can never read him, his arrogance makes it hard to tell, no offence but my gut feeling tells me he is scum.

TOAD

Skeptical of the early third party claim but willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Unless Toad has some sort of trick up his sleeve, I believe him.

Need to look into

• ITYW
• Evan
• Chick
• Vanessa

Just ask me anything you want about this

Heck, even his reasoning for townreading Zendal in Kingmaker was far better

I should probably clarify myself a bit more, Zendel's posts are the opposite of what I remember scum Zendel to be like; in SU2 mafia, Zendel was careful with what he posted and when he did, was awfully fake with his act. I don't see that with this game. However, unlike him, as you've said yourself your arrogance and attitude is what makes me scum lean you by gut instinct. It is peliminary so don't take this read to heart

Sensai relates to Zendal's meta (which shows a willingness to go back to past games and evaluate stuff). Whereas this game he just sounds "genuine"

Whereas in Zendal's ill-fated game. Actually since Zendal locked the thread I can't quote anything from there. I could obviously if I was willing to go to the effort but gtg. But the similarities are striking, including a similar reaction to the Cleb/Karen fight that game to me/Punchy

 

[moonford]

Btw, Heyden is still debateable hence why I don't townlock him and moved him lower down on my list.

 

[Dolby]

Also, really don't feel like making teams is going to help me this game. While Sensai has been heavily townreading Zendal (the only townlean which naturally arose from them), I'm not going to draw conclusions on that, while I do think it's more likely for Sensai and Zendal to be paired

 

[moonford]

@ Dolby's entire post

I fully agree with the entire thing, his lack of effort and the fact that he has been sitting on this thread and watching for god knows how long off and off is really worrying.

 

[Dolby]

@ Dolby's entire post

I fully agree with the entire thing, his lack of effort and the fact that he has been sitting on this thread and watching for god knows how long off and off is really worrying.

If you could unlock the pokemon game that'd be great since I can actually quote it and it'll be just easier

 

[unravel]

Once the results came we can discuss the crier and arso

 

[moonford]

If you could unlock the pokemon game that'd be great since I can actually quote it and it'll be just easier

done

 

[Dolby]

Sensai in Trouble in Aloha

Ok, actually Sensai is slightly different from this game to right now. However I kind of feel that arises from being a lynch candidate in Aloha (until I broke Bianca)

It definitely sticks out like a sore thumb in comparison to other people being suspicious. Its something I ould consider worth noting down.

It definitely sticks out like a sore thumb in comparison to other people being suspicious. Its something I ould consider worth noting down.

Actually find this really similar to this post from the current game. In which Sensai is essentially saying "yeah it's sus, just don't associate this with me if it goes wrong"

I didnt notice Farobi missing questions, just Chele. It doesnt concern me, its just something that ought to be brought up.

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The fact that Farobi did miss those questions is telling though. Wether it was on purpose or not.

Thoughts so far:

Btw not quoting because im on mobile

I'm not sure how i feel about the cleb x kermit outbreak that happened earlier in the game. Kermit may of been joking around but could also of been trying to get a reaction from cleb, who acted very aggressively in turn. I could possibly see this as a town lean for kermit and a scum lean for cleb, though i don't think anyone who's scum would act as aggressive as cleb did, so for now kermit is a town lean and cleb is null.

Bianca's instant vote on Ness seems a bit off to me. I dont get why she also contradicted herself in a post earlier today. Initially i did think her votes on Ness possibly meant her town alignment but im not sure about that anymore due to recent events. Null/slight scum.

Jacob's mixeup with Bowie seems like a genuine mistake on his behalf.

This is just after a quick readthrough of the thread so i'll share moreover of my thoughts when i have a proper look.

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Fire any questions you have at me.

This is the meat of Sensai's day one. Sensai did end of making a color list, but I'm not going to evaluate that as he hasn't made anything comparible and it could influence his behavior. Here we continue to see one behavior similar to this game, a reluctance to address who Sensai thinks is town. Instead we see a focus on suspicion, which deals with the primary motive of scum, to cause mislynches. Also kind of find her reaction to Cleb/Kermit somewhat similar to me/Punchy.

Oops must of misread.

Fireninja lack of activity and contentless posts put me on edgle slightly.

Apple's town claim which came out of nowhere. I wouldn't be so bothered if he was on the hot seat but he wasn't, now as a result, players here now are questioning his alignment, including myself.

Bianca's placeholder vote at the beginning of the game as well as her contradictory in a post earlier today stands out to me.

I did initially townlean Kermit after his dispute with cleb but his ****posting throughout the day has made no contribution whatsoever to the game and frustrates me more than anything. Their wasting their time and if they're "bored", they might aswell stop posting and let themselves be modkilled because they ain't doing any favours right now. Scum lean.

I think this post perfectly illustrates my point on reluctance of Sensai to townread people. Literally, he gave two townreads up until his colored list on D2 (caused by thread pressure). Karen (arising due to Cleb/Karen being unviable) and Kallie (town thread leader).

I'm going to eat now, but I think this adaquately shows my point that Sensai is playing similar to how he in Aloha

 

[moonford]

Could someone explain arsonists?

Apparently there can be mafia and town arsonist from what I'm gathering here? I don't understand it completely and the mini game was messy so I didn't get a full understanding from there.

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I searched it but I still don't understand completely.

 

[cornimer]

Thoughts so far:

Btw not quoting because im on mobile

I'm not sure how i feel about the cleb x kermit outbreak that happened earlier in the game. Kermit may of been joking around but could also of been trying to get a reaction from cleb, who acted very aggressively in turn. I could possibly see this as a town lean for kermit and a scum lean for cleb, though i don't think anyone who's scum would act as aggressive as cleb did, so for now kermit is a town lean and cleb is null.

Bianca's instant vote on Ness seems a bit off to me. I dont get why she also contradicted herself in a post earlier today. Initially i did think her votes on Ness possibly meant her town alignment but im not sure about that anymore due to recent events. Null/slight scum.

Jacob's mixeup with Bowie seems like a genuine mistake on his behalf.

This is just after a quick readthrough of the thread so i'll share moreover of my thoughts when i have a proper look.

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Fire any questions you have at me.

The part I bolded, he said the exact same thing in this game too let me find it

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Somebody throw some questions at me. I'd rather that cause idk how to approach a topic.

Here it is

 

[Dolby]

The part I bolded, he said the exact same thing in this game too let me find it

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Here it is

Yeah, I remember that to, but it really isn't AI in my opinion. He could easily say that as pressured town as well

 

[cornimer]

Yeah, I remember that to, but it really isn't AI in my opinion. He could easily say that as pressured town as well

That's true, I just remembered it immediately when I saw the quote since you were talking about similarities

 

[moonford]

So arsonists are primarily third party but they can also be mafia? So I know about that now.

Need to look into Heyden even more because I was under the assumption that there could only be scum arsonists.

 

[amazonevan19]

I made the same criticism when I got the role and he straight up linked me this: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper

So he's taken to mafiascum's interpretation of jailkeeper.

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Panda, what are your thoughts on who you find the most suspicious? That's overdue. Don't care as much about your townreads as I do about your scumreads if that makes it less of a chore.

Lol wtf. Guess mafiascum roles are what toad goes by, instead of epicmafia...in epicmafia the jailer can kill and has their own chat

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So arsonists are primarily third party but they can also be mafia? So I know about that now.

Need to look into Heyden even more because I was under the assumption that there could only be scum arsonists.

I suppose different sites have different standards. I never heard of a TP arsonist before this game; to me they were always scum aligned.

Gonna ask some questions to Heyden privately

 

[SensaiGallade]

Holy ****ing ****, when I said I would vote punchy because it was the safest option, I wasn?t expecting people to bandwagon and last minute vote on him. No offense but what a cluster**** of an EOD.

My head hurts after re-reading the entire thread. If something seems off, you have my apologies. If you're wondering why I've been lurking on the thread for hours, its cause I was re-reading the entire thread.

Townlock
Townlean
Null
Scumlean

Farobi ? Detective. I believe his claim cause quite frankly, PM?ing people to see who to trust as cop makes sense.

Vanessa ? Quite clearly town aligned. You can shoot me in the foot if Vanessa is scum.

Dad - Jailer

Ness ? Clear town, there is nothing suspicious about him.

Zendel ? States in his RQS that he hates being mafia and deceiving people. So far I believe he?s done nothing of that and based off meta, Zendel is able to freely post with no worries very much unlike SU2 which if I remember clearly, he was scum in.

Evan ? The PM Ness provided seems very legitimate and is well played if indeed fake. I don?t think any scum would act as much as evan did.

Kat ? Was very adamant that Punchy was town after spotting his townslip, however sadly it did not save him. Kat also claimed vanilla townie which I am inclined to believe

Dolby - I would normally town lean Dolby since its much clearer to distinguish between his two plays but his meta in Generic Mafia threw me off completely and I did not expect him to be a hostile TP even after claiming to be survivor.

Endless ? I?m inclined to say town but idk what to think of him, hard to read imo.

Mog ? We haven?t seen much of mog, but I know she is busy throughout the day so I can give her the benefit of the doubt. I didn?t like Dad?s post on her RQS but then dad has claimed jailer.

Chele ? Much different play than in Generic Mafia at the beginning of the game. Sadly, she has fallen from grace and made her way into mostly inactive, very similar to Generic Mafia

Dedenne ? No offense, but Dedenne can use her noobishness as a way to wriggle her way into people?s good books. Though I don?t want to penalise a new player for something potential like that

Panda ? No substancial posts (not that I can talk anyway for that). I?m sorry but when you have posted, mainly EOD, there was nothing but fluff or joking and you seemed to take advantage of the chaos and vote evan while the attention wasn?t on you. Touch?.

ITYW ? Not as obvious as Kingmaker, but I do have my suspicions of Waffles. Its most likely hypocritical for me to judge someone based on activity and lurking (which is what ive spent the majority of the day doing), but Waffles activity is showing similarities between Kingmaker when she was discovered as mafia. Waffles did everything she could to avoid the thread, lurk, go on invisible which didnt work cause Tina could see her. I also noticed that she was a bit contradictory in regards to dedenne and listed her as a strong scum lean even when she was defending her at some point.

Glow ? Little worried about Glow?s inactivity. Could be a telling of scum meta. I also dislike the fact that ?dolby is 99% mafia? because ?he pretty much went into this game trying to scumread me from one of his first few posts and uses my inactivity as an excuse to do it?. OMGUS. Not going to penalise that much though especially considering the time of the year.

To conclude, my scum leans are Dedenne/Chele, Panda, ITYW and Glow with Dedenne/Chele being the weakest and the rest being the strongest.

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Well no suprise I've been ISO'd ?\_(ツ)_/?

 

[Dolby]

Sensai, would you say that Glow and Waffles are teammates? And also for that matter Waffles and Dedenne

Also, can someone link me up with a recent game in full that Mog played where she wasn't a replacement/modkill. Having a hard time finding one

 

[Arstotzkan]

hey wait guys if we're going by mafiascum's interpretations, then we've got some rethinking to do when it comes to Arsonist.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Arsonist

A popular variant of Arsonist is more like a modified Vigilante. This Arsonist's Night Action is to prime a target player. Its secondary action is to ignite all primed players, killing them all at once. Ignition may occur during the Day if the moderator allows it. There is no consensus as to whether the Firefighter protects players from being primed. One-Shot Arsonists are only allowed to ignite once. This variant is more likely to be Town-aligned.

I've seen the same variation of the jailer Dad got on here before, but if this is true Arson might be a town role here. But priming and stuff rules out the first definition - it's either the TOS variation, I guess the maf variation, or the mafscum variation.

 

[SensaiGallade]

Sensai, would you say that Glow and Waffles are teammates? And also for that matter Waffles and Dedenne

Also, can someone link me up with a recent game in full that Mog played where she wasn't a replacement/modkill. Having a hard time finding one

Quite possible. If i've missed something with these two having beef or something, its not unusual for mafia team members to buss each other to make themselves look good. I can't say the same about Dedenne and Waffles hence why it was a cross between Dedenne and Chele. If Dedenne is not scum then it could possibly be Chele.