nintendofan85
Good grief.
I'm not British, but this has caught a lot of attention in the media recently. What are your thoughts?
Theresa May's Brexit deal defeated in the UK's parliament
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RedTropicalPeachyFish
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Ah, something I've been wondering since years back. Wondering, what's the point - what is making The Prime minister so insistent on Brexit besides immigrants' issues. Been wanting to hear from people who's living in England, if the economy issues that are coming from immigrants problem are actually going that bad, or how it's showing in everyday life of usual people.
people like to blame their problems on others rather than the government, by having complete control of our own borders people want to completely weed out the 'bad people' (those from eastern european countries, please note they rarely care about any other countries) as they believe they're taking jobs from birtish people, this of course isn't true and highly hypocritical. there's also a perceived problem of immigrants coming over to take advantage of our benefit system. again not true, it's a very small percent and a lot of immigrants only receive help as they're in such low paid work. this fear of immigrants was pushed by right wing media and politicians to scare people into voting for brexit. britain is going to **** to be honest but it's all the government's fault, they've pushed bad policies and they're always put big companies over individuals, they don't protect the poor or the sick. they're terrible and they prey on weak minded people to believe that britain's problems are the result of a small minority.
as for making the prime minister insistent, she really doesn't have a choice, her party was the one almost unanimously pushing it though.
also you said 'england', which is interesting, there are three other countries in the united kingdom who voted and both ireland and scotland voted unanimously to stay in the eu
I have a friend from Sheffield and she was livid about the Brexit. I also recall that not all regions were in favor, some places like London were against leaving the EU.
I’ve also been to both England and to other European countries, but I can’t speak for the Europeans or the British, but as far I’m aware of many retired British people (especially from England) now lives in harmer places, like Portugal and Spain --- especially Spain as the climate is great and the free healthcare is one of the best available, and it is far more affordable living there than in their home country (and their pensions aren’t that great). I believe this might be one of the points for concern.
I think it is a world-wide problem that there is this fear that immigrants or refugees are going to steal people’s jobs, which is mostly hypocrite: as mogyay mentioned, those are low-paid jobs and they are usually things that most people avoid, like cleaning toilets or working in some segments of the industry. There is also this false belief that immigrants are more crime, but in truth they are usually the least violent group in any town.
My country just elected an extreme right-wing president who idolizes that American cheeto-headed guy and I’m scared. I’m pretty much scared for the entire world the way things are now.
I’ve also been to both England and to other European countries, but I can’t speak for the Europeans or the British, but as far I’m aware of many retired British people (especially from England) now lives in harmer places, like Portugal and Spain --- especially Spain as the climate is great and the free healthcare is one of the best available, and it is far more affordable living there than in their home country (and their pensions aren’t that great). I believe this might be one of the points for concern.
I think it is a world-wide problem that there is this fear that immigrants or refugees are going to steal people’s jobs, which is mostly hypocrite: as mogyay mentioned, those are low-paid jobs and they are usually things that most people avoid, like cleaning toilets or working in some segments of the industry. There is also this false belief that immigrants are more crime, but in truth they are usually the least violent group in any town.
My country just elected an extreme right-wing president who idolizes that American cheeto-headed guy and I’m scared. I’m pretty much scared for the entire world the way things are now.
nintendofan85
Good grief.
It wasn't unanimous, but Scotland and Northern Ireland did vote to stay by a landslide.
- - - Post Merge - - -
Are you Brazilian and are talking about Jair Bolsonaro? Yep, I've heard a lot of negative stuff about him from here in the United States. Then again, there's no way I would've supported Donald Trump here nohow, and unfortunately many of the same factors that propelled Trump's election victory here in the US in 2016 are what prompted Brexit in the United Kingdom that same year.
SensaiGallade
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You forgot to mention she won the vote of no confidence. I'm not sure what happens now but I'm just sick of hearing about it and want it over and done with.
nintendofan85
Good grief.
That's because I wasn't aware of that when I posted this thread. Yes, she won, although very narrowly (a margin of nineteen votes).
@nintendofan85:
Yeah, it is Jair Bolsonaro. And now that senpai noticed him I'm sure he is pretty happy.
But anyhow, now that May won the vote of non-confidence she is immune to any more attempts coming from her own party for one year. idk if the other parties can do anything, but I recall that even if they manage to call for elections her party is automatically stuck with her.
I've always thought how illogical it was to even propose the Brexit. The United Kingdom had all sorts of demands and request when joining the EU and had a very sweet deal as far I know it: they were the only country to keep their own currency; and they still fully control their borders so to get in you need to go through customs, even if you already did everything in some other country or is part of the EU. I'm pretty sure there's more to it, but this is what I personally experienced as a tourist. btw even if you got through the customs and got your passport stamped somewhere else in Europe and it is still valid, the UK could still turn you back, I saw this almost happen with his lady traveling with our group and she had an anxiety attack.
I'm wondering how are you guys doing in there, not only in England but Scotland and Ireland. The international news down here is showing a lot of protests, both pro and against the Brexit.
Yeah, it is Jair Bolsonaro. And now that senpai noticed him I'm sure he is pretty happy.
But anyhow, now that May won the vote of non-confidence she is immune to any more attempts coming from her own party for one year. idk if the other parties can do anything, but I recall that even if they manage to call for elections her party is automatically stuck with her.
I've always thought how illogical it was to even propose the Brexit. The United Kingdom had all sorts of demands and request when joining the EU and had a very sweet deal as far I know it: they were the only country to keep their own currency; and they still fully control their borders so to get in you need to go through customs, even if you already did everything in some other country or is part of the EU. I'm pretty sure there's more to it, but this is what I personally experienced as a tourist. btw even if you got through the customs and got your passport stamped somewhere else in Europe and it is still valid, the UK could still turn you back, I saw this almost happen with his lady traveling with our group and she had an anxiety attack.
I'm wondering how are you guys doing in there, not only in England but Scotland and Ireland. The international news down here is showing a lot of protests, both pro and against the Brexit.
Reginald Fairfield
Senior Member
The Count Dankula thing comes to mind. I do not live over there.
RedTropicalPeachyFish
GMT+9
It's very nice to hear views from different sides. Thank you very much for sharing info.
However.
True, in various regions.
This has been on going in my country too these past decades, though, smaller scope compared to the situation in Europe maybe? I personally know some people from other countries, living in Japan to work and afford their family. I can't really say it's hypocrite. Dunno how it is over there, but over here it is true that they're threat to some people since they tend to be being a good worker compared to native people despite small wage/undesired job. Though Sinmenon says it shouldn't be a big concern as those jobs are undesired job to most people, as a fact I know to those who are in dire need of job, those people from other countries are enough to make them concerned. It's severe problem to those who suffer for poverty, so it's not not understandable it could cause annoyance or grudge. The thing is, percentage I guess. Over here, it isn't getting to be a big problem due to 2 factors so far as I saw :
One, their percentage in whole population is comparatively low, like 20% of people who are employed. ( Though, it's been increasing these past 10 years. In 2008 it was like 460,000 then now there are nearly 1,280,000 people from abroad to get job. )
And two, personality/virtue of Japanese in general.
I wonder actually how many percentage of immigrants are occupying the job market in the UK.
Not very sure what you exactly mean, while I feel like I vaguely see what you mean.
However.
True, in various regions.
This has been on going in my country too these past decades, though, smaller scope compared to the situation in Europe maybe? I personally know some people from other countries, living in Japan to work and afford their family. I can't really say it's hypocrite. Dunno how it is over there, but over here it is true that they're threat to some people since they tend to be being a good worker compared to native people despite small wage/undesired job. Though Sinmenon says it shouldn't be a big concern as those jobs are undesired job to most people, as a fact I know to those who are in dire need of job, those people from other countries are enough to make them concerned. It's severe problem to those who suffer for poverty, so it's not not understandable it could cause annoyance or grudge. The thing is, percentage I guess. Over here, it isn't getting to be a big problem due to 2 factors so far as I saw :
One, their percentage in whole population is comparatively low, like 20% of people who are employed. ( Though, it's been increasing these past 10 years. In 2008 it was like 460,000 then now there are nearly 1,280,000 people from abroad to get job. )
And two, personality/virtue of Japanese in general.
I wonder actually how many percentage of immigrants are occupying the job market in the UK.
But... isn't it conflicting? The government has big concern that they'd lose interest by foreign big companies like Hitachi, worrying the decline of economy, so they're insisting to stay in EU? No??
Haha right. It's our culture. We Japanese tend to say England, not United Kingdom. Same goes to America, not the United States of America. Either way I wasn't (am not) sure the political situation between Ireland and England. I only know there's been The Trouble between those regions, I'm such a child in worldly affairs.
Yeah. This is exactly why I wanted opinions from people who actually live in this country. Well, mogyay gave me some hints for better understanding.
Yo.
Not very sure what you exactly mean, while I feel like I vaguely see what you mean.
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I think Reginald Fairfield meant Count Dracula.
I'm no specialist in English literature, but I love this novel. This book is from what they call invasion literature. It is a genre famous for outrageous tales arousing the imagination and anxieties about hypothetical invasions by foreigners, threatening good and honest people's way of life, corrupting their wives with their exotic and innaproprite allure, and in most case being worshippers of the devil or enemies of God.
It was a thing in the 1870-ish until WW1, and sadly it is still going today I'm afraid.
I'm no specialist in English literature, but I love this novel. This book is from what they call invasion literature. It is a genre famous for outrageous tales arousing the imagination and anxieties about hypothetical invasions by foreigners, threatening good and honest people's way of life, corrupting their wives with their exotic and innaproprite allure, and in most case being worshippers of the devil or enemies of God.
It was a thing in the 1870-ish until WW1, and sadly it is still going today I'm afraid.
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Reginald Fairfield
Senior Member
Nope. Been watching British comedians and Jonathan Pie popped up. Language warning I guess.It's very nice to hear views from different sides. Thank you very much for sharing info.
However.
True, in various regions.
This has been on going in my country too these past decades, though, smaller scope compared to the situation in Europe maybe? I personally know some people from other countries, living in Japan to work and afford their family. I can't really say it's hypocrite. Dunno how it is over there, but over here it is true that they're threat to some people since they tend to be being a good worker compared to native people despite small wage/undesired job. Though Sinmenon says it shouldn't be a big concern as those jobs are undesired job to most people, as a fact I know to those who are in dire need of job, those people from other countries are enough to make them concerned. It's severe problem to those who suffer for poverty, so it's not not understandable it could cause annoyance or grudge. The thing is, percentage I guess. Over here, it isn't getting to be a big problem due to 2 factors so far as I saw :
One, their percentage in whole population is comparatively low, like 20% of people who are employed. ( Though, it's been increasing these past 10 years. In 2008 it was like 460,000 then now there are nearly 1,280,000 people from abroad to get job. )
And two, personality/virtue of Japanese in general.
I wonder actually how many percentage of immigrants are occupying the job market in the UK.
But... isn't it conflicting? The government has big concern that they'd lose interest by foreign big companies like Hitachi, worrying the decline of economy, so they're insisting to stay in EU? No??
Haha right. It's our culture. We Japanese tend to say England, not United Kingdom. Same goes to America, not the United States of America. Either way I wasn't (am not) sure the political situation between Ireland and England. I only know there's been The Trouble between those regions, I'm such a child in worldly affairs.
Yeah. This is exactly why I wanted opinions from people who actually live in this country. Well, mogyay gave me some hints for better understanding.
Yo.
RedTropicalPeachyFish
GMT+9
Nahhhhh xD That poor little pug. I knew you must've been talking bout that pug and guy. Don't make me laugh. Though, still not very exactly sure what you meant by that file here.
