Why Google wants to hear your voice and Facebook wants all your pictures

It's pretty obvious to see we are criticizing the business practice not the software and technology it runs on but if you want to install your false narrative out of thin air, go ahead lol.

Half the OP's video talked about using the data they store for technological advancements. With AI marketing and such or China military use. This is what I am referring to when I mention software or technology.

Frankly, nobody outside your family & friends cares about your personal life. As KeatAlex mentioned earlier, there's so many people that it be insane to think you're special some how. The question isn't really that strange, it's pretty straight forward, they're using your information to help make software and technological advancements in the hopes of making your life easier. It's not some evil scheme that you'd see in a movie
 
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Half the OP's video talked about using the data they store for technological advancements. With AI marketing and such or China military use. This is what I am referring to when I mention software or technology.

Frankly, nobody outside your family & friends cares about your personal life. As KeatAlex mentioned earlier, there's so many people that it be insane to think you're special some how. The question isn't really that strange, it's pretty straight forward, they're using your information to help make software and technological advancements in the hopes of making your life easier. It's not some evil scheme that you'd see in a movie

Like I already answered. No one single person is valuable to these companies but a large amount of these “one single person’s” is quite the asset to advertisers and data collectors.
Facebook, a google owned company, has evidence of using political persuasion, emotional response marking tactics (For example: they decipher the users political stance through data, show them the opposite party’s advert to get them to stay on longer even if it’s just to flame the other side) and selling anyone who has enough money the space on our screens to spread whatever information, true or false, that they want to spread. That doesn’t seem like making someone’s life easier. Unless you like being told what to think?
The point we are making is that the whole system operates in the darkness of proprietary data and algorithmic processes at internet companies like Google and Facebook.
 
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No we are not in a movie
But you'd be naive to think that all technological advancements are to benefit the average person.

For example, look at the new clearview ai that uses photos from sites like facebook, instagram, and Twitter to put you into a image database. Whoever uses it can simply take a picture of you and know your name and some basic information due to what you have posted online. You did not personally consent to having your images taken and analyzed for this purpose but because it's on the internet... it's in their database. This includes your name and other personal information.

The ai is marketed as a way to help law enforcement find criminals (it is a much larger database than what they previously used) however recently it's been reported that the creators and their friends/family/investors(i.e. other random rich people) would use it just to use it. For reference, Ashton Kutcher has mentioned having a VERY similar app describing it as "terrifying" but did not disclose its name. (He actively works against child trafficking however so this is probably why he has it) large chain retail stores also apparently have this.

This being said you can not be positive who has access to this information and imo it's scary. As long as someone invests a ton of money they could essentially get this app and know who you are, possibly the area you live, where you work, etc.

Not to mention the risk it holds if there were a civil war or any other problem within the country. Those with access could find out your political or religious views in an instant. Imagine this existing during the holocaust; many people would not have gotten away.

Personally I fear the effects it will have on immigrants if this information is later tied to more legal documentation.
 
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No we are not in a movie
But you'd be naive to think that all technological advancements are to benefit the average person.

For example, look at the new clearview ai that uses photos from sites like facebook, instagram, and Twitter to put you into a image database. Whoever uses it can simply take a picture of you and know your name and some basic information due to what you have posted online. You did not personally consent to having your images taken and analyzed for this purpose but because it's on the internet... it's in their database. This includes your name and other personal information.

The ai is marketed as a way to help law enforcement find criminals (it is a much larger database than what they previously used) however recently it's been reported that the creators and their friends/family/investors(i.e. other random rich people) would use it just to use it. For reference, Ashton Kutcher has mentioned having a VERY similar app describing it as "terrifying" but did not disclose its name. (He actively works against child trafficking however so this is probably why he has it) large chain retail stores also apparently have this.

This being said you can not be positive who has access to this information and imo it's scary. As long as someone invests a ton of money they could essentially get this app and know who you are, possibly the area you live, where you work, etc.

Not to mention the risk it holds if there were a civil war or any other problem within the country. Those with access could find out your political or religious views in an instant. Imagine this existing during the holocaust; many people would not have gotten away.

Personally I fear the effects it will have on immigrants if this information is later tied to more legal documentation.

Well said. The lack of transparency is vindictive of a larger issue, the disregard of humans for financial and proprietary gain.
The value is in the numbers of people that they can reach and the more information they have on you, the easier it is to control what you talk about, where you go, what you watch and what you buy.
These companies hold such a condensed source of power, they have influenced world events just by sheer media manipulation.. IE Cambridge Atlantica.

Ashton does great work. I love Thorn and the awareness he’s been bringing to human trafficking.
 
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This post will be pretty dark so if you just want to have a nice time on an Animal Crossing forum you may not wanna read it!! c: There is nothing "bad" in it per se but it's about realistic, less fun to think about topics! You have been warned! :p

Frankly, nobody outside your family & friends cares about your personal life.
Maybe right now. But databases, technologies and algorithms are being built and what we have to be careful and conscious about is what practical effects they have right now and how they could be potentially used in the future.

Imagine someone hates "prominent person X" and has access to their data and the way "the online experience" shows up to them ( = algorithms for social media feeds, searches, displayed advertisement, ...).

Now imagine "prominent person X" is a group of people, this group has been defined by some characteristic of them that has been analyzed (for example political belief).

Look at China today. Instead of just a company that's trying to maximise profit and engagement with the platform, an authoritarian government decides what - not a person or a group - but EVERYONE in China gets to see or not see.

With all these technologies developing, how do we make sure that it isn't used in a bad way? Like for example in China? And even if they aren't used as heavily or as restrainingly as in China, if it is easy to bypass whatever filtering we are talking about...

Because this filtering is already happening in the west! What is already happening is that echo chambers and social bubbles are being created with ways of interaction that have never existed before. Of course social bubbles have always existed, but just think about how differently people interact online versus in real life. Now, of course this is not only done through personalized advertisement but also (especially) through how social media feeds work (the algorithms that decide what you should see and when - and of course you also filter yourself by deciding who you follow in the first place).

These echo chambers create limited world views that are in a large part controlled by algorithms run by corporations. These algorithms are absolutely not transparent and they aim to show you stuff that is as engaging to you as possible. The days where platforms like Twitter and Facebook let you see the stuff from (at least!) your friends that you might have disagreed with are long gone. You already have to actively search for the stuff that they "don't want to show you". It's not just social media: for example Youtube is also hiding "controversial" videos, this even includes videos about the Corona virus for example. So all these websites will just show you more and more of the stuff which you like and engage with.

What I think that this ultimately leads to is nothing other than radicalized tribalism. You can easily see the effects online and in the real world. Through the way these algorithms work, people are basically fed the same narrative over and over again and this leads to the illusory truth effect which basically means that if you hear something often enough you start believing it. And don't you dare to think that you are immune to that, no matter what your beliefs are. I'm not claiming to be immune to it either.

Twitter perfectly illustrates how these basically tribalized groups interact with each other. They basically play an appalling game of identity politics. They don't consider opposing viewpoints at all, they don't listen to logical arguments as they don't want their belief systems challenged (who does, it's your understanding of the world); they will be very quick to demonize "the other group". They will draw multiple conclusions from one statement (that may or may not be taken out of a complex context) and use any measure "win" the argument because that's literally the only thing that matters to them. This is happening daily and as this act is (re)played often enough, it will become the norm. Kids will grow up seeing this, learning/thinking that this is how discussions work.

So this tribalism that is facilitated leads to a fight of identities and what happens when this ecalates enough, for long enough... we are not so far yet, but if this keeps getting worse... well... you can see what happens when the people on the "right" "win" when you look at Germany in the 20th century, and you can see what happens when people on the "left" "win" when you look at Russia in the 20th century.

And once it gets so far, no matter who "wins" - don't you dare to think that you will be happy if "your group" wins. Because as if what this technology is causing right now wasn't bad enough, it is at that point when all the surveillance technology will be implemented (in ways you really don't want to imagine) to make sure you are acting "the right way".
Don't kid yourselves, the databases and technologies will be there.

So yeah, I don't mind getting "better advertisement" at the moment. I do not think that Google of Facebook are inherently evil, at all! But what they are building up, I see great potential in it to be used in a bad way (again, look at China, you can't argue against that). And I see that the current implementation of this technology will bring us closer to a point where it is abused. This is what you could argue against, and if you do, I truly hope that you are right. But I also hope that you recognize my point.

I see very little potential in this technology in making the world better, but I see a lot of potential in it being harmful.

Of course a single person who refuses to use Google who won't change anything. That's why these technologies need to be discussed and public awareness needs to be raised. Just as I'm trying to do right now. Even if we keep using those little surveillance boxes called smart phones, at least we can show some resistance by not letting these companies and systems take control of our homes. We need to find ways of dealing with this and prevent the situation from escalating. We probably need legislation to keep these companies and technologies in check. It is an incredibly complex issue, and I don't think that it's right to brush this off with "chill, they don't care about you". This is about so much more than just you and me.
 
This post will be pretty dark so if you just want to have a nice time on an Animal Crossing forum you may not wanna read it!! c: There is nothing "bad" in it per se but it's about realistic, less fun to think about topics! You have been warned! :p


Maybe right now. But databases, technologies and algorithms are being built and what we have to be careful and conscious about is what practical effects they have right now and how they could be potentially used in the future.

Imagine someone hates "prominent person X" and has access to their data and the way "the online experience" shows up to them ( = algorithms for social media feeds, searches, displayed advertisement, ...).

Now imagine "prominent person X" is a group of people, this group has been defined by some characteristic of them that has been analyzed (for example political belief).

Look at China today. Instead of just a company that's trying to maximise profit and engagement with the platform, an authoritarian government decides what - not a person or a group - but EVERYONE in China gets to see or not see.

With all these technologies developing, how do we make sure that it isn't used in a bad way? Like for example in China? And even if they aren't used as heavily or as restrainingly as in China, if it is easy to bypass whatever filtering we are talking about...

Because this filtering is already happening in the west! What is already happening is that echo chambers and social bubbles are being created with ways of interaction that have never existed before. Of course social bubbles have always existed, but just think about how differently people interact online versus in real life. Now, of course this is not only done through personalized advertisement but also (especially) through how social media feeds work (the algorithms that decide what you should see and when - and of course you also filter yourself by deciding who you follow in the first place).

These echo chambers create limited world views that are in a large part controlled by algorithms run by corporations. These algorithms are absolutely not transparent and they aim to show you stuff that is as engaging to you as possible. The days where platforms like Twitter and Facebook let you see the stuff from (at least!) your friends that you might have disagreed with are long gone. You already have to actively search for the stuff that they "don't want to show you". It's not just social media: for example Youtube is also hiding "controversial" videos, this even includes videos about the Corona virus for example. So all these websites will just show you more and more of the stuff which you like and engage with.

What I think that this ultimately leads to is nothing other than radicalized tribalism. You can easily see the effects online and in the real world. Through the way these algorithms work, people are basically fed the same narrative over and over again and this leads to the illusory truth effect which basically means that if you hear something often enough you start believing it. And don't you dare to think that you are immune to that, no matter what your beliefs are. I'm not claiming to be immune to it either.

Twitter perfectly illustrates how these basically tribalized groups interact with each other. They basically play an appalling game of identity politics. They don't consider opposing viewpoints at all, they don't listen to logical arguments as they don't want their belief systems challenged (who does, it's your understanding of the world); they will be very quick to demonize "the other group". They will draw multiple conclusions from one statement (that may or may not be taken out of a complex context) and use any measure "win" the argument because that's literally the only thing that matters to them. This is happening daily and as this act is (re)played often enough, it will become the norm. Kids will grow up seeing this, learning/thinking that this is how discussions work.

So this tribalism that is facilitated leads to a fight of identities and what happens when this ecalates enough, for long enough... we are not so far yet, but if this keeps getting worse... well... you can see what happens when the people on the "right" "win" when you look at Germany in the 20th century, and you can see what happens when people on the "left" "win" when you look at Russia in the 20th century.

And once it gets so far, no matter who "wins" - don't you dare to think that you will be happy if "your group" wins. Because as if what this technology is causing right now wasn't bad enough, it is at that point when all the surveillance technology will be implemented (in ways you really don't want to imagine) to make sure you are acting "the right way".
Don't kid yourselves, the databases and technologies will be there.

So yeah, I don't mind getting "better advertisement" at the moment. I do not think that Google of Facebook are inherently evil, at all! But what they are building up, I see great potential in it to be used in a bad way (again, look at China, you can't argue against that). And I see that the current implementation of this technology will bring us closer to a point where it is abused. This is what you could argue against, and if you do, I truly hope that you are right. But I also hope that you recognize my point.

I see very little potential in this technology in making the world better, but I see a lot of potential in it being harmful.

Of course a single person who refuses to use Google who won't change anything. That's why these technologies need to be discussed and public awareness needs to be raised. Just as I'm trying to do right now. Even if we keep using those little surveillance boxes called smart phones, at least we can show some resistance by not letting these companies and systems take control of our homes. We need to find ways of dealing with this and prevent the situation from escalating. We probably need legislation to keep these companies and technologies in check. It is an incredibly complex issue, and I don't think that it's right to brush this off with "chill, they don't care about you". This is about so much more than just you and me.

You popped off with this one. I agree full heartedly. While some countries censor the internet to keep traditional values intact or to keep political stability ( which are both still grossly unjustified ) the countries that censor for national security are especially sinister.
The government in countries like China and North Korea maintains a strict authoritarian control over all media. Instead of liberation of these countries we are rather seeing censorship make its way into the west with the repeal of Net Neutrality.
Of course this is not comparable to the oppression other countries are facing but the point is we aren’t moving in the right direction.

Also how many bells did you make from that long post gosh dang.
 
I'm going to bump this thread because I have found new content that should - I truly believe - be discussed and experienced by as many people as possible.

Joe Rogan had an absolutely FANTASTIC discussion with Tristan Harris about how social media is changing (and polarising) societies around the world. How the algorithms lead people to stumble upon and buy into crazy conspiracy theories like "flat earth" and why echo chambers have truly been amplified even more than you might think.

Even though I was aware of these issues before listening to this interview, it truly opened my eyes to the sheer, worldwide scope of the social change that has been caused - and the mechanisms and motivations (spoiler: money💰) behind it. Some of the stuff that's discussed during this interview felt like a key to finally understand what's really happening with/on/because of social media.

I can only urge you to listen to it. Do yourself a favour and listen to it...! And maybe share, just as I'm doing right now! You can listen to the discussion right here on YouTube or you can search it up on Spotify (btw. there are no ad breaks on Spotify - even without Spotify premium - and you can listen to it while having your phone locked so personally I prefer that).

 
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This is a topic that goes down a very deep rabbit hole if you have the time do legit research, so I'll just say this:
Without data, A.I. cannot learn or function. The more data you feed it, the "better" said A.I. will work. Particular social media like Facebook has already admitted in the past to doing psychological "experiments" on their users (I am going to site this article HERE if you care to fact check me there are other reports of this, among other things). This is just my opinion based upon what I have learned and experienced. This is about money for many corporations, yes, but think much bigger.

edit: @Flyffel, thank you for posting that Joe Rogan interview as I think that this Tristan Harris has a lot of interesting things to say.
 
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Thank you for the book recommendation. I have audible credits and have been looking for long audiobooks to listen to while I play AC. This specific book you mentioned sounds incredibly interesting and it’s 24 hours long and I’m excited! I always feel ripped off when an audiobook is only 5-6 hours long lol.
 
>Facebook and google are surveillance capitalism

>water is wet
 
I stopped using Google after experiencing adds for used hearses after researching about a funeral for a family member. This was beyond traumatizing for me. Now, I only use google as a calculator or for news updates and the rest is done on browsers like DuckDuckGo, or even Bing sometimes as Bing seems to be less... addy if that’s a word.
 
Just read through this thread

Like yeah we probably are all being watched? But like did you make this stuff? Did you spends years getting together all this technology? No you/we are essentially just users, if you don't like it, don't use it and make something better. Your turning a blind eye to all the benefits and amazing possibilities new technology holds.

I think its good we're being monitored, I have no clue on stats but I bet there's l o a d s of criminal & terrorist incidents that have been stopped because of the fact we're being monitered and watched online. They just never reach the media since making people overly paranoid works a lot better.
 
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