Would anyone in their right mind buy this? + critique, please!
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I haven't actually done a piece yet...I'm still struggling with my tablet ;-;
Also, thanks again everyone!
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These are pretty cute! I'd definitely commission one!
Like a few others have said, your art could be improved by improving on anatomy. But I have no idea how you could improve at that, because I'm TERRIBLE at it. Like omg I can't even draw people facing sideways ;-;
Like a few others have said, your art could be improved by improving on anatomy. But I have no idea how you could improve at that, because I'm TERRIBLE at it. Like omg I can't even draw people facing sideways ;-;
may i ask what type of drawing pad you use and what art program? there should be a stabilizer available in both programs to help with the shaky art. id say the last drawing is the best over the others because it has a more 'appealing' variety of colors used in the shading and everything. just some advice;
- never shade using gray/black. you can if you want, but its just not the best choice. use a darker shade of your base color instead, it looks better. the only acceptation for using black with shading is if your base color is black/gray
- avoid using white for lighting. this isnt as strict as a case compared to shading bc white still looks good either way, but sometimes its a bit too much, if you get what i mean. theres a difference between lighting on things like plastic or laminated paper and lighting on hair/clothes. white is fine for plastic-y things in my opinion because the lighting is more harsh, but its soft on hair so ah..im not really sure how to explain this, but pick your base color and put it right between white and that color. make it bright but not too bright to the point where you cant see the color itself. of course, lighting can be very flexible and look good depending on how the artist draws it out - this is just how i do it
- for the last drawing, i recommend curving the shadow under her neck inwards a little more
- i suggest working with more layers. what i usually do is a base color > soft shading > soft yet rougher shading > shading with no blurring, if that makes sense - then shadow shading and lighting would go on top of that
- never shade using gray/black. you can if you want, but its just not the best choice. use a darker shade of your base color instead, it looks better. the only acceptation for using black with shading is if your base color is black/gray
- avoid using white for lighting. this isnt as strict as a case compared to shading bc white still looks good either way, but sometimes its a bit too much, if you get what i mean. theres a difference between lighting on things like plastic or laminated paper and lighting on hair/clothes. white is fine for plastic-y things in my opinion because the lighting is more harsh, but its soft on hair so ah..im not really sure how to explain this, but pick your base color and put it right between white and that color. make it bright but not too bright to the point where you cant see the color itself. of course, lighting can be very flexible and look good depending on how the artist draws it out - this is just how i do it
- for the last drawing, i recommend curving the shadow under her neck inwards a little more
- i suggest working with more layers. what i usually do is a base color > soft shading > soft yet rougher shading > shading with no blurring, if that makes sense - then shadow shading and lighting would go on top of that
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so, i feel compelled to ask
are you tracing these?
the style disparity shows in all of them. people can certainly have different styles, but these change too much to seem like anything of your own. if anything, it seems more like you're using bases. i'm noting the hair detail and eyes especially. i remember before you also traced ACNL mayors, but you weren't selling them so it wasn't as bad. still not something you should do, though.
now, here's the thing. poses are a bit tricky, if only because there's a limited amount the human body can do, and so we're definitely going to see the same poses a lot. you can use poses as reference, and even copy said pose -- however, you make it your own by drawing it yourself, as in, you look at the pose and try to mimic it to help with anatomy. you still draw in your own style, but you're getting help with that pose. this isn't about the poses, necessarily. it's moreso about the differing eyestyles and levels of detail. while sure, you can be lazier with a picture and it'll be less detailed, this is too precise to be chalked up to laziness. breast shape also seems to change, and i am not referring to size, but actual shape and the way they're drawn.
experimenting and trying to fool around with styles and poses is a good thing. trying to perfect anatomy by using references is also a good thing. you could trace a pose, then try to draw it yourself straight afterwards while looking at what you did before. you form your own understanding of anatomy this way. playing around with styles will also help form your own. this is all well and good, but you cannot sell/profit off of someone else's artwork. tracing and then selling what you've traced is a big no-no. while again, poses are more limited, there are other things you can do to spice it up. even if you leave the pose the same, as long as you've drawn it yourself while looking at your reference, that's a-okay. but please don't try to profit off of fully copying someone else's work. i don't know how nobody else noticed this.
i'm not trying to be mean, and i could absolutely be wrong, and may get some heat for this, but TBT has had its fair share of art thieves and i think it's best to try to tell them that it's not the way to go about things because it will never help them grow as artists. i apologize in advance if i sound too harsh/if i'm wrong.
are you tracing these?
the style disparity shows in all of them. people can certainly have different styles, but these change too much to seem like anything of your own. if anything, it seems more like you're using bases. i'm noting the hair detail and eyes especially. i remember before you also traced ACNL mayors, but you weren't selling them so it wasn't as bad. still not something you should do, though.
now, here's the thing. poses are a bit tricky, if only because there's a limited amount the human body can do, and so we're definitely going to see the same poses a lot. you can use poses as reference, and even copy said pose -- however, you make it your own by drawing it yourself, as in, you look at the pose and try to mimic it to help with anatomy. you still draw in your own style, but you're getting help with that pose. this isn't about the poses, necessarily. it's moreso about the differing eyestyles and levels of detail. while sure, you can be lazier with a picture and it'll be less detailed, this is too precise to be chalked up to laziness. breast shape also seems to change, and i am not referring to size, but actual shape and the way they're drawn.
experimenting and trying to fool around with styles and poses is a good thing. trying to perfect anatomy by using references is also a good thing. you could trace a pose, then try to draw it yourself straight afterwards while looking at what you did before. you form your own understanding of anatomy this way. playing around with styles will also help form your own. this is all well and good, but you cannot sell/profit off of someone else's artwork. tracing and then selling what you've traced is a big no-no. while again, poses are more limited, there are other things you can do to spice it up. even if you leave the pose the same, as long as you've drawn it yourself while looking at your reference, that's a-okay. but please don't try to profit off of fully copying someone else's work. i don't know how nobody else noticed this.
i'm not trying to be mean, and i could absolutely be wrong, and may get some heat for this, but TBT has had its fair share of art thieves and i think it's best to try to tell them that it's not the way to go about things because it will never help them grow as artists. i apologize in advance if i sound too harsh/if i'm wrong.
First of all, good job on your artworks! They're adorable. <3
And just a comment about your lineart-- as mimihime said, they look shaky. Have you ever tried flicking your pen across your tablet? You could make smoother lines with that technique. If you go slow and steady, the lines become slightly jagged and shaky, compared to drawing the lines in one go; you won't get the best line on your first try, but just keep on flicking that pen until your satisfied. c:
I'm not a great artist, but I hope I could help!
And just a comment about your lineart-- as mimihime said, they look shaky. Have you ever tried flicking your pen across your tablet? You could make smoother lines with that technique. If you go slow and steady, the lines become slightly jagged and shaky, compared to drawing the lines in one go; you won't get the best line on your first try, but just keep on flicking that pen until your satisfied. c:
I'm not a great artist, but I hope I could help!
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Woww, thanks for all this! I'm using SketchBook on my iPad so there is no stabiliser ;-;
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Ah no it's fine ^.^
I don't trace them, but I use reference a looot which explains the changing style.
Shirohibiki
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ahhh, okay, my apologies, then. well, no worries, just try to form your own style by taking what you like of everything ^^
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Ah yeah, I can see that you drew one piece following this. Really do be careful about that, because a lot of artists will not tolerate copying poses (even though there's a limit, every artist has a bit of an individual pose style)
Edit: You seem to have a very similar expression too... please be careful and please don't trace/copy!
Edit: You seem to have a very similar expression too... please be careful and please don't trace/copy!
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Shirohibiki
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...wait, for real?
did you really just tell me, to my face, "no i didn't trace," and then someone manages to find the fact that you did indeed trace???? seriously? its not even just the pose, you copied the style and literally everything about that picture, oh my god
well, you clearly care not of the decency of profiting off of someone else's artwork. good to know. im honestly so disappointed
addendum: i see people asking the artist to use that as reference, in which they are replying it's alright. did you ask? not only that, it's mostly irrelevant for these reasons -- 1. references do not mean tracing. they mean looking at something and as i mentioned before, can even mean tracing an outline and then trying to do it yourself, and 2. profiting off of tracing someone's work isn't what they mean when they say it's alright to use a 'reference.'
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Nightmares
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Er.... I didn't trace it...
Shirohibiki
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i'm not sure how you can continue to try to defend yourself when it's been proven you did? tracing means "to draw the outline of (something); especially : to copy (a design or picture) by putting a thin piece of paper that you can see through over it and drawing on top of it" // "to copy (as a drawing) by following the lines or letters as seen through a transparent superimposed sheet"
or in other words, putting the image on one layer and drawing atop it. so, for another example:
yours: http://s989.photobucket.com/user/lc...-23F2B9BBA541_zps42mbh8xc.png.html?sort=3&o=4
original: http://www.wolf-fan.eoldal.hu/img/original/21/whitewolf-masolata-masolata-masolata.jpg
like. i don't know what you call this instead? i'm really not trying to be mean -- i'm trying to tell you you can't pull this crap especially if you're trying to sell it. this IS tracing. you ARE fully coping someone else's artwork. it isn't right.
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Yeah I know, I'm the ****tiest artist here and I need to copy from existing photos.
Copying is not the same as tracing, though...
Copying is not the same as tracing, though...
When you're just duplicating the original image and not crediting the original artist at all it may as well be the same as tracing. If you're still in the stage where you need to follow references exactly it's fine, it just means you need to practice more, but you shouldn't try to sell things you copied as your own work.
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