Mafia Xenoblade Chronicles Mafia-Endgame

Still need to post reads Cory, Tardis, & Hayden, and analyze Dolby's reads and apply them to mine. But I got home too late from work. Also, I realize that Tina and Ares just died but I spent ****ing too long on this to just delete it so I do not even care. I am posting this in its entirety. Disclaimer: It is also quite unedited because half of it was rushed so forgive my non-eloquence.

I will finish this up tonight and I expect responses from people that I am addressing.

I am certain scum is within the Inkling bandwagon. However, I do not think mafia would be so bold as to lead the lynch, so I have a slight town lean on Cadbbury considering they also mentioned Inkling as scummy the previous day. I also do not think that the entire scum team is on Inkling?s bandwagon, because that is very short-sighted.

Inkling (9)
Cadbbury
Mother of all Llamas
Cory
Tardis2016
PandaDarling
Nightmares

*Tina (1)
Ashtot
Cory

Very likely scum:

Mother of all Llamas:
Textbook Grade F bandwagoning, coasted through the game, matching exactly with their mafia meta that posts the minimum requirement as to not be modkilled.

I am going to vote Area based on his scummy behaviour. I have read back and his posts just stick out to me. His RQS he seemed very over confident and I feel like it was more forced. Also to backup would be his backlash on Crys so quickly... Unless something comes up I'll be placing my vote on him

Attempting to justify their bandwagon on Ares. But there were PLENTY of others that had ?confident? answers to the RQS, including even Dolby- so it is blindly apparent they are trying to come up with anything to jump on the easy lynch. Over confident and forced are strange words to put together: if anything, THAT sentence is what feels forced. Considering you have no actual reasoning

Ashtot I'm not really sure of. I've only played the Game Of Thrones mafia with him and I think he was a lot quieter as a power role so I'n definitely thinking he's bad town or mafia. I feel more comfortable with an Inkling lynch maybe.

I an also suspicious of Cadbberry because of her weird posts and voted who she wanted to vote to feel like she could hide in the towb crowd

Tina as well, I can't put my finger on it but something about her isn't just right

I actually laughed at that second line, because it is truly hilarious and beyond hypocritical. You are the one that is trying to blend in with the others, you are the one jumping on bandwagons without your own reasoning. Not once have you formed your own opinions on someone that was not influenced by everyone else that was bandwagoning them. There is no way that town would do this. You also did not even bother to try to explain your opinion on Tina, you are just throwing out random **** and attempting to see what sticks.

Placing my vote on Inkling, will elaborate more or change my vote if I have to

Of course, does neither of those things.

How hard is it for you to buss Dolby?

Top kek.

Tom, would you side with scum just so you could win??

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stuck?? no



Inkling- I have played games where she has been town and mafia. The differences between the two are pretty clear based on reactions and the tone in the way she speaks and the emotional posts she expresses. This time round I'm not really sure, she's more aggressive and I guess willing to share more of her own opinions than just follow town behaviour, which is a nice because she's inputing her own opinion. But I do feel like she could still be 3rd party, maybe mafia but I doubt it, based on meta and stuff.

I hardly even asked to play at first... He just sent me the PM

All I hear is ?baaaaaaaaa"

Yet again, jumping in on one of the bandwagons very late into Day phase, only a few hours before voting ends.

Cadbberry and Jacob sheeping as usual, if anything I am almost sure that one of them is scum. Jacob is perfectly matching his scum meta and does not do anything to contribute except pushing for the easy lynch. Cadbberry is even worse because she is so indecisive about EVERYTHING and follows and sheeps everyone so make her look like she is town.

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If he is actually a Survivor, mafia will keep him alive because TOM can WIN with SCUM.

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS SHEEPING. Literally name one of your votes all game that has not been sheeping others reads? You have not posted in depth reads the entire game. You are the one that is perfectly matching your scum meta, you are the one pushing for the easy lynch by voting Ares on D1. Indecisiveness is not even scummy, in fact usually it indicates not knowing what to do- which is typically actually more town behavior than scum. Scum is known to flip flop, but Cadberry was explaining why throughout each and every one of their votes. You have said nothing but trying to disguise the fact that you are

Tom, would you side with scum just so you could win??

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stuck?? no

And finally, what I believe is one of the scummiest things anyone has said during the entire game: asking third party if they would side with the mafia. I literally tried to figure out what town-sided motivation anyone would ever have to ask this question, and the only answer would be if it was one of their first few games. However, Mother of all Llamas is not new to the game. OF COURSE he would if it met meeting his win condition sooner, that is literally his job in the game and town needs to lynch mafia not him so this question is just an attempt at extending an olive branch to Tom for the future.

There would be no reason to ask this question if you are really town. If you cannot provide actual reasoning why this question felt like it was something important for you to ask, you are almost definitely scum.


Leaning scum:

Tina:
I refrained from reading them in hopes that their post quality would pick up. Let?s just say I am let down.

Hello! :)

Sat at a train station right now and I won't have my laptop until I go home tomorrow. Will plug in my iPad when I get to my folks (impromptu trip when Dad told me he was making pulled pork for dinner lol) and try post something before Day ends.

There is nothing wrong with this exactly, but then they do not contribute before Day ends. Were you setting up your excuse in advance in case there was a mislynch? Oh, but you had time to post a one-liner at night?

Don't they always? :)


Got home last night (so I finally have my laptop now!) but ended up just Skyping with my boyfriend until I fell asleep. I kept up to some degree while away, but I prioritised mod work as I knew most of the staff had IRL plans for yesterday. Going to comb through this thread from the beginning now I'm on a decent device, so unless I get distracted by something shiny expect something from me within a couple of hours.

Why do you feel the need to constantly excuse yourself?

Now onto the shiny part we had all been waiting for. I commend you for your organization and use of color, it almost made me overlook the fact that the majority of your reads have little substance.

Notice how they?re almost entirely scumreads: town reading only four people, scum reading 12, null reading 2. What really is disturbing about these reads is that the most expanded ones are on their TOWNREADS. The longest read in the entire post in on Nightmares, who is their townread. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Basically you are just trying to give us a wall of text so it looks like what you are saying is contributing when in reality, you have given us nothing.


PandaDarling
Crys asked if she were scum again before she was under suspicion. I'm not sure how to take this right now. Was this left intentionally or is it just a joke. I think I'm leaning toward the latter.

Usually she gives off a very strong impression, but not this game. I'm going to have read her filter later.


If you are leaning interpreting something as a joke then why is that grounds to include in your post??
If you didn?t isolate someones post when you are reading them what did you do?


Dolby
I liked this post of his. But overall I'm not sure. He's pretty quiet regardless of alignment. I'm sure we've lynched him way too many times as town in the past 2.5 years for being silent lol.


This is actually comical. What exactly is it that you like about that post? It was awful and even THIRD PARTY admitted it. Dolby tried to jump on the Entropy bandwagon that the lyncher started and gave no sound reasoning for it- you can see above if for some reason you truly believe that Dolby?s push on Entropy was warranted.

Please, do tell.


Mother of all Llamas
I STILL SWEAR THIS PERSON DOESN?T ACTUALLY EXIST. SHE?S A MYTH. LIKE THE LOCH NESS MONSTER. Either way, only two posts and hasn?t even logged on to TBT in two days. So if they have an action it?s not being utilised. Whether for good or bad. Can't say if avoiding or genuinely busy.


This is your one of your only reads that I agree with.

Alexi
Her post here to Aron based on a single post really rubs me the wrong way. It seemed over-dramatic and uncalled for. While my initial reading made me think town, my second is making me think 'this feels forced and unnecessary'. Alexi was scum in that game with Aron for the record.

This post is also bugging me. Nightmares had posted more than Ares at this point!

I'm generally getting an off-vibe from her posts, but I'm not sure how to put that into words right now. I'd have to have another read.

You know, I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you did not realize that Alexi was scum last game while Aronthaer was town.

But then you said ?Based on a single post? ??????
She quoted five posts in that post you linked. Aronthaer was giving several excuses for not posting/ contributing, yet he was posting in other threads. He did not just say that he would and didn?t follow through once, but multiple times.

Only four reads in and this is the second time you have mentioned that you will need to re-read someone. Why not just analyze someone properly in the first place?



Ashtot
Other than just getting this general off tone from his posts, I don't like his level of certainty in this one. It's not "I think" it's phrased as if "this is fact". Just seems like he's trying to get the person who is most likely to catch him out on his side.

Plus, it reminds me Crys very certain post about entropy not being mafia here:
Even so, the fact Crys said he was scum before he died is throwing me through a bit of a loop. Usually I would take this to mean he's town and she's throwing us, but I'm looking at it and thinking well maybe it was a last ditch effort to bus him as at the time the votes were evenly split between like half a dozen people IIRC.
Also, I read the exchange between him and entropy over and I believe she might have been onto something with him.


This is your other read that I agree with.
My only problem with it is that you are saying that like Entropy did not already point it out- do you not know what a pocket is? Because that is what Ashtot was trying to do there.

Taesaek
Not sure how I feel right now.


Inkling
Can't tell if nub or scum. Leaning toward the former slightly.


You realize that if you would have just explained why, I might not be here right now.

Jacob
Unsure. Some of his posts give me a slight town lean, such as this one, as I feel his mindset is very town. But his posts don't really leave me with much of an impression. He's someone I need to look into more.


Nightmares
When people were complaining about her lack of activity D1, it was very early morning GMT. As in 2am-6am. And the game only started at midnight GMT. Her posts after midnight were all regarding the direct we so unkindly timed for around the time the game started, so I'm assuming she stayed up for that and then went to bed. So I don't think anything regarding inactivity on her is valid tbh, even if she was the top poster for the day. They were made before the game started.

What does concern me more is not that Tardis made the initial statement (and I believe he would jump to a conclusion like that D1 without malicious intent) but that Caddberry and Xerolin immediately dogpiled on her. Even a friend who knows she is British and should have been aware she would have been asleep at that hour!

{insert a bunch of quotes here}

As for her silence during N1, looking at her last post in this thread here at 5:17pm GMT and when she stopped posting for the night at 10:18pm GMT. For reference, assuming she didn't check the mafia thread at this time, she wouldn't have read beyond this post here that Ashot conveniently made at the same time. If it had been end of day I would see this as a problem, but as it's end of night I don't think it's anything to be concerned about. I'm more concerned about the people who are following Tardis' lead without looking into this properly themselves. Of the people who did this, taesaek stands out to me least; Xerolin the most.

So I feel Nightmares is leaning-town and is just being portrayed in a bad light by people who are taking Tardis word as fact, or are jumping on his false conclusion, as the facts don't seem to show someone who is avoiding something IMO.


Literally what the hell. This is driving me insane.

WHY THIS THE READ YOU CHOOSE TO EXPAND ON THE MOST? How is this useful from even YOUR OWN perspective? It is not like anyone was trying to even lynch Nightmares at that point???

Please elaborate or I will just continue to draw the conclusion that you tried to fill in your pretty post with lots of text so that you can placate us by justifying yourself because you have given us ?reads".


Ares
While at first I was skeptical about this postl Crys made being an attempt to protect one of them later (if Ares got lynched for inactivity), I believe she just selected a town member she felt would be an easy lynch. New players always are.

He played a few games of Overwatch with my bf and I last night and before he went to bed said he'd just come home from a trip before going straight on the PS4. So I think he's genuinely been busy rather than actively avoiding the thread. However, what has me town-reading him is that I feel like he wouldn't have been so obvious to revenge vote Crys if they were on the same side. If they were aligned together he would have known it wasn't a genuine threat - especially when no one had bandwagoned on it yet. If he hadn't voted Crys then she wouldn't have even been lynched Day 1, as the only other vote on her was from entropy - who Tom had managed to make everyone suspicious of. So I'm leaning town on him.

And, as a side note, I actually agree with Ness & Ares that RQS is dumb. I've never filled one out for that very reason.

Again, expands on her town reads more than her scumreads.

Cory


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The town PMs say the same thing. If you were town, you would have already known that. Which makes me think either you're scum or a killing third party and just didn't think we were aware of this detail of the game too.

Already made a separate post on why this is so wrong.

Tardis2016
See what I said about Nightmares. I'm leaning town on him right now.




Xerolin
See my comments on Nightmares.




Cadbberry
See my comments on Nightmares, along with this quote:



Her determination to get rid of Nightmares bugs the heck out of me. Just feels like she's bandwagoning on Tardis - especially as Nightmares had already begun posting by this point.




Lacking in places I know but I kinda started getting bored after the two hour mark. So I forced another 30 minutes and now I need a break. There are people I want to look more into (those I don't say much about) but break is much needed.

The only justification I can see for why you did not expand on some of your scumreads is because you included it in the Nightmares post, but that makes your post extremely awkward to read and also does not allow your scumreads to properly answer or address what you said.
You know, at least you admit that this is extremely lacking. And naturally, you never expanded on the ones that you said you wanted to look into.

Null:

Ares:
Entirely avoidant of the thread. I can count all their posts on my fingers.

How do you react under pressure? pretty damn well
What role do you want to be? mafia overlord or something
What will you be notable for? winning the game
Pronouns: I don't even care

Significant Other
If I think I can't get out of suspicion without turning my back on him I'd betray
and Crys because ****ty RQS

You can not use the ?Oh I?m so busy!!? excuse because you have posted literally everywhere on the entire rest of the forum. You said you would give us reads and then continue to coast and do nothing.

Lol you're gonna seriously regret lynching me

Why the hell would we when you?ve done nothing all game?

The only reason I voted for crys was because she voted for me

ares is probs scum though.

This is the only reason I have to not suspect you. Because you voted for Crys and your interactions with each other. If you had done this to anyone but mafia, then I would be thinking the opposite.

Consider yourself lucky.
 
Why is it a shock when almost every blue role in the game claimed or softed?

Also, we are all claiming today. We are in LYLO due to the modkill.

I am Miqol, VT.

expected that name to pop up

tardis are you fiora?
 
To those that have not already, please claim your role (not just your rolename)

Mother of all Llamas - Talia VT
Ashtot - Otharon (Veteran)
Jacob - Vangarre
Tom - Tyrea, Lyncher/Survivor
Nightmares - Desiree
Hayden - Kenny
Cory - Juju VT
Xine - Miqol VT
Tardis2016 - ?
Cadbberry - Rozeal VT
 
NO NEED TO PUSH ME SK. I'm the other mason.

Why would you say that he is SK? There are no kills that suggest that being true.

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To anyone that is familiar with Xenoblade, please list which claims you think are most likely to be safeclaims in order from most likely to least likely.

I will try to do some research myself, but the Wiki lists people alphabetically and not in relevant order.
 
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