PandaDarling
Purple People Eater
DOESNT PLAY AC ? thats it he's getting lynched ;-]
Mafia 1984 Mafia: TOWN WINS!
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DOESNT PLAY AC ? thats it he's getting lynched ;-]
EnderWiggin
Senior Member
To be honest, out of the small pool of content I could also vote Kat here. However I want to see Endless' reasoning too.
EnderWiggin
Senior Member
Start with the first post. The one for New Players by KarlaKGB. : >
EnderWiggin
Senior Member
Role actions are activated by PMing the narrator.
My vote was a joke.
Bloo's vote was new and trying to do things.
Endless has reasons.tm
The reason I'm voting Sarasa is because of a pm I sent them, in which I asked them to tell me what their night action was - nothing to do with alignment, just what their night action was. I said I'd tell them my power in return. (I did, but that's less relevant to the current situation.)
Initially, Sarasa refused on the grounds that there "wasn't any reason town would want/need that information". Later, Sarasa sent a second pm declaring that they'd realised that "it could be useful preventing fakeclaims later" and told them their power. While this appears innocuous on the surface, the issue is in the sequence of the actions - Sarasa sent it because their was a reason that it could be useful to town. (For one of the more weird reasons it would be)
You're still probably wondering what's odd about this. So let me put this in a way you'd understand: SarasaKat was more concerned with whether or not there was a town aligned justification for the action than they were concerned about which alignment the information was more useful to.
Town don't care whether there's a town-motivated reason for something, only whether it benefits their win condition or not. Needless to say, this is a vote I'm confidant in.
Initially, Sarasa refused on the grounds that there "wasn't any reason town would want/need that information". Later, Sarasa sent a second pm declaring that they'd realised that "it could be useful preventing fakeclaims later" and told them their power. While this appears innocuous on the surface, the issue is in the sequence of the actions - Sarasa sent it because their was a reason that it could be useful to town. (For one of the more weird reasons it would be)
You're still probably wondering what's odd about this. So let me put this in a way you'd understand: SarasaKat was more concerned with whether or not there was a town aligned justification for the action than they were concerned about which alignment the information was more useful to.
Town don't care whether there's a town-motivated reason for something, only whether it benefits their win condition or not. Needless to say, this is a vote I'm confidant in.
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
If I've gotta be the death fodder for D1, ok.
But I think I know the reason. When Endless PM'd me asking for my power, I was skeptical at first and said I wouldn't give it to him, then I realized we could use it to stop fake claiming and then told him (main reason was that I wanted to hear his powers tbh, and that was the counter proposal). That could've taken as a suspicious action since I was being indecisive?
Quite frankly, the question in the first place is kinda suspicious. Besides fake claiming prevention, I feel like its main use is night related. The only two night action reasons that made sense to me is if he were:
A: A Watcher. Not sure if you guys have played with one before, but they sit outside someone's house and see who visited them that night. Reason they'd want to know powers is so they could verify who they visited and what they did.
B: A mafian trying to organize who's important to kill.
If his motivation for asking such a question was night actions, then these are the two options I see. And I can tell you right now that he didn't say he was a Watcher. So this leads me to think he could be maf.
As for the potential for trying to prevent fakeclaims, that is helpful but it comes with a double edged sword - it prevents town from making fake claims as well (which can be useful for reaction testing). I would think that Endless would have taken this into consideration.
There's also a possibility that he tried to word the question in such a way that scum could slip and tell him that they kill, but I feel like that's trying to play for Scholars Mate in chess. Even though it's a quick checkmate, most good players never use it because it can easily be blocked and leaves them in a worse position afterwards. And I don't think Endless would try a cheap tactic like that.
"Why'd you go along with it then if you think it was so suspicious omfg"
I felt that knowing his answer would be essential in either furthering my suspicion or taking the edge off of it. I would have voiced something about this sooner, but I was gone all of yesterday with a friend.
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Dat ninja tho.
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Lol Endless, I was trying to pinpoint YOUR motovation, and see if it alligned with a town perspective or a mafian perspective. I think you got my motove wrong.
Speaking of which, what was your motivation for sending that?
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motive*
But I think I know the reason. When Endless PM'd me asking for my power, I was skeptical at first and said I wouldn't give it to him, then I realized we could use it to stop fake claiming and then told him (main reason was that I wanted to hear his powers tbh, and that was the counter proposal). That could've taken as a suspicious action since I was being indecisive?
Quite frankly, the question in the first place is kinda suspicious. Besides fake claiming prevention, I feel like its main use is night related. The only two night action reasons that made sense to me is if he were:
A: A Watcher. Not sure if you guys have played with one before, but they sit outside someone's house and see who visited them that night. Reason they'd want to know powers is so they could verify who they visited and what they did.
B: A mafian trying to organize who's important to kill.
If his motivation for asking such a question was night actions, then these are the two options I see. And I can tell you right now that he didn't say he was a Watcher. So this leads me to think he could be maf.
As for the potential for trying to prevent fakeclaims, that is helpful but it comes with a double edged sword - it prevents town from making fake claims as well (which can be useful for reaction testing). I would think that Endless would have taken this into consideration.
There's also a possibility that he tried to word the question in such a way that scum could slip and tell him that they kill, but I feel like that's trying to play for Scholars Mate in chess. Even though it's a quick checkmate, most good players never use it because it can easily be blocked and leaves them in a worse position afterwards. And I don't think Endless would try a cheap tactic like that.
"Why'd you go along with it then if you think it was so suspicious omfg"
I felt that knowing his answer would be essential in either furthering my suspicion or taking the edge off of it. I would have voiced something about this sooner, but I was gone all of yesterday with a friend.
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Dat ninja tho.
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Lol Endless, I was trying to pinpoint YOUR motovation, and see if it alligned with a town perspective or a mafian perspective. I think you got my motove wrong.
Speaking of which, what was your motivation for sending that?
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motive*
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
Even that wording is bull****, now that I'm looking at it. I get what you're trying to say, but where's your trail of logic?Endless said:
Point A: Kat says that she's willing to give her powers b/c Endless could be using it to stop fakeclaiming
1) Who the hell knows
Point B: Kat is trying to see if her action looks like a townie thing to do rather than it actually being pro-town.
Can someone tell me how he got from point A to point B?
My best shot af of now:
Point A
Kat is therefore trying to see if what Endless is doing is pro-town
(Something??)
Point B
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Remind me to not make posts on my phone when I've got my laptop in the next room over lmao
*as
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TL;DR any of my last two posts:
- Endless' question had little motivation in the first place if it was a town alligned motive, so this points to him being mafia
- Endless' suspicion of me lies in faulty logic
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
This is a closed set-up, so we don't know the roles for sure this time around, but common ones include:
Cop/Sherrif: Inspect one person per night and see if they're town alligned or mafian alligned
Doctor: Chooses one person per night. If they get attacked, they do not die.
Veteran: Has two night lives (DIFFERENT FROM TOS, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO PLAY IT!)
Vig/1-shot vig: Shoots someone at night (if one shot, they can only do this once)
Roleblocker: Prevents someone from taking action for one night
Godfather: Mafian who looks town-alligned to Cop
More uncommon:
Jack of All Trades (JoAT): Has a one shot heal, shot, and inspect.
(More to be added as people think of them)
Cop/Sherrif: Inspect one person per night and see if they're town alligned or mafian alligned
Doctor: Chooses one person per night. If they get attacked, they do not die.
Veteran: Has two night lives (DIFFERENT FROM TOS, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO PLAY IT!)
Vig/1-shot vig: Shoots someone at night (if one shot, they can only do this once)
Roleblocker: Prevents someone from taking action for one night
Godfather: Mafian who looks town-alligned to Cop
More uncommon:
Jack of All Trades (JoAT): Has a one shot heal, shot, and inspect.
(More to be added as people think of them)
I may have been wrong on SarasaKat, I kinda like those posts they just made. Ftr the logic was that you were willing to give me your night action because you could see a reason for town asking it, despite initially saying that you were holding off because you couldn't see a town reason for it. The full explanation makes a lot more sense than you just going for it because of the fact that it can be used to prevent later fake claims. (Which if you clung to I'd be brutally pushing the wagon.)
Trojan is solid town from his content.
I'm going to leave my vote there for now because I haven't a better place to place it but I'll be up before deadline so it'll almost definitely change.
As for why I sent that pm? Because it's an absurd request. Mafia will sometimes overcompensate to attempt to appear the correct level of either confused, passive or outraged. Dad did as such day 1 of sins mafia when I pmed him claiming vig that wanted to know his reads in case he was town.(with complete intent to shoot him.)
Trojan is solid town from his content.
I'm going to leave my vote there for now because I haven't a better place to place it but I'll be up before deadline so it'll almost definitely change.
As for why I sent that pm? Because it's an absurd request. Mafia will sometimes overcompensate to attempt to appear the correct level of either confused, passive or outraged. Dad did as such day 1 of sins mafia when I pmed him claiming vig that wanted to know his reads in case he was town.(with complete intent to shoot him.)
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
Oh, and Townie: No power other than their vote/voice.
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Hmm, so it was mainly because I went back on my decision for seemingly little reason? I can see that. That's a crime of being wishy-washy though - I'm still not seeing the whole "Im trying to look town rather than actually being town" thing. The reasoning of the PM being a reaction test makes a lot of sense, too. I'll unvote for now.
@Everyone else What was your thoughts on the exchange that just occured?
@Daniel Right now, we're in the day phase - which is where we try to pinpoint suspicious actions (by suspicious, I mean actions that hinder town winning in some way, be that through stifling conversation or doing something that'd help the mafia), and vote them out of the game.
I'm gonna go get Karla's explaination.
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Hmm, so it was mainly because I went back on my decision for seemingly little reason? I can see that. That's a crime of being wishy-washy though - I'm still not seeing the whole "Im trying to look town rather than actually being town" thing. The reasoning of the PM being a reaction test makes a lot of sense, too. I'll unvote for now.
@Everyone else What was your thoughts on the exchange that just occured?
@Daniel Right now, we're in the day phase - which is where we try to pinpoint suspicious actions (by suspicious, I mean actions that hinder town winning in some way, be that through stifling conversation or doing something that'd help the mafia), and vote them out of the game.
I'm gonna go get Karla's explaination.
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