Mafia A Game of Mafia - Endgame - Mafia wins!

[f11]

Yo I guess this is my check in I'll start reading the thread now even tho I already know what's going on.

 

[Nightmares]

Yo I guess this is my check in I'll start reading the thread now even tho I already know what's going on.

Oh hey, you replacement?

 

[f11]

Ya and Liam is scum.

 

[Curry]

Crys, hi fam.

 

[Fleshy]

Wait how is Fleshy saying we're town, making us come across as scummy

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FleshyBro: Gahh well...At first I felt quite confident that they were town; they were posting a lot of detailed and helpful posts, and I agreed with what they were saying for the most part. They were sus of Tardis, and talked about his lynch on me, like I did). Thing is, not so sure after Tardis claimed, and Fleshy kept their vote on him. I had to go to bed like right when Tardis claimed, so I can understand a bit more from my point of view, but I know Fleshy was up to like 2:30am (GMT) or something, giving them a lot more time to consider Tardis' claim and stuff. But still, I felt sus of Tardis even after I woke up, so I'd feel bad acting like a bit of a hypocrite, and saying they're scummy because of this mislynch. I'll have a look at their posts a bit more...

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OOPS NO DIDN'T MEAN TO POST THAT
I HADN'T CHECKED IT YET RIP

I know you didn't mean to post this yet but I'll comment anyway. I did have a while but by the time I'd actually seen and realised Tardis' claim I didn't have too much time, it was around 1:50am (GMT) when I realised I'd messed up and had to change my vote, but I was unsure weather I wanted to vote Liam, Curry or Discord. If I didn't it would have been no lynch, and people were commenting negatively on that earlier, so no lynch wasn't an option in my mind at the time. Again, looking back on it now i can see how I messed up big time, I should have just removed my vote from him and let it be a NL.

I understand why that makes me seem scummy, as I said, I'd be scumreading someone 100% for making that mistake, but it was just that; a bad mistake. So I understand being read as scum for that, but I still don't see how me reading Night & Seroja as town makes me scum.

& hi crys

 

[piichinu]

Lynch needs to happen. The only thing a no lynch gives us is us not taking a shot at possibly hitting mafia. You know where that gets us? An extra round where mafia gets a freebie. Lynch gives us much more info than a no lynch does. You can see who voted for who and what their motivations, were, who jumped on wagons, etc.

My current thought is FleshyBro.

No lynch: I swear if people keep advocating this I will bang my head into a while. You guys are using this "It's a bigger game, so we don't need to lycnh!" excuse. Guess what? That's exactly why we should lynch. We have a couple more chances at mislynching and making it to mylo. When we have more than seven people, getting one wrong doesn't mean gg, and it gets way more info than a no lynch does. Like, I don't even understand how people can equate bigger game to let's [oops I deleted by accident on my phone]

okay, first, his continuous advocating for a lynch. and look where that got us. i am being stubborn about this and maybe i shouldn't be influenced by town of Salem that much, but in TOS it's ALWAYS recommended to do a no lynch d1/d2, and random (although in our case it was more of a shaky/unsure/last minute/not totally agreed on/etc lynch) lynches are almost always called by 1. criminals or 2. mafia. the only reason I voted tardis instead of my no lynch vote was because curry encouraged it so strongly and I thought I should listen (Liam did too but honestly there's no way I'd follow what he said srry rofl) when in actuality I just did not know who to vote and I really shouldn't have voted without being more confident.

then when he addresses me and asks me some questions (that I feel were unnecessary, mainly the one about how many games I played) about a few of my posts, it just doesn't seem like good reasoning to me and more of a "grabbing at straws" type of thing. another example of taking normal responses and twisting them into something different is when he said this (I'm struggling to quote on mobile so forgive me for just copying and pasting):

"-So? Because Nightmares sounds the same that immediately means she's town? I hate this whole idea people use of "I'm sounding like/not sounding like x game I was in, therefore I am y role." Both people who have used that excuse against me when I brought up a case against them turned out to be mafia. Alexi in AoT and Panda in Trump. They both told me I had no base and the point that they were sounding just like they played in x game where they were town. This is one of the biggest reasons I scum read people is when they use excuses like that."

- I strongly townread Nightmares
- Alexi and Panda SCUMread Curry (?)
- Both were based on the same reasoning (the same behavior in previous games)
- No correlation ???
* not to mention for some reason curry was saying you can't read anyone based on their behavior from past games. but then he goes on to remind me that we have played games together?

as for this quote though I will admit I don't understand if what I think he's saying is what he is saying since it doesn't really have much to do what I said so I'm just assuming this is the interpretation that made the most sense...i think I already said this though so if you could explain it differently that would help thanks.

lastly, as I've mentioned many times before,
1. He calls me out for being wrong about him being scum in another game once
2. I call him out for misinterpreting my tone once in a game and again in this game
Why should his claim be anymore valid than mine?

and adding onto that, someone else also thought he was sus. but he only pressed me for my explanation. so :^)

 

[N e s s]

Improper I said you'd be in at day post, but I mean oh well too late now

 

[Curry]

okay, first, his continuous advocating for a lynch. and look where that got us. i am being stubborn about this and maybe i shouldn't be influenced by town of Salem that much, but in TOS it's ALWAYS recommended to do a no lynch d1/d2, and random (although in our case it was more of a shaky/unsure/last minute/not totally agreed on/etc lynch) lynches are almost always called by 1. criminals or 2. mafia. the only reason I voted tardis instead of my no lynch vote was because curry encouraged it so strongly and I thought I should listen (Liam did too but honestly there's no way I'd follow what he said srry rofl) when in actuality I just did not know who to vote and I really shouldn't have voted without being more confident.

I did advocate for it very strongly and I would absolutely do it again. We've never no lynched in a game that I've played and look where no lynching got you guys last game. No lynch never gives you more info than a lynch does and when you have a larger game, you have more margin for error. I said Tardis wasn't a good enough vote and his lynch is not on my hands so don't blame me for this mislynch when people thought Tardis did something scummy when I wasn't convinced he was scum. Vote patterns are crucial information, and it's one of the things that made me suspicious of Alexi in AoT. So yes, I advocated lynching, but do not blame me for a lynch that I never said was a good idea and never voted for.

then when he addresses me and asks me some questions (that I feel were unnecessary, mainly the one about how many games I played) about a few of my posts, it just doesn't seem like good reasoning to me and more of a "grabbing at straws" type of thing. another example of taking normal responses and twisting them into something different is when he said this (I'm struggling to quote on mobile so forgive me for just copying and pasting):

"-So? Because Nightmares sounds the same that immediately means she's town? I hate this whole idea people use of "I'm sounding like/not sounding like x game I was in, therefore I am y role." Both people who have used that excuse against me when I brought up a case against them turned out to be mafia. Alexi in AoT and Panda in Trump. They both told me I had no base and the point that they were sounding just like they played in x game where they were town. This is one of the biggest reasons I scum read people is when they use excuses like that."

- I strongly townread Nightmares
- Alexi and Panda SCUMread Curry (?)
- Both were based on the same reasoning (the same behavior in previous games)
- No correlation ???
* not to mention for some reason curry was saying you can't read anyone based on their behavior from past games. but then he goes on to remind me that we have played games together?

as for this quote though I will admit I don't understand if what I think he's saying is what he is saying since it doesn't really have much to do what I said so I'm just assuming this is the interpretation that made the most sense...i think I already said this though so if you could explain it differently that would help thanks.

I brought up the games because it's false information and I called you out on it. You'd played more than that and cancelled or not, that is mafia experience you have, which is important.
For your bullets:
-As you'll see below, you're biggest reason for town reading Nightmares sounds like you saying, "she doesn't sound like I did in Double Cop" with no examples from this game and calling them town for it. I don't like that mentality. "They sounded like/don't sound this, they/I am this."
-You're scum reading me.
-Not sure what this means.
-I have never said you can't read someone from their past games, I've said you can't just use meta as your only reason for reading someone as a town read or mafia read. Meta and information from past games can be extremely useful tools, but it shouldn't be the only factor in why you scum read or town read someone. See my point against Alexi in AoT:

Hence one of your favorite your defenses is "if people would look into my meta they would see that I'm following it and I'm always scum read each game!" Meta isn't the entirety of mafia and this game matters more than what people did in the past. Look at Cad, Jacob, entropy, and probably more who all said they wanted to change meta. Meta can be helpful at times, but when it's your strongest reason for sus'ing someone and your best defense, it doesn't hold weight.

You can absolutely use someone's past actions as reasoning for or against them. It can not be your entire case though. Notice how I didn't full town read Tardis, because I said the way he acted in the past proved townie but that wasn't enough for me to just call him townie. I did say I wish I had town read him so I could've defended against his lynch more since I thought it was a bad idea, but I never called him town because of the Tom thing. I said the last time he did something similar, he was town. With that being my only reasoning, I didn't put him down as town.

As for you, you've been in other games with me where info exists and I mentioned it. I've brought up stuff from this game though that I feel could be scummy. I'm not even full on convinced you're scum, but you are a candidate and I'll push you for answers just like I will for Liam and just like I will for Discord and Fleshy in the near future.

and I didn't notice this in your post, but alexi and the other person were using that excuse to read you as /scum/ and not town (from my understanding). which is not what I'm doing. that sounds like twisting things to make me look scummy haha

They were, but my point was you were saying "I sounded like this in x game, and they don't, so they're town." which is a poor excuse to read someone as town. Just as a note, when I say this, I'm referring to this post by you:

Well, I dunno, I'm not seeing her as scum. And this is coming from someone who had to observe what she said closely last game when I was mafia.

Last

lastly, as I've mentioned many times before,
1. He calls me out for being wrong about him being scum in another game once
2. I call him out for misinterpreting my tone once in a game and again in this game
Why should his claim be anymore valid than mine?

and adding onto that, someone else also thought he was sus. but he only pressed me for my explanation. so :^)

It's different because you thought I was scum, I thought you were angry on a post. That's a huge difference. No one else said they'd elaborate, you did, so I asked you to elaborate. If someone else thinks I'm scum and wants to make a case, I'd love to hear it.

 

[Seroja]

and adding onto that, someone else also thought he was sus. but he only pressed me for my explanation. so :^)

Probably because you implied that you somewhat scum leaned him but didn't say why. Also if this someone else is me, I've already stated why I was sus of him, but yes it is a bit weird that he didn't try to defend himself against my suspicions and just outright ignored it? Very fishy. Curry also town read me; is it because he's scum and is planning to kill me tonight so he didn't have to bother proving my suspicions wrong?

Also @hiyori, are you still sus of Curry?

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It's different because you thought I was scum, I thought you were angry on a post. That's a huge difference. No one else said they'd elaborate, you did, so I asked you to elaborate. If someone else thinks I'm scum and wants to make a case, I'd love to hear it.

I even went as far as voting for you. Why didn't you ask me why or defend yourself?

Also Hiyori didn't town read Nightmares because of "I sounded like this in x game, and they don't, so they're town." She town read Lani because Lani acted the exact same way in Double Cop mafia as she is in this game. And Shiida was mafia in that game so she had closely read Lani's post to make her look scummy.

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*as she does

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Oh yeah, Tardis got lynched like 6 hours after I woke up lmao

6 hours after or before you woke up?

 

[Fleshy]

I did advocate for it very strongly and I would absolutely do it again. We've never no lynched in a game that I've played and look where no lynching got you guys last game. No lynch never gives you more info than a lynch does and when you have a larger game, you have more margin for error. I said Tardis wasn't a good enough vote and his lynch is not on my hands so don't blame me for this mislynch when people thought Tardis did something scummy when I wasn't convinced he was scum. Vote patterns are crucial information, and it's one of the things that made me suspicious of Alexi in AoT. So yes, I advocated lynching, but do not blame me for a lynch that I never said was a good idea and never voted for.

I know you're not to blame for this lynch (it's obviously me) but to be honest the main reason I never removed my vote from Tardis was because of how you (and Liam) were so against not lynching, if I removed my vote I thought it would have been a no lynch (but actually I read the votes incorrectly and I would have been lynched if I removed my vote for Tardis as I was the first one to get 1 vote? I now see why that makes me look scummy..) but I didn't realise that at my time (love being a noob) and I thought it would have lead to nobody being lynched, and due to how you and liam were so against that, I kept my vote since I didn't want to be the one to lead to no lynch. I know that's my own nooby mistake and not anyone else's fault, so I'm not shifting the blame, but if you two weren't advocating a lynch so much I probably wouldn't have even voted to lynch Tardis in the first place, I would have stuck to no lynch (and that would have definitely been better than lynching the doctor..)

 

[Nightmares]

Probably because you implied that you somewhat scum leaned him but didn't say why. Also if this someone else is me, I've already stated why I was sus of him, but yes it is a bit weird that he didn't try to defend himself against my suspicions and just outright ignored it? Very fishy. Curry also town read me; is it because he's scum and is planning to kill me tonight so he didn't have to bother proving my suspicions wrong?

Also @hiyori, are you still sus of Curry?

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I even went as far as voting for you. Why didn't you ask me why or defend yourself?

Also Hiyori didn't town read Nightmares because of "I sounded like this in x game, and they don't, so they're town." She town read Lani because Lani acted the exact same way in Double Cop mafia as she is in this game. And Shiida was mafia in that game so she had closely read Lani's post to make her look scummy.

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*as she does

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6 hours after or before you woke up?

Oh my gosh, before

Kms

 

[Seroja]

Oh my gosh, before

Kms

Was that a grammatical error or a slip? I'm starting to doubt your statements hmm.

 

[Curry]

Probably because you implied that you somewhat scum leaned him but didn't say why. Also if this someone else is me, I've already stated why I was sus of him, but yes it is a bit weird that he didn't try to defend himself against my suspicions and just outright ignored it? Very fishy. Curry also town read me; is it because he's scum and is planning to kill me tonight so he didn't have to bother proving my suspicions wrong?

Did you say something other than "I'm suspicious of you?" I saw the vote, but if you wrote like a case or something then I just missed it.

I even went as far as voting for you. Why didn't you ask me why or defend yourself?

Also Hiyori didn't town read Nightmares because of "I sounded like this in x game, and they don't, so they're town." She town read Lani because Lani acted the exact same way in Double Cop mafia as she is in this game. And Shiida was mafia in that game so she had closely read Lani's post to make her look scummy.

This still falls in the same category of what my quote refers to. "They sound like they do in this game so I think they are x role."

 

[Dolby]

Day Two​

Curry has died. He was a Vanilla Townie

Hunter x Hunter has been replaced by improper
Hiyori will be replaced once replacement prospects confirm(requested mod kill through proxy)

You have 48 hours to vote on a lynch

 

[Seroja]

Did you say something other than "I'm suspicious of you?" I saw the vote, but if you wrote like a case or something then I just missed it.


This still falls in the same category of what my quote refers to. "They sound like they do in this game so I think they are x role."

ow **** I misread you... rip Curry... and no I didn't make a case on you, it was more of me being extra careful with you cos I'm so scared you'd be scum (like how Daniel slipped under the radar in Double Cop).

so anyway, this kill is very telling. I'm going to go through everyone's posts again and change my reads. some of my town leans might be mafia after all.

 

[Fleshy]

Oh okay, that was really pretty unexpected.. rip Curry. I guess this kill has changed a few of my opinions, I'll quickly post my current thoughts on everyone and make a proper case when I wake up in 6 hours or so.

Discord, Liamslash, Nightmares, Seroja, Improper, Hiyori

 

[Curry]

Good luck fam, lynch some mafia! Also, #TeamMystic

 

[Nightmares]

Was that a grammatical error or a slip? I'm starting to doubt your statements hmm.

Lmao sorry grammatical error
I'm GMT (summertime) btw, so you can always confirm it yourself


I'll make some quick reads in a sec

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FleshyBro
He's pretty much town lean for me... I've been through the Tardis lynching thing, and I think I probably would have kept my vote on him if I'd been awake too, so that doesn't heavily imply they're scum to me o:

Seroja
I was mostly town reading her in the beginning, but her recent post made me a bit confused: "Was that a slip? I'm starting to doubt your statements" to me accidently saying Tardis was lynched like 6 hours after I woke up. I mean, you can just work it out yourself tbh lmao
Are you just trying to make an excuse of calling me scummy? Or am I being an idiot here and reading too much into it? Not sure at this point.

Discord
I don't think they've posted frequently enough for me to make a judgement yet tbh

LiamSlash
Ehh the weird stuff at the beginning seems like just a mistake, but I'm still gonna keep my eye on him
He's coming across as town though...this might change soon doe

The rest of you guys I'll have a look at later after I've actually gotten uppp

 

[f11]

When liam has been avoiding the thread ��

 

[Liamslash]

When liam has been avoiding the thread ��

Not much to say, waiting for fleshy to get lynched.