ACNH Guide On Hybrids

[Khaelis]

@Khaelis had a question about some of the special hybrid breeding - so I breed a red seed mum and a yellow seed mum for a hybrid yellow mum > breed hybrid yellow mums hoping for green or purple mums - if I get a yellow offspring from the hybrid yellows, should I keep breeding it with its parent hybrid yellows, or toss it? Same for hybrid red pansies I'm breeding for purples, hybrid blue pansies I'm breeding for purples, etc.

You mean an offspring yellow mum from a hybrid mum and red seed mum, correct? If so, it'll always be a hybrid yellow so you can definitely make use of it. You can pair it with a hybrid yellow you already have or pair it with a different seed red. But if you're using two hybrid yellow, there's a good chance it won't be hybrid so its best to toss all yellows you get.

As for hybrid red pansies, I believe it is similar but I'm not too sure on hybrid blue pansies.

 

[GEEBRASS]

You mean an offspring yellow mum from a hybrid mum and red seed mum, correct? If so, it'll always be a hybrid yellow so you can definitely make use of it. You can pair it with a hybrid yellow you already have or pair it with a different seed red. But if you're using two hybrid yellow, there's a good chance it won't be hybrid so its best to toss all yellows you get.

As for hybrid red pansies, I believe it is similar but I'm not too sure on hybrid blue pansies.

Correct, the path I'm talking about was: seed yellow mum + seed red mum > yellow hybrid mum, yellow hybrid mum + yellow hybrid mum > mystery yellow mum, sounds like I should toss the mystery yellow mum! I think I've polluted my group of hybrid red pansies with what are likely non-hybrid red gene offspring, in this case...

Thanks for the info!

 

[Bucky42]

once again thanks for all the work and helping all of us. My question is a general one although I am working on the method two for blue rose.
I started over from seeds to make sure everything is correct.
I know flowers can clone so if two are together how do we tell if it is a clone vs a cross breed? Example white with yellow hoping to get hybred white we need to continue. Another example the purple h test breeding with yellow from seed. If yellow spawns then good purple but how do I know it is not a yellow clone.

 

[Miss Misty]

once again thanks for all the work and helping all of us. My question is a general one although I am working on the method two for blue rose.
I started over from seeds to make sure everything is correct.
I know flowers can clone so if two are together how do we tell if it is a clone vs a cross breed? Example white with yellow hoping to get hybred white we need to continue. Another example the purple h test breeding with yellow from seed. If yellow spawns then good purple but how do I know it is not a yellow clone.

If I'm understanding the flower mechanics correctly, then flowers won't clone themselves if they are next to another flower of the same species. So if your purple and your seed yellow are adjacent, then any yellow flower made was due to breeding and not cloning.

 

[Bucky42]

If I'm understanding the flower mechanics correctly, then flowers won't clone themselves if they are next to another flower of the same species. So if your purple and your seed yellow are adjacent, then any yellow flower made was due to breeding and not cloning.

Great to know! I do have blue Rose's thanks to a really sweet friend. I am breeding to see if I can get one that way. A fun challenge for myself if I don't go insane during the process. I couldn't do it without your guide.

 

[Miss Misty]

Great to know! I do have blue Rose's thanks to a really sweet friend. I am breeding to see if I can get one that way. A fun challenge for myself if I don't go insane during the process. I couldn't do it without your guide.

It's not my guide, but I'm glad I could help you with the cloning/breeding thing! I'm just another person on the long haul of trying to breed my own blue roses.

 

[Khaelis]

It's not my guide, but I'm glad I could help you with the cloning/breeding thing! I'm just another person on the long haul of trying to breed my own blue roses.

I definitely encourage others to help out if they can, I sadly cannot be on the forums all the time. XD

 

[kingfriday]

@Khaelis thank you so much for this guide! im using it everyday for my flowers! i have a quick question, is there any resource to show ALL possible offspring for two flowers? so for example im currently trying to get a purple pansy so im watering two hybrid reds. today i found that they produced a blue! i think a resource that showed all possibilities for two flowers would help reassure me im breeding the right flowers lol

 

[Khaelis]

@Khaelis thank you so much for this guide! im using it everyday for my flowers! i have a quick question, is there any resource to show ALL possible offspring for two flowers? so for example im currently trying to get a purple pansy so im watering two hybrid reds. today i found that they produced a blue! i think a resource that showed all possibilities for two flowers would help reassure me im breeding the right flowers lol

Sorry for the late reply, had a very busy day. I personally use https://gardenscience.ac/

 

[Bucky42]

I got my first good purple rose hybrid that checked out doing the yellow rose test. I can clone that purple right? Then use the two purple h for the white special hybrid needed for the last steps.

 

[Khaelis]

I got my first good purple rose hybrid that checked out doing the yellow rose test. I can clone that purple right? Then use the two purple h for the white special hybrid needed for the last steps.

Sorry for the super late reply, haven't really been having a great week so just been distancing myself from others. You can definitely duplicate it if you wish.

 

[Red Cat]

Nice work with this guide @Khaelis. I appreciate how streamlined it looks.

I played around with the flower breeding simulator and found some potential optimizations to the blue rose methods.

Method 1: Step 2 has a 50% chance of producing a hybrid red (1010) and a 50% chance of producing a hybrid pink (1011) rose. The hybrid red roses are actually better for breeding with seed yellows than the hybrid pink roses because the red roses do not have the undesirable shade trait that the pink roses have. A red (1010) and a seed yellow (0200) have a 25% chance of getting the hybrid red (1110) rose versus only 12.5% for the pink (1011) and seed yellow (0200). So the optimal thing to do would be to take all offspring produced in step 2 regardless of color and breed them with seed yellows in step 3 and keep all of the red roses produced in step 3. There's more to keep track of by using 3 different red genotypes instead of 2, but you can save some time by not throwing away your best offspring produced in step 2.

Method 2: You can skip breeding the regular purple (0020) rose at the beginning and instead breed at least two of the hybrid white (0110) roses from seed white and seed yellow roses. Then you can breed two hybrid white (0110) roses together to get the hybrid purple rose (0120). While breeding two hybrid white roses together has only a 12.5% chance of producing the hybrid purple roses, the upside is that they have only a 6.25% chance of producing a regular purple dud (0020), which means a purple rose produced this way has a 2/3 probability of being a desired hybrid and only a 1/3 probability of being a dud. I think it's worth it since fewer duds means less testing and you don't have to worry about breeding the regular purple rose at the beginning and can focus exclusively on breeding hybrid white roses.

 

[Khaelis]

Nice work with this guide @Khaelis. I appreciate how streamlined it looks.

I played around with the flower breeding simulator and found some potential optimizations to the blue rose methods.

Method 1: Step 2 has a 50% chance of producing a hybrid red (1010) and a 50% chance of producing a hybrid pink (1011) rose. The hybrid red roses are actually better for breeding with seed yellows than the hybrid pink roses because the red roses do not have the undesirable shade trait that the pink roses have. A red (1010) and a seed yellow (0200) have a 25% chance of getting the hybrid red (1110) rose versus only 12.5% for the pink (1011) and seed yellow (0200). So the optimal thing to do would be to take all offspring produced in step 2 regardless of color and breed them with seed yellows in step 3 and keep all of the red roses produced in step 3. There's more to keep track of by using 3 different red genotypes instead of 2, but you can save some time by not throwing away your best offspring produced in step 2.

Method 2: You can skip breeding the regular purple (0020) rose at the beginning and instead breed at least two of the hybrid white (0110) roses from seed white and seed yellow roses. Then you can breed two hybrid white (0110) roses together to get the hybrid purple rose (0120). While breeding two hybrid white roses together has only a 12.5% chance of producing the hybrid purple roses, the upside is that they have only a 6.25% chance of producing a regular purple dud (0020), which means a purple rose produced this way has a 2/3 probability of being a desired hybrid and only a 1/3 probability of being a dud. I think it's worth it since fewer duds means less testing and you don't have to worry about breeding the regular purple rose at the beginning and can focus exclusively on breeding hybrid white roses.

For Method 1, it does seem to make much more sense to go the hybrid red rose route over the pink rose. However, for Method 2 I still believe the higher chance at a hybrid purple rose despite the higher chance of half being duds to be more favourable; you know how RNG is. 12.5% is already pretty low, and even the smallest chance on top of that of a dud isn't worth the risk, in my opinion.

With that, I'll get add a second Method 1 alternative to the guide later with what you've noted since I don't want to discredit DazzaBound's findings.

 

[Bucky42]

Hi I am finally on step 5 breeding wh2 with the orange hybrid. I know i need the redh2 but are the orange or white from this breeding worth keeping? I didn't get any of the red hybrids only an orange and a white. Are the Orange good with the possibility of producing blue? I wouldn't keep them with the step 5 flowers, they would be in their own area. Don't want to mix things up.

 

[whimsycreator]

I swear I’m getting my purple windflowers from breeding two pinks though... :0

 

[tajikey]

So glad my blacks spawned from my hybrid reds gave me a blue. I'm also thankful for cloning.

 

[mirukushake]

I swear I’m getting my purple windflowers from breeding two pinks though... :0

It's completely possible depending on the genes of your pink windflowers. 2 pink windflowers from the (now inaccessible) hybrid islands have a 25% chance of producing purple. Other genetic pairings have much lower chances (1 - 12%) but they can do it.

 

[MarzipanDragyn]

Hoo boy, and I just rearranged my flowers too... ': D
Still, I get the feeling this will come in handy! I've been having the hardest time growing purple hyacinths and pansies...

 

[Red Cat]

Hi I am finally on step 5 breeding wh2 with the orange hybrid. I know i need the redh2 but are the orange or white from this breeding worth keeping? I didn't get any of the red hybrids only an orange and a white. Are the Orange good with the possibility of producing blue? I wouldn't keep them with the step 5 flowers, they would be in their own area. Don't want to mix things up.

The orange and white offspring from that step are the same genetically as the orange hybrid and white hybrid 2 respectively, so if you got both an orange and white offspring from that step, you should pair them together for more chances to get the red hybrid 2. For what it's worth, the yellow offspring from this step are yellow hybrids which you can breed with the orange hybrid for a 12.5% chance at the red hybrid 2, but the white hybrid 2 is better than the yellow hybrid when paired with an orange hybrid.

 

[Khaelis]

Terribly sorry for the inactivity on this guide, life has just been too busy. I did make a small addition to the guide, however. I added a "Hybrid Garden Layouts" section in the Hybrids Section, with a video of DazzaBound's video guide on hybrid garden layouts as its incredibly useful information.