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[Dolby]

Head's up going into this, this is entirely stream of consciousness (at least in the early parts, not sure if I'll have time to edit this statement), organized when the site was loading

Who do you think is the right candidate and why?
Byngo, Locket, Vanessa, and maybe AmazonEvan I feel like are the most ideal candidates idk

Again, I and others have mentioned this before, but I still find this mildly concerning

Also would like to note that the following stated that they were ok with Vanessa President: Jacob, Waffles, Toads (though this wasn't all that serious in his case

Targeting newbies?

Personally found this attack on Punchy really awkward (#39). Punchy wasn't attacking Rune in the referenced post, but instead urging him to post (I remember that it felt that Rune was lurking for literally two hours at the time)

Who do you want to be President? Uh, myself. I'm definitely campaigning for presidency, I'm very level-headed and easy to talk to, attentive to TBT even when I'm at clinic/school and privy on people trying to bs me. If we won't even consider me, then not Dolby. Electing him last time didn't help anything... I would say Vanessa is loyal and just an all-around good person.

Anybody should recognize at this point that me and Toads are not teamed, and it is honestly highly doubtful that he is teamed with Ness. Why? Because he is effectively running on the campaign on being AGAINST us, and I think that his and Ness's emotional fight made it abundently clear that they are not on the same team in addition to this.

In an anonymous election, is there ANY situation (as town) in which you would lie about who you voted for? someone is going to lie about who they voted for, its going to happen, and were not going to catch them. Someone telling the truth is going to get accused of lying. Thus is world of politics, thus is the world of TBT mafia. I don't see the point of fussing a lot over the votes.

Kinda found this weird, as any town should recognize that there are very few (if any) situations in which should lie about who they voted for. And there really is a point about fussing over the votes because town has no incentive to lie. Mafia do if they seek to get an individual elected, which could allow us to isolate scum.

My agenda is to be president and I don't trust you or Dolby... so what else but run myself, scared of some competition?

Again, don't like this. He has not given a legitimate reason for either of these. This ties in again to the platform of running on the basis of NOT being me or Ness

If it were up to me based on the extensive posters it would be Punchy. Pretty sure he's town.

Noting this for later

Instead you made a button for your sig and changed the catchphrase above your avatar. All you have said is that you would use the president/mayor power to push your own personal wants... thats not exactly who I want to have that power. And dolby is an awkward pick too rn. If anyone else shares this viewpoint with me, then I'm your candidate. If someone else wants to run with a more inclusive stance too, then thats cool... but right now I don't feel comfortable with either of you being elected

At this point, I'm honestly not concerned about Toad's reluctance to trust me, but his inability to apply any reasoning to it. Every single post that he's made up until this point he has stated a reluctance for me being King AND states that he does not trust me. Believing that I'm scum, he refuses to add any reasoning to it, because at this point he can't and is focused on gaining the Presidency for his own purposes. This isn't even a necessarily scummy thing to do, and I could honestly see town do this, but I still don't like that his campaign is essentially "I'm not those two losers"

I'm caught up. I am liking Ness's posts, and Punchy is also striking me as town too. Punchy is trying to generate discussion and get leads going, though his "you'll see" post was a bit weird.

Toads seems a little off to me; he kinda dumbtelled about the president role and something about his writing style seems a bit stiff/distant to me, idk...it's always a bad idea to vest too much trust in toads

Basically makes a post agreeing with everyone else in the thread
Seems legit

Honestly, the more that I read through the thread, the more and more I townread Tina specifically out of anybody here. To quote Dad, that one post was "very townslippery" and her first post contained the first voicing of a lot of thoughts which I consider valid

Vanessa has a weirdly disproportionate amount of fluff right now, but can't access her past games so...

Personally, kinda sus of Rune and Jacob for (in my view) intentionally misinterpreting me and Punchy backing off of our original claims and not understanding our role as masons

After everything that has happened, I am leaning towards believing Dolby and Punchy as masons. However; this is not to say that I want them to be elected as president. Yes, it is true that they are basically confirmed town should one of them die, but I feel as if there are more valuable roles then masons that should be elected so they can be protected. Their argument right now is "Elect one of us as you have a bullet proof innocent child", but at the end of the day one of you will already be confirmed should the other die yes? One of you is more than likely going to be killed at some point, so one of you will eventually be confirmed. The way I see it, Punchy has already cooked both of your gooses by revealing you're masons. If one of you dies the other is confirmed, so mafia would need both of you dead to prevent either of you from being in the game too long.

also for christs sake make my god damn post tbt

I just want to say as I'm going through the thread is that the entire purpose of why I was campaigning in the first place is that the bulletproof aspect of the President is most useful on confirmed town. I have no doubt in my mind right now that mafia want me and Punchy dead at nearest convienince, and I think that I'm a likely kill target at this point. Being elected President does not confirm you, which is a vibe of the impression that I'm getting from more than a few people who have posted so far. Why do I want to be President? Because I'm a likely target and they're going to have to kill me and Punchy at some point to likely win (let's say it's F5 for example, me and Punchy make up half the vote if I'm mayor, and if we were lying, we could instant maj someone. Maf wants to avoid that situation)

honestly, im kinda apprehensive about voting for players who are competent enough to be able to use the pres role effectively as maf, but if i had to pick out of the 'candidates' (which im assuming is dolby, ness and toad) id probably pick ness since it seems like hes the one most contributing to discussion and objectively looking at the, while toad seems to be more focused on not letting dolby and ness be pres rather than actually utilise the role for towns sake and im suspicious about dolbys motivation to become pres. overall, my choice for pres would be glow since they have made some pretty well thought out contributions to discussion and she may or may not be innocent child (if i could get a hard call on that itd basically be an insta vote for me)

Personally, found this weird, because Glow has been relatively inactive, and I honestly don't find her contributions all that significant. However, the suggestion is based off of out of date information. Still gonna slot Glow/Rune as a potential scum link. However, this weak sus is kinda awkward, as I don't view Toads/Glow as a compatible team as all of her content so far has been based off of sussing Toadsworthy

Would also note that Byngo is also kinda linked to Glow as well iirc

Alright, I honestly still have no idea who people are saying is blue, but I do have a reads list

Town
Myself
Punchy

Townlean
Tina-Tina is the only townlean in which I have a great degree in confidence in
Ness
Byngo-kinda contradicts what I said earlier, but I do kinda feel that she's trying more than as scum in that one game I played with her
Dad-kinda liked his stuff
Amazon-purely provisional, as I personally haven't noted him buddying up or supporting any teammates, which is a key aspect of his scum meta

Deserve scrutiny(no order)
Jacob
Rune
Waffles
Glow-purely based of the fact that I think that certain people are giving her to much credit

Distinctly Scummy
Toads

Need to post more imo
Bianca
Hikari
Locket
Jacob


Certain links that I want to look into more(off the top of my head)
Vanessa/Toads
Glow/Rune
Glow/Byngo
Jacob/people who he wanted to be king
Vanessa/Waffles

 

[Geoni]

Shiiit I haven't voted yet. I had to train somebody until 9pm tonight. Playing catchup as usual. :|

 

[N e s s]

Honestly whatever. At this point, none of you are getting at what i'm trying to hint at (well, maybe Byngo but her post feels like she wasn't referencing that she voted me). I am the blue role that I'm hinting at; I refuse to say what my role actually is until after the election is over, but I can honest to god assure you that I would be incredibly valuable as the president. That is why I've been campaigning so hard for this phase. I will be posting my reads soon, so keep an eye out for that as well.

Also, some of you are probably going to be upset with me for claiming. Trust me; there is a very, very large benefit to electing me.

 

[Dolby]

Honestly whatever. At this point, none of you are getting at what i'm trying to hint at (well, maybe Byngo but her post feels like she wasn't referencing that she voted me). I am the blue role that I'm hinting at; I refuse to say what my role actually is until after the election is over, but I can honest to god assure you that I would be incredibly valuable as the president. That is why I've been campaigning so hard for this phase. I will be posting my reads soon, so keep an eye out for that as well.

Also, some of you are probably going to be upset with me for claiming. Trust me; there is a very, very large benefit to electing me.

Lol, had a feeling honestly

Willing to chance it

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Ness, you do realize that you can’t vote for yourself though right?

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Ness, you do realize that you can?t vote for yourself though right?

 

[N e s s]

Lol, had a feeling honestly

Willing to chance it

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Ness, you do realize that you can’t vote for yourself though right?

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Ness, you do realize that you can’t vote for yourself though right?

Yes, I already knew that. I don't see why you're pointing this out.

 

[toadsworthy]

Dolby/Punchy thing is strange, I would rather not vote for them or have them elected like others have said... I'll vote ness as he is the best shot to not let that happen.

Originally I had glow scumleaned, because her reasons for scum reading me are terrible, but I read up her meta from Overwatch when she was scum and it doesn't match at all

Waffles has a distinct difference this game. I expect her to be like witty-funny-sarcastic, but her posts have more of a bite to them and don't seem as happy spirited. A change of tone if you will, but I didn't want it to be so vague

Runeraider's initial pick on punchy felt like when he tried to scum read me for wanting a no lynch way back in newbie mafia. Granted Punchy deserves it half the time.

Jacob and Evan fall into the "posting to be noticed" category where they are trying to come across like they are active and helpful, but when you read their posts they don't have any content really.

If Locket was scum, she would've gotten updates about the masons stuff in a scum chat at least, so her failing to read or know whats going on is honestly town-slip to me

 

[toadsworthy]

Dolby/Punchy thing is strange, I would rather not vote for them or have them elected like others have said... I'll vote ness as he is the best shot to not let that happen.

Originally I had glow scumleaned, because her reasons for scum reading me are terrible, but I read up her meta from Overwatch when she was scum and it doesn't match at all

Waffles has a distinct difference this game. I expect her to be like witty-funny-sarcastic, but her posts have more of a bite to them and don't seem as happy spirited. A change of tone if you will, but I didn't want it to be so vague

Runeraider's initial pick on punchy felt like when he tried to scum read me for wanting a no lynch way back in newbie mafia. Granted Punchy deserves it half the time.

Jacob and Evan fall into the "posting to be noticed" category where they are trying to come across like they are active and helpful, but when you read their posts they don't have any content really.

If Locket was scum, she would've gotten updates about the masons stuff in a scum chat at least, so her failing to read or know whats going on is honestly town-slip to me

 

[N e s s]

Honestly Dolby, I was REALLY hoping you would have picked up on what I was trying to say because I thought that you were the only one who could realize it and swing the vote towards me. That is why I kept discouraging your campaign.

 

[Dolby]

Yes, I already knew that. I don't see why you're pointing this out.

It was because I think you that “I voted for that person earlier” or something. But yeah, it’s inconsequential

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Yes, I already knew that. I don't see why you're pointing this out.

It was because I think you that ?I voted for that person earlier? or something. But yeah, it?s inconsequential

 

[Hikari]

Glow what are your reasons for those susses? Other than toads since multiple people have mentioned him. Locket's only posted once I believe

Locket has been unable to post because of the errors so I wouldn't suss her for lurking just yet
(I know because she was complaining in the TBT general discord don't get any ideas about us)

I'm not sure if I'm reading too much into this, but Vanessa seemed to be unusually protective of Locket after she was accused of being scummy. (I'm not familiar with these two players, so I don't know if they're friends outside of the game or something like that.)

 

[N e s s]

It was because I think you that “I voted for that person earlier” or something. But yeah, it’s inconsequential

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It was because I think you that “I voted for that person earlier” or something. But yeah, it’s inconsequential

Yeah, that was a lie. Was trying to be subtle about me being blue, but i didn't want it to be too incredibly obvious.

 

[Byngo]

Honestly whatever. At this point, none of you are getting at what i'm trying to hint at (well, maybe Byngo but her post feels like she wasn't referencing that she voted me). I am the blue role that I'm hinting at; I refuse to say what my role actually is until after the election is over, but I can honest to god assure you that I would be incredibly valuable as the president. That is why I've been campaigning so hard for this phase. I will be posting my reads soon, so keep an eye out for that as well.

Also, some of you are probably going to be upset with me for claiming. Trust me; there is a very, very large benefit to electing me.

okay i actually thought u’ve been alluding to evan cuz of this

Amazonevan19: Said “I’m nobody important so i don’t want presidency”, not sure what to make of this but I have several theories. Somewhat townish, more null.

LOL

but i voted u for president lol

 

[toadsworthy]

The two of you running dolby seemed like selfish reasons (now I understand Ness's reasoning for it lol), I wanted to run and try to take away the power of the president because pessimistic me didn't want it to fall into the wrong hands just because the two of you jumped on it first. Clearly I misread the power of the role and went a little overboard as I have said, but all you said at the time was, "vote for me." I've never been in a game with this type of thing, so I didn't realize that we should just listen to the people who campaign because they probably are important blue roles.... but I was trying to play it safe and not let the wrong person become president

 

[cornimer]

@Dolby saying my posts are fluffy: true but the forums are dying and I don't feel like that much has happened yet. I stated my thoughts on everything and gave reasons for my biggest sus, Runeraider. I'm not going to force opinions I don't have on D0.

I'm voting for Ness because I mostly believe his blue claim based on his tone and the way he was hinting at it.

 

[cornimer]

@Dolby saying my posts are fluffy: true but the forums are dying and I don't feel like that much has happened yet. I stated my thoughts on everything and gave reasons for my biggest sus, Runeraider. I'm not going to force opinions I don't have on D0.

I'm voting for Ness because I mostly believe his blue claim based on his tone and the way he was hinting at it.

 

[toadsworthy]

I literally tried to do the exact same thing in Kingmaker.... for the exact same reasons. I said early on I thought the role was like that of a kingmaker, and I didn't want it to screw us up for the whole game

 

[Locket]

I'm not sure if I'm reading too much into this, but Vanessa seemed to be unusually protective of Locket after she was accused of being scummy. (I'm not familiar with these two players, so I don't know if they're friends outside of the game or something like that.)

Vanessa has been watching me complaining for the past day or two in the TBT Discord.

I'll update with reads as soon as I get them done.

 

[toadsworthy]

maybe not exact same reasons... because I was a third party then, but like all I wanted to do was protect vanessa and kill mafia to get the game to end

 

[Geoni]

lol Ness stop playing we all know you're setting yourself up to seem like an authentic blue in order to get more votes in this election. Nobody likes a dishonest politician.

Caught up. Kinda. I say that because I'm forgetting some of the earlier posts I read yesterday, especially from forgettable people like Jacob, Evan, and Waffles. And the fact I am finding their content forgettable only makes me want to look back on them more.

In general I am holding onto my sus of Vanessa, their excuse in their defense of being accused of fluff is that the forums were glitching out but I managed to get my posts and a few actual reads in last night despite that alongside being super busy at work so that excuse doesn't cut it for me. Also Dolby/Punchy scenario isn't the only matter of content in the game so using something that is obviously too focused upon imo is something I could see uneasy mafia using in their defense. And again iirc she's suspecting Rune because he's fluffy? Hypocritical if you ask me. I actually lowkey accused him of fluff last night and his response was a lot different than hers if you compare it.

Toads? Dolby is hitting the nail on the head here with him but I still need to sift through what he has posted so far. Again, iirc, not enough reads and too much defending and that hasn't changed.

I need to read into the three I mentioned earlier because they were forgettable but Ness I would like to hear what you want to elaborate on with Waffles in particular. What posts were wishy washy? Not asking for a case if that is what you were working on, just the evidence within that case if that is what you are whipping up, to abbreviate it. Of course I could just look back for myself and I need to but it will be later at night for me.

Ness continues to be hard to read lol. I feel like I tend to be more cautious with him than other people because he gets underestimated but I can see his play so far being carefully constructed as TP or mafia. But he is putting eyes on Jacob and Waffles which I like. idk, good job on making yourself hard to read for me Ness. Aside from that blue 'hinting' and then claiming. The thing I don't like about how you led up to it is that you made it sounds like you somehow knew something the rest of the players couldn't but this is a PM game and if it wasn't yourself somebody like Dolby, who had no idea who you were talking about, would have maybe guessed at it. But that's all I really gotta say about that lol. You are blue and deserve the protection. Sure Jan.

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isn't a PM game*

 

[Dolby]

I'm not sure if I'm reading too much into this, but Vanessa seemed to be unusually protective of Locket after she was accused of being scummy. (I'm not familiar with these two players, so I don't know if they're friends outside of the game or something like that.)

Just want to say real quick that I find it unlikely that new/returning scum would point out anybody but town as even marginally sus. So putting down Hikari/Vanessa and Hikari/Locket as unlikely

Good night, going to work on scholarship applications