i operate on 7 site mafia games per day so it seems more apparent to me but i really think if one thought about it they could come to the same conclusion
Agree.
I actually think it was obvious frosty would be the d1nk. Pretty universal tr, great player, active. Obv. I could see cases for others, but ness?
Several people imo are either def town or def maf. Like, trundle, annika, tn4u, unravel. It's so frustrating.
Ribbit is right that dolby put tn4u in maf reads, but it was linked to trundle. He'd say trundle was town, but if he was maf it would be with tn4u.
My theory - setting up one to be framed. He hardcore did trundle like jacob did annika in kingmaker. Linked trundle directly to himself. Gives opportunity for a targeted frame when dolby died because trundle would likely be the night check.
But why tn4u? Setting him up to be checked (gf)? Setting him up to look bad?
Ribbit tbh I don't see it ATM but also I'm out and just skimming vs focusing. Please keep in mind that I think Dolby was trying to pocket me (not in the blatant Trundle way obv, just wanting us to mindmeld so I'd see him as town) so I'm not surprised he'd put a partner TN in wolf leans. Did he ever mentioning being willing to vote him for having him as a wolf?
gm ive been ignoring work all week and yesterday was a deadline for a lot of stuff so i was rly busy xd sorry
before i leave to make some food ive been thinking that we should flip nulls because theres still like 10 days if this madness before it's lylo i think. unravel or radical sounds good just bc they take a lot of the discussion, granted i havent read the bulk of yesterday and i am not sure if these slots had any development. tn4u is also good bc he interacted with all of the thread and it could be good info. i would oppose to annika bc i rly don't feel like shes wolf
ill read while i eat
Ribbit is right that dolby put tn4u in maf reads, but it was linked to trundle. He'd say trundle was town, but if he was maf it would be with tn4u.
My theory - setting up one to be framed. He hardcore did trundle like jacob did annika in kingmaker. Linked trundle directly to himself. Gives opportunity for a targeted frame when dolby died because trundle would likely be the night check.
But why tn4u? Setting him up to be checked (gf)? Setting him up to look bad?
Hmm, that sounds pretty real. Here's how I viewed it:
Dolby originally viewed me as mafia, but then became more null.
I always viewed Dolby as town until the "doc claim" mess.
I was originally up-and-down with Trundle, but my claim of town became stronger over time the more I saw his post habits.
Trundle views me as noob town, and has always stuck with it.
I personally think he was attempting to set up Trundle for failure, maybe so that he could save himself and the other mafia members. Nothing has worked to get Trundle eliminated since (I personally think Trundle should stay), and if he was targeted N1, the doc knew to save him based off Trundle's EOD1 panic.
I would be surprised if two of the people in the AFK section of Trundle's readslist in the 300s were imposters. With that said even though I don't like the read, from what I remember of Trundle he was pretty inclined to townread people who were present and active in general so i think in the context of him specifically that read is fine.
Now that we're deeper in the thread my read is more solidified, but earlier when I made that post to you saying I townread him. Of the people who were vibing in the thread he was vibing in the most towny ways, he was acting in a way that drove the thread forward. I think that he might be threadspewed town by the reaction to the Mogyay push, since there were a number of people who jumped on that in not great ways, and I think some of them may have been willing to sheep a townie's wrong read if Mogyay is town. His play was driving forward participation in the thread. Now I can look at his posts after like 280 and be like "yeah this guy is just probably town" off of something that isn't vibes but yeah.
Would like to say again that the towniest thing about Mogyay is how certain people reacted to her being pushed. I really need more from her to read her from her
Yeah at the time I saw that post I had to leave shortly after and thought that it was towny but the type of post theyd be pushed over so I shot that read out. Reevaluated later and thought it was NAI.
Making a four person mafia team is TOUGH since there are so many directions to go right now. There are like, three different borderline mutually exclusive worlds I could go down dependent on what I think about the Mogyay thread push. If I'm at Mogyay town, I think I go Ribbit/unravel/Yoshi(this one is more of a reaction why is this guy being super townread)/one AFK. This is more of a "find the most plausible four player team", rather than "name the four most suspicious players".
I'm not coasting I just couldn't get to a computer
I don't think that Trundle even really mentioned Zinnia until recently? Besides that, I do think that holisitically you and TN4U's susses on Mogyay and Zinnia look the most suspicious to me timing wise. Also voting people out is our only way to get out evil people. I feel this about Mogyay earlier to: if she's gonna sus to slots that sus her, those slots being Ribbon and TN4U is the least worrying since the method that they got to to wolfread them is least evident and looks most like sheeping the thread
Trundle I am really going to need you to talk about TN4U being obvious noob town because outside other people's interactions with him making him look relatively good I don't understand how he looks good from thread participation
Well I'm sorry if I was being rude. I still do stand by voting someone out today though.
How do you feel about Betsy's entrance to the thread?
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Kinda sad that no one is here rn. Was hoping to vibe with people, ah well
bolded is how he opened going into full tunneling on me
and this is directed at trundle too so if he is pocketing trundle and imposing reads onto him this makes tn4u look better imo, trundle said specifically his wolf read on me was from dolby convincing
Volt Frosty is clearly not moving towards a Yoshi vote and probably isn't moving to get Yoshi voted out on future days. I kinda view this whole interaction as a town vs town slap fight between the two of you
Great, now i have to consider if you're TMIing annika town again. Why are Ribbit and Annika town to you?
@radical6 what makes you disagree with ribbit elimination? What makes them town for you? Also I know that you sus both TN4U and Trundle so which of them would you vote today if you were choosing between them?
Also I will say Yoshi calling out the one zero-poster left in the game is not town indicative and I can totally see that coming from new mafia. Don't think I would vote Yoshi today though.
Tbh I could see unravel as pairred with Ribbit since they just sussed the slot and decided to leave their vote on Zinnia and made no indicaton that they were actually considering moving her vote
dolbyās big wall about me is too long to bring up here but it mainly hinged on me pocketing tn4u with his involvement in it and saying we arenāt aligned which i said earlier feels setup-y
You saying that TN4U feels like his natural self makes me feel better about him. I've felt that he's been taking unnatural logic lines thus far, particularly towards the start of the game and in his read of Annika.
Yeah I get similar vibes from Mogyay in that she was contributing to solving the game at that point in time. I could vote for her but I don't want to condemn a player based on their posting in the first two hours when no really knows anything.
How do you feel about Zinnia's current posting? I think that it's very lightly towny
Trundle is town for me Frosty and I canāt really talk in depth about it now, but he did say that Mog was a wolf at the same time that I was thinking that her posts felt emptiest, and Iāve vibed well with his posts after that. I think that if heās with mafia he could be with TN4U, and not with Mog. If Mog is a town, I think thereās a good chance that wolves are sheeping that read. RibbitRibbon could be a wolf in that regard: quite frankly the reads they provided felt like they were shaped by thread consensus. Like aside from their recent Volt doubt theyāve felt for someone posting as much as they have very conscious of what the thread consensus is. Funny enough the read process I like most is the one line they had on me lol. I donāt like what they put forward to why Trundle is a town read, and if they do know TN4U I think they could be pocketing him
Zinnia is there anyone that distinctly stands out as town to you? Like, are there a few people who are more beyond reproach as town than others currently?
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Hi! Who do you think are crewmates and imposters?
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Lily I would implore you to not vote for no elimatiation. Voting out people is how town gets out mafia and how we win the game. Any missed vote out is a missed chance to eject an imposter
I'm assuming that you only care about the quoted portion involving TN4U
It's late but just to summerize. There is one later post talking about TN4U's weird early push on Annika where Ribbit kinda just dismissed, but I feel like Ribbit came into the game deciding to townread TN4U. It's contained somewhere within one of my walls. I looked back and felt that Ribbit wasn't reading TN4U to solve him but came in with her read on TN4U already decided. I'm leaning more to Ribbit wanting to pocket TN4U or they might just be TMIing TN4U town in a manner similar to how I thought Jacob4 might be TMIing Annika as town.
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Decentering myself and Ribbit, it still makes me feel a bit better about thought patterns from TN4U that I thought were maybe not organic are normal for him
feel like dolby was trying to mislead me to think about tn4u more because of how he treated me with getting people to think about me more to make them paranoid
i guess i didnāt realize it but tn4u tr from me might be more of a sympathy read
I unfortunately think digging to deep into the low posters EoD votes is useless unless one of Ribbit/unravel flips w, and Ribbit flipping w would only help Dinosaur look green
Knowing I am town, I would say there is max 1 mafia in that last. I'm thinking TN4U/radical6 is a valid pairing since they have been pretty distant the entire game (from my memory). If TN4U is town and radical6 ends up being wolf, I would say annika is probably town too.
Knowing I am town, I would say there is max 1 mafia in that last. I'm thinking TN4U/radical6 is a valid pairing since they have been pretty distant the entire game (from my memory). If TN4U is town and radical6 ends up being wolf, I would say annika is probably town too.
You think he was trying to make me think TN4U was mafia? I honestly would disagree, I think he knew I was fixated away from TN4U D1 and knew I was just blankly labelling TN4U as noob town, and there is not much that would change my mind.
You think he was trying to make me think TN4U was mafia? I honestly would disagree, I think he knew I was fixated away from TN4U D1 and knew I was just blankly labelling TN4U as noob town, and there is not much that would change my mind.
the bolded part is because sheās on singapore time and checked out. as for the rest of it iām also not sure. let me grab her posts about it
unravel if you see this do you think tn4u flipping red would confirm trundle to you?
looks more and more like a trundle flip is the way to go today, sorry annika
volt thinks yoshi is a newbie mafia based on vibes iirc, ender wrote him off as maf for having mixed signals. iād be fine with it i suppose, but even if he does flip red iām not sure what that would tell us.
if dolby was quick enough, he couldve seen ness soft claim and posted it to mafia chat before he died so i dont think that can be any indicator for or against honestly.
my university had a makers fair so i was kinda busy shopping coz it ended at the same time as EOD lmao. i have sick dan heng earings now tho.
also i think ribbit asked me a question but i am not going back through 2.2k posts to find it coz it wasnt in a ping, i think it was about tn4u, but anyway mostly because he was like one of my early d1 reads and he felt easier (along with lily/shiny) to read idk for being new? also one of the posts you linked i think it was me talking more about frosty. frosty and tn4u did have that pages long discussion. that discussion was related to how i felt about her, im not sure how else i could avoid mentioning him. at least i think you included that but if you didnt oops.
im not really sure what we're doing today and i dont want to vanity wagon but it looks like its between policy chop (..maybe?), tn4u and trundle... im not opposed to policy chop or tn4u but i honestly think trundle is town.
he was just on dolby's defense for soooo long. it wouldve been very easy for him to just roll over and bus him too. also i think his reasons against killing dolby were a sign of how cautious he was, and imo that felt more pro town to me, because hes right town potentially killing doc wouldve been disastrous and one more day would give them time to confirm.
i think mog also brought up his "cop check me" comment which i again think is a joke and just trundle's personality, at least if i was cop i wouldnt take it seriously.
also hi ender, you normally scare me in any mafia game but im kinda relieved you replaced shiny because shiny is easier to read (who i also think is town just for his uhh rather unorthodox views)
also i think frosty has a very good chance of being alive for a couple more nights if doc/watcher can alternate.... n1 at least we know frosty wasnt the attempted save, because if she was, maf wouldve 100% killed her n2. i think the n1 target was ness but now hes dead so... tbh i dont think doc was on frosty n2 so hopefully n3 doc can be and watcher n4.
oh they basically just means that we can win this mechanically. yeah idk it seems like it's a decent assumption go make i dont find it AI
i think this opinion on trundle is a bit recycled so there isnt much to gather from this post
Definitely town:
- TN4U. The main reason is because of this post. I feel like if he was maf, he might have gone omgus, like Frosty says in the next post
- Ribbit. His reasoning for suspecting mafia members generally makes sense to me
- Frosty, for the same reasons as Ribbit
Least town:
- Radical. I still think itās just a little weird that she never voted. If she doesnāt vote this eod, and especially if we manage to vote out someone whoās maf, then that will make me suspicious
- Trundle. I donāt think heās really suspicious or anything, but heās also accused me of being mafia for not posting despite also just saying that I havenāt posted enough for him to make a good read on me?? Sounds kinda contradictory, but I canāt say thatās enough to make him maf since heās also played more of these than I ever will so what do I know
- Unravel. Also kind of suspicious how she was one of the only people that thought that everyone voting for Dolby was out of nowhere and yet he ended up being maf. But itās also just as likely that she was just a townie who thought that it was weird for everyone to start wagoning Dolby
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Also, I know why radical didnāt vote, btw. I just think itās a little weird.
this is very early on
i donāt think thereās any spectacular info from it but the fact he did say trundle would be maf with tn4u is interesting
zinnia flipped town so mog seems more paired with him based on this line. either that or mog was just used to set me up as follows man:
based on how dolby treated me iām not sure i would fos tn4u at all in light of being on a dolby team. not understanding yoshi trs is something he says directly about my townreads later, which makes me feel better about yoshi, radical feels out of nowhere and later he mostly dodges talking about her slot in length, no elim talk makes me think thread consensus was not talking about mafs at all. again i just donāt know how to feel about the unravel interaction here
i can see what trundle was saying about dolb trying to pocket him
i think this is about mog
i donāt remember why i quoted this
idk i just donāt like how heās latching onto trundle
and also is this implying mog is wolf? iām staring to get a vibe that dolby is willing to lightly wolf read partners if they fall into view but not care enough to go into bussing them
makes me think he achieved thread state he wanted
did not explain why trundleās eod had 0 driving agenda
i think he was prepared to cc either cop or doc with a trundle report
like me started off tring and flipped to full bus mode so iām just townlocked betsy atm
this had nothing to do with dolby but i saw it and iāll go back on it later
blatantly overlooks volt and betsy to make this post which gives them both town cred imo
donāt think annika and dolby are paired
pocket or blatantcy is the question ;v;
k iām starting a notice a trend in that he comments more on people i tr in a negative light so i think the focus on his interactions should be the shorter ones he has less of an opinion of
donāt like the way he pairs me and tn4u
tn4u looks townier the more i look into him ngl
is this pocket or blatancy?????????? i honestly cannot tell
dolby seems to dodge questions that would disprove any of his points
rererrrerrrreeeeeeee
bro did not go back to think about the bws (distance between him and unravel)
lily i would clear you just for this idk wth dolby is trying to say
seems more like an easy way to get reads to keep up towncore
all names in questions could be town based on how dolby interacts with people
short comment about radical deciding to defend and lightly townread
also bro did NOT comment on all of my isos
iām most interested in how he placed dino in wolfy radical yoshi and tn4u down there without a written explanation
doesnāt tell me much though considering annika is down there and i doubt her being a wolf
aha, a wishy washy defense
yeahh my vote is locked on radical today
bro did not iso radical
dolby ur such a liar
also donāt think dolby bothered expanding much his tr of volt besides saying he spectated one maf game of voltās
>skimmed
>leaves without explaining further -__-
dolby doesnāt seem to be distancing as hard from volt as other trs he has which is good (i.e. mogyay)
if i am getting the right sense of it dolby disregards this as a joke/mistype and brushes it off like my read list of him with mog trundle and unravel so since tn4u didnāt elaborate i would guess tn4u is town again. like idk ik i had this thought since the beginning of the game, i only really changed it bc i thought ness was cop and had tn4u maf but it was an inside joke.
about lily, think it would be written differently if she was maf
asked me to elaborate on something and i am thinking he does this to mislead people
asking ness to continue tunneling betsy like. nah man betsy canāt be maf itās just not possible
baiting cop ??
also back to what i said in that i think he was keeping options open for a cc (cop or doc) specifically about clearing trundle
like a normal vanilla townie person wouldnāt say āi donāt have a red checkā they would say āwth iām not cop if thatās what youāre askingā
he is really linking himself to trundle
i think at this point he thought he could really win the cc
ok this is pockety probably
small interaction between dolb and mog
my wolf!read list is not shaping well today so iāll just null this and move on for now but itās in the back of my head
could be like jacob trying to pair himself with annika last game
i think like ness said betsy is likely town based on dolby doubling down on us knowing he will die
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ok i think me and frosty (iām assuming we had the same idea but maybe we had 3 different ones) came to a completely different conclusion about what you were talking about
that said i have no idea what youāre talking about here and will be interested in hearing it later when u wanna bring it up
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this iso just brings me back to my main thought wondering if there is a maf in volt and trundle bc a lot of these interactions more prove people are town to me than wolf
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wait betsy i just saw you said the unravel tinfoil is unrelated
i just disagree there itās why i asked about the trundle bus slip
I kept saying Im from SG its basically the opposite timezone and during eod thats like 2AM to 6AM and I can go online around 6:50 AM cuz Im on the way to work
Also at really this point I dont even think Trundle!mafia and there is no way Trundle/Dolby team. Unless its fhe only way for Dolby to bait us thinking Trundle is town
Only reason why i see trundle/tn4u (before dolby flipped) in early days because TN4U keeps agreeing with trundle then suddenly backs out of nowhere and plus I might be wrong cuz i didnt make much effor iso-ing cuz of conflicts. Im much comfortable voting Tn4u than trundle and if tn4u is green I apologies for that
i kinda agree with mog if anything it's more town to point out that the game can be won mechanically
we can talk abt rad more but im feeling more like going for tn4u today
every tn4u post is like that tumblr post talking abt how every post u get net zero information
Knowing I am town, I would say there is max 1 mafia in that last. I'm thinking TN4U/radical6 is a valid pairing since they have been pretty distant the entire game (from my memory). If TN4U is town and radical6 ends up being wolf, I would say annika is probably town too.
I didn't notice in gameflow, but the Trundle obsession 
