Mafia August 2021 Mafia Game- Town Win!

[Armadillo lover]

Yeah I think we should do no elimination

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Right now no elimination seems smartest decision

 

[tessa grace]

Would no-vote still be the wisest after all?
Considering if we have a miss and someone gets done in by Mafia we lose two people which is two potential people with the detective role.

hi guys im back! i was at the store getting a my hero academia poster and im super excited
anyways this is what i had suggested earlier to ace, no vote and let detective work the ropes. honestly i don't really think armadillo is 100% mafia, she was just my top pick for someone to vote because i knew that choosing no elim could raise suspicion. however, i think a good way to still possibly get info is with the detective role (istg if its geoni-)
however, like @Ace Marvel said, the only way to get confirmed info without cop outing themselves (cop=detective- ill say them both) is to vote someone off.

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[Armadillo lover]

I think you are right, and I would vote someone if I was not the person that was getting voted off.

 

[Geoni]

I'm gonna run through the thread and take notes/build some inquiries for everyone in a bit here, sorry for the tardiness, work's been pretty intense these past few days.

 

[Sheep Villager]

hi guys im back! i was at the store getting a my hero academia poster and im super excited
anyways this is what i had suggested earlier to ace, no vote and let detective work the ropes. honestly i don't really think armadillo is 100% mafia, she was just my top pick for someone to vote because i knew that choosing no elim could raise suspicion. however, i think a good way to still possibly get info is with the detective role (istg if its geoni-)
however, like @Ace Marvel said, the only way to get confirmed info without cop outing themselves (cop=detective- ill say them both) is to vote someone off.

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Oh I must have missed that post when I was scrolling through the backlog this morning. Yeah that's a fair point. I'll try to get over my lingering hesitancy when it comes to voting then. Absolutely zero idea who to vote for then though. The best idea I had was b100m earlier and even that wasn't the firmest.

I think I need to try and do a proper re-read of the entire thread again. It's unfortunately starting to be pretty late over here and I do not trust my brain to be cohesive much longer so that will have to wait.

Geoni has arrived now though so we should have some fresh takes soon, hopefully.

 

[Armadillo lover]

I looked at votes and right now there is
1 vote for me.
1 vote for Tessa
1 vote for Koopa
1 vote for no elimination.
so right now we are waiting on Koopa’s vote, Geoni’s vote, sheep villagers vote, and mogyay’s vote. I think I missed a few people but those are the people that were online.

 

[tessa grace]

I'm gonna run through the thread and take notes/build some inquiries for everyone in a bit here, sorry for the tardiness, work's been pretty intense these past few days.

aha there you are
no worried about missing out! sometimes real life can be a pain.

 

[Geoni]

General summary of the day as I see it: We have people wanting to no elim and that's been the main point of discussion so far, in addition to people being confused by some of Armadillo's behavior, and questioning b100's echoing of the no-elimination take. Volt thinks Tessa is fabricating posts. Mog is needing to catch up. Ace has provided only one hint of a townread and I hope he's catching up as well. Votes are low and scattered, no real wagon.

Spoiler

I think for today we vote know one, tomorrow we will have more information on who to vote.

I don't even know how you're supposed to gather enough information to vote someone on d1... I will most likely also just vote no-one for d1 unless something dramatic happens. Days are 48 hours so there's still time but given it's d1 I doubt much will happen.

Course of action: In a setup like this a no-elimination is still going to damage us more because we're not confident enough with our information gathering to make a swing, regardless of it being a hit or a miss. I'm going to start out with a big bolded question @ everyone after this post that'll move things in the right direction.

Questions/notes I have for people:

@b100ming

HA! I trust no one!

But don't you think there are people you should find you can trust as the game progresses?

You then proceed to just back and forth and joke around for a few pages. Nothing wrong with that, but you are more or less just supporting people's doubts rather than pushing to find information. Then your first truly content related post is this:

I think you are trying to get us to vote the wrong person off.

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But I am also a little worried that the inactive people are the mafia and they just forgot to get on.

I agree

And then you turn around and vote me just for not being around.

Oh. We didn’t tell each other our roles. We know that’s against the rules. But we were both kinda sus of ace for saying we should vote someone off every round. And the reason we always respond right after each other is because we are friends irl, and I can just text her and say “Yo! Check out this giveaway I found!” So we’re typically on at the same time.

For me it's not necessarily about you posting the same sentiment right afterwards but rather that it was your first content-related action in the game to take that stance once someone else took it. I guess your voting me is in the least you taking a shot and wanting to find something out, but if I hadn't posted anything, what information would have been gained from me flipping green when you could have chosen to no-elimination? Sounds like violence.

@mogyay

I have nothing to note from you so far, you're as late as I am it would seem. What do you think about the main points brought up so far? As in, everyone's stances. If you need me to wrap up the stances people have taken to make things easier for you I can do so. I probably will anyways.

@Sheep Villager

Just noting you sorta came in with the same 'I don't want to vote today' sentiment another had. There's fear of being wrong in this sentiment.



@Koopadude100

Noting the entry to the thread was that you wanted to wait for people to post before playing but didn't feel the need to banter either. Not super AIing this yet just putting it down as an approach. Also this won't destroy any friendships, don't let that be a concern when it comes to playing. Does anyone ever say sorry when they knock a friend's piece off the board playing Sorry? Just think of it that way.

Didn't b100ming come to their rescue? It could just be a friend thing but that's where my suspicion is since b100ming said that when someone said they might be mafia because they were typing right after each other and b100ming said it's because they are friends irl. That might not qualify as rescuing, but I just thought I'd point that out.

I don't think it's good to just see that as two mafia partners outright, they're probably just around at the same time, but I feel like you're coming from a point of view that you want to figure things out in saying this.


@voltairenism

Entry was obviously joking banter between you and Ace, nothing AI in it. Dunno why you are surprised there's a lot of filler. I'm confident you can push through it. It's day 1 after all. You feel very attack mode on Armadillo Lover for making statements an unsure new player would probably make, do you find anything AI about it or are you just aggressive by nature? Don't recall you being but you've also had a lot of time between when I was last in a game with you.

yeah i wasnt here so i wasnt aware of that but that is weird indeed. anyone else can confirm this happened?

Again this post quantity isn't that difficult to keep up with. Why are you asking someone else instead of looking into the moment itself after saying it's weird? The towny approach is to try and figure out what's behind a moment that pings you, or in this case a moment you find weird. I appreciate you talking Armadillo out of a paranoia/panic mode that was going on page 8. Speaking of which why am I on 20 PPP again?

No, guys, time to stop this. armadillo has been suspected by everyone so far and nobody came to their rescue, so makes me feel like they are not mafia. I voted tessa because I am kinda hyperaware of their tone, sounds a bit too much careful and fabricated. It's mostly a feeling but that's all I got

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I only see someone being confused with the game

What about it seems fabricated? Is that a tone you've only seen from tessa when they are mafia as opposed to when they are town? Could you give some specific posts?

here's the thing, me, sheep and tessa, all can be mafia. In my pov, you can be mafia. mafia wants to hang someone that is town, so they are going to fabricate logic to convince everyone. so I'm sorry if I sound too harsh, but I ask you to have a good reasoning to hang someone because for all I know you could be just wanting to hang an innocent person

Again you bring up the word fabrication. What are you seeing? I'm not sure I see it yet in tessa's posts. I'll re-eval on ISO down the line but I'm just not seeing it on first glance. You sounded like you had meta though?



@Armadillo lover

I am sure that I would know if my friend was a robot………I am pretty sure she is not a robot. but if she was then that would explain why she is really good at finding things On the internet.

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Also everyone here is sus and I am definitely the only normal one and everyone else is part of the mafia, I am going to vote everyone……even though everything I am saying is not possible. Also this game is more confusing then a maze.

Why was everyone suspicious as opposed to not suspicious at the time you posted this?

I think we should wait until someone dies, there’s no way we would have enough information on the first day, and if you voted someone you are sus.

Most people who have at least played a few games will be voting on day 1, it shouldn't be seen as suspicious on its own, what should be sus is their reasons why.

I'm noting a lot of paranoia from you which is a towny approach as long as you don't bank on it once there is plenty of information further on.

I WANT TO DIE

Me at work. Every night.

@thetessagrace

Everything armadillo has said about the actual mafia game up to this point doesn't settle right with me.

Why?

Also @b100ming being very quick to agree with armadillo seems a little bit like mafia as well.

(keep in mind i dont 100% think you are mafia, this just raises my suspicion)

Mindmelded with this just a little but I only slightly dislike it. It's sorta mafia-like for someone to maintain people not wanting information before a night kill. Was that the intent? Don't know with confidence yet. Just jotting down that you had a similar thought to me if anything.

you said the things i couldn't put into words

anyways good morning! 11:25 am over here. i'm so sorry about the conflicting timezones for everyone! maybe we can compare and find times when we're all/mostly all active. I'm MST.

i'm keeping my vote on armadillo just because i do understand she has said she isnt very good at the game or thats how she always acts but i just feel like the constant defense even at the beginning when nobody was targeting her was a little bit suspicious. i also think i agree with @Ace Marvel with voting someone to get some sort of info, (ex. if armadillo is mafia we can be more suspicious of the people defending her- vice versa) however Ace I don't think you ever said anything about my suggestion on just waiting for a town info role instead at night. I'd like to get your opinion on that.

I don't know why I have this expectation but I expect you to look into what everyone else is saying in the thread and why they're saying it, outside of Armadillo. If it's a 9 player setup there are 2 mafia, so who do you think is a partner? That's the kind of solving/mindset I'm expecting.

another good point.

my stance on the situation is that although some of the things she said were because she was confused, the constant defense of herself was too much. and whenever i asked her to explain something she said she would refuse to or ignore the post. that doesnt sit right with me.

Given her state of mind why does it come off as alignment indicative? I'm feeling pretty neutral about it atm.


@Ace Marvel

First post was 'I like the Koopa dude' which is an approach I remember from Ace, kind of throws out brief statements as to who he likes and dislikes. I will of course ask you to provide a reason why at some point.

Why is this the only thing I have from you as I begin to wrap up my catchup notes?


What I have from all this:

I feel good about Koopa and Sheep.

Okayish about Armadillo.

Neutral/mehish on Volt and Tessa because while I think there's a lot of helpful posts from them their takes have been very questionable for me? I don't see what they are seeing. Specifically Tessa's points on Armadillo and Volt's points on Tessa.

True Neutral on mog because there's not much to go on.

Neutral but harsher on Ace because there's also not much to go on but I expect a little more from him. Just behind mog as the person with the least takes?

b100 I found slightly sus for reasons stated. I feel like in my notes I had something I +1'd from Sheep that I agree with in regards to the b100 take but I'm back and forth between tabs and should be using google docs instead but I'm a disorganized shmuck.

I'll need to re-retrieve those quotes from Sheep that I swore I reacted to.

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@b100ming @mogyay @Sheep Villager @Koopadude100 @voltairenism @Armadillo lover @thetessagrace @Ace Marvel

Who are the people you will not vote for today and why?

Lets pretend no-elimination wasn't a choice and the host forces you to vote, who are the people you are considering and why?

To answer my own question, I will not vote for Koopa, Sheep, or Armadillo today unless they say/do something that really changes my mind. I think I might have tessa in this category too unless Volt has some serious meta that changes my mind and/or I don't feel tessa is approaching the game from an authentic solvey point of view anymore.

Gun to head I would vote for b100 with the information I have or vote Ace to him to provide more takes.

mog and volt are in between the two categories for me. Volt has had a lot of helpful posts but complaints about filler while doing a lot of objectively helpful posting towards newer players while having a confusing take on tessa so far has me hesitating to put them in townreads yet. Mog is a shot in the dark. Don't let her remain a shot in the dark.

Koopa, Sheep, Armadillo,

Tessa
mogyay

Volt

b100, Ace

Nobody is orange/red yet.

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come on why couldn't someone have posted in the last few minutes so that didn't merge and make the wall feel bigger D:

 

[tessa grace]

I'm going to clear up some of the confusion and things I have been saying. Apologies to all who may have gotten the wrong idea.
I am not positive that Armadillo is mafia. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if she isn't. Everybody has brought up excellent points in her defense and because of that I am less suspicious. However, I agreed with a couple of statements made saying we need to vote for somebody. I have provided my reasoning for why I think Armadillo is potentially mafia, but I am open to other votes and opinions. I hope it doesn't seem like I've forced the Armadillo votes, she was simply a suggestion that I chose to elaborate my reasoning for.

Another thing I would like to point out, even if two of us are mafia, we are still all a team. I realized my mistake during this game so far is I felt as if I was against you guys, because the only other times I've played in the cellar I was Mafia. I'm not quite used to playing as a town member. That certainly isn't an excuse for my suspicious actions, though. I'm just trying to remind myself that we're working together!

Finally, I thought about it for a while and now that I've heard what everybody has had to say, I am completely open to voting b100ming. I don't have many points to make, though, cause everyone else already has. I do think it's important to note that we've heard tons from b100ming and Armadillo Lover, which is why we will have more against them. I think I'd like to hear more from Ace Marvel and Mogyay before I re-vote.

 

[Geoni]

Edit by way of posting, pretend these are in Sheep's notes:

Spoiler

I feel Armadillo has sounded more of a mix of confused town and hyperactive to me? I've tried looking at the posts but I don't see a whole lot of defending so much as just confusion. Also at the very least the thing I asked her about I did get an immediate answer to, I'm not sure how much that weighs against the point of avoiding questions.

One thing that did bother me earlier was B100m not responding to the explanation about not trusting friends at all. Maybe I'm reading too much in to it but it feels a bit like leaning on that friendship as a crutch. She has only really talked with Armadillo too, and even used Armadillo as a basis for her vote immediately. I hope I'm making sense at all. Of the two I almost feel B100m is more suspicious.

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I'm not saying both of them are mafia, but the possibility of maf!b100m and town!Armadillo lingers in my mind after that.

This is the post I wanted to +1. I don't find anything about this take that I can disagree with. Forgetting what you mean by 'using friendship as a crutch' I think that was just b100 reacting to someone suspecting they're partnered because they had back to back posts about wanting to eliminate nobody today?

Looking back it looks like Koopa said that. It's a take I don't really share but something I like Koopa for in that they feel like they're making some sort of effort. Made an either/or statement about the exchange and I don't have enough confidence to do the same.

 

[tessa grace]

also @Geoni what are your pronouns?and everyone else who didn't share theirs already just so i don't mess anything up

 

[Geoni]

I'm going to clear up some of the confusion and things I have been saying. Apologies to all who may have gotten the wrong idea.
I am not positive that Armadillo is mafia. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if she isn't. Everybody has brought up excellent points in her defense and because of that I am less suspicious. However, I agreed with a couple of statements made saying we need to vote for somebody. I have provided my reasoning for why I think Armadillo is potentially mafia, but I am open to other votes and opinions. I hope it doesn't seem like I've forced the Armadillo votes, she was simply a suggestion that I chose to elaborate my reasoning for.

Another thing I would like to point out, even if two of us are mafia, we are still all a team. I realized my mistake during this game so far is I felt as if I was against you guys, because the only other times I've played in the cellar I was Mafia. I'm not quite used to playing as a town member. That certainly isn't an excuse for my suspicious actions, though. I'm just trying to remind myself that we're working together!

Finally, I thought about it for a while and now that I've heard what everybody has had to say, I am completely open to voting b100ming. I don't have many points to make, though, cause everyone else already has. I do think it's important to note that we've heard tons from b100ming and Armadillo Lover, which is why we will have more against them. I think I'd like to hear more from Ace Marvel and Mogyay before I re-vote.

Don't worry about past games. Every new game is a clean slate.

I mean it's not like Armadillo deserves strong amount of defense here, if anything from my point of view, their behavior and content is something I've seen from town more than I have from mafia at their level of experience. If you look at all the posts in an ISO it's a lot of uncertainty in the beginning, confusion in the middle, and attempts to organize how to approach the end of this day in the latest posts.

Do you think the weight of any issues you have with b100 or Armadillo deserves as much pressure as Ace or Mogyay giving us very little? I think I'm gonna put my vote on Ace for the time being while saying that anyone with their name in yellow/part yellow is a wagon I'd be willing to move onto depending on what other people I have the most confidence about being town want.

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also @Geoni what are your pronouns?and everyone else who didn't share theirs already just so i don't mess anything up

He/him, sorry I think you had an RQS before the game began? I'll throw my answers down to that now that I've gotten the work of catching up overwith.

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What's your name? Geoni. You can call me Geo for short. Old players might know me as 'Dad' since that was my username for a long time.
Why are you playing mafia? I've retired but I just wanted to play a low effort game on the home forum out of nostalgia and revisiting the feeling of either being and inquirer or a manipulator depending on what I randed.
What's your zodiac sign? Solar sign Capricorn, Lunar sign Scorpio. Not only am I evil but I also sting.
What's your favorite color? No color in particular but I love earthy tones.
Pronouns? He/him
Finally, are you part of the mafia? No the family let me retire and finally live my life.

 

[King koopa]

Yeah I think I'm going to keep my vote on nobody, but like tessa, i would like to hear more from other people in case I should vote for armadillo again.
Here's how I view everyone though it's subject to change:
Definitely not mafia:
Me
tessa
Geoni
Might be mafia, but I'm not too sure:
Voltairenism
Ace marvel
armadillo
mogyay
suspicious of:
B100ming
Let me know if I should move anyone. Basically since Ace and b100ming are yellow on @Geoni's more detailed list, I think we should vote one of those two.
Ace I'm less suspicious of, since he's not as active as b100ming, so there isn't much information we have but we have more with b100ming

 

[Ace Marvel]

@Geoni when I join I say I will have low activity, I've been checking, but the conversation to me is filler, I can't do analysis like you, so I had really nothing to add, was waiting for you because the no vote annoyed me not gonna lie.

After seeing the thread, I can add that I like Volt holster of the Armadillo push.

I honestly don't know what to think of armadillo, but I disliked the we are besties so we are town because of it

I don't remember why I like Koopa dude, but was probably because not wanting to join the no vote thing.

 

[tessa grace]

Don't worry about past games. Every new game is a clean slate.

I mean it's not like Armadillo deserves strong amount of defense here, if anything from my point of view, their behavior and content is something I've seen from town more than I have from mafia at their level of experience. If you look at all the posts in an ISO it's a lot of uncertainty in the beginning, confusion in the middle, and attempts to organize how to approach the end of this day in the latest posts.

Do you think the weight of any issues you have with b100 or Armadillo deserves as much pressure as Ace or Mogyay giving us very little? I think I'm gonna put my vote on Ace for the time being while saying that anyone with their name in yellow/part yellow is a wagon I'd be willing to move onto depending on what other people I have the most confidence about being town want.

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He/him, sorry I think you had an RQS before the game began? I'll throw my answers down to that now that I've gotten the work of catching up overwith.

Okay, thanks! And to answer your question about Ace and Mogyay, personally I don't think I've heard enough from them to have a good enough opinion. Ace was the one to first reccomend us voting instead of no elimination and I think that seemed pretty town-like, because he wasn't shouting out names first thing.

I think today I might vote for b100m, especially over Ace.
Here's my little list:
Good: Geoni, Me, Koopa, and probably Sheep.
Middle: Ace, Armadilloand Volt. I understand that Volt's opinions are different than mine, however it seems that they have the intent to solve, not get someone out.
Yeah um: B100m

 

[Ace Marvel]

Tessa and I were mafia buddies during a game so she @ and talking to me is NAI, but I can see Tessa is looking for a familiar face.

 

[tessa grace]

Tessa and I were mafia buddies during a game so she @ and talking to me is NAI, but I can see Tessa is looking for a familiar face.

wait what does NAI mean?

 

[King koopa]

Alright then, so we're all voting for b100ming?

 

[Geoni]

Yeah I think I'm going to keep my vote on nobody, but like tessa, i would like to hear more from other people in case I should vote for armadillo again.
Here's how I view everyone though it's subject to change:
Definitely not mafia:
Me
tessa
Geoni
Might be mafia, but I'm not too sure:
Voltairenism
Ace marvel
armadillo
mogyay
suspicious of:
B100ming
Let me know if I should move anyone. Basically I think since Ace and b100ming are yellow on @Geoni's more detailed list, I think we should vote one of those two.
Ace I'm less suspicious of, since he's not as active as b100ming, so there isn't much information we have but we have more with b100ming

What did you think of Ace randomly saying he liked you? That remains the only take I can remember. And why I'm voting him.

b100ming is inconsistent in what they're doing/how they want to approach but inconsistency is unguarded. If everyone else wants to go there by end of day I'm fine with it based on the information we have but I feel like I want to have a back and forth with them to know what their mindset is about this game. And volt's actions in the game so far need to be unpacked.

And speaking of back and forth let me try and have a back and forth with you real quick about your progression. Let me grab a few quotes.

 

[Ace Marvel]

So I'm saying it now, if you want to vote for low activity, I probably won't be able to change that.

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I hope it's not a secret weapon of destruction

I remember now, I lol at this.