Mafia August 2021 Mafia Game- Town Win!

[Geoni]

b100 votes were mafia led in my opinion. before I left i even said that b100 sus had basically no foundation except for association with armadillo.

the armadillo killing is either framing or blue sniping imo. I was very NO WE ARE NOT KILLING ARMADILLO TODAY yesterday because I thought that armadillo was softing cop, but I'm not sure on how popular this opinion is. The nk makes me think we have at least one experienced player in the mafia team

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I still have a gut feeling but I won't pursue it today. I don't really have an explanation tho

'b100 votes were mafia led' ...just say you continue to sus tessa and sus Koopa too.

I'm trying so hard to look at you from a fresh neutral perspective for a moment but it's posts like these that bring me back to finding you sus. I was waiting for someone to say this exact thing, I thought it would have been Ace but it turned out to be you. I'm not sure about Koopa but everyone else alive has experience of some sort. Sheep has said they observed multiple games.

Idk why we haven't heard from Tessa still, we only have 22 hours left, most people will go to bed in five to nine hoursish...which are going to be very busy hours for me. I wake up just before EoD because of my work schedule. It's getting pretty frustrating.

Koopa is suddenly a ghost.

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Responding to quotes in a bit but I have some thoughts and possibly things I'd like to hear more about.

1. Ace/Volt

I'm not the biggest fan of the meta based vote just because it feels a bit opportunistic to me to use an off-site meta reason like that so close to EOD while no-one except Volt and Ace know how true it is. Volt was still very much missing at this point too so all we ever had to go off of was Ace. Granted Ace wouldn't have known Volt was going to miss EOD entirely, but I still just do not like the play. I guess I'd like to hear more about what everyone else thinks of his?

2. Mog

Why did Mog not vote at all? She was here 4 mins before EOD and even remarked on how close to EOD it was and did not vote still. There are earlier posts by her that state her disdain for not voting alongside a post earlier of her stating she knows she has to vote. Mog has also already been here since the day started and didn't comment on not voting at all?? I find all this really weird.

I'm concerned about those uses of meta as well so I'm with you about it in regards to Ace which is why I asked him earlier. And Mog? Yeah, starting to find that Mog is really avoiding doing anything in the game, all she's done is make a weird potentially TMI defense of b100 and nothing else. Now she's like 'I'll do something tomorrow I hate Mondays' when tomorrow is LITERALLY EOD. And I won't be around for most of Tuesday up until maybe the last hour. She's still a shot in the dark because mog has historically been a bit low commitment when joining games (sorry but it's just how I remember you) but at this point there's a chance it could be a mafia hit.

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On second thought I probably shouldn't outright Volt just because of what I quoted. I was thinking it so can I really fault her for saying she was thinking it too? What was her intention with spilling that thought though, to steer us away from voting Koopa or maybe Sheep?

@voltairenism current thoughts on Koopa?

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Sheep Villager

tessa

Ace Marvel

Koopa, mog, Volt

I hesitate to put Sheep in darker green but I feel better about sheep than tessa? I have to find confidence in someone or I'll stay insane. We really need an extra 24 hours to this day tbh.

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@Sheep Villager who would you be open to voting right now if this was EoD and you had no time left?

 

[Sheep Villager]

@Sheep Villager who would you be open to voting right now if this was EoD and you had no time left?

Right now? Ace, Mog, Koopa. One of the bunch, mostly due to my recent concerns. Nothing that has been said has exactly made me feel any better about them. I feel maybe Mogs response seemed to have some emotion behind it, at least but idk.

I genuinely would like more content from all of them though, but there isn't a lot of talking going on. Koopa especially for me since a lot of my feelings about him stem from the flipflopping yesterday.

I'm also working on several non-game related papers but I can do some back-and-forth real quick.

 

[tessa grace]

Hi everyone! Today was my first day of school this year so I'm so sorry I couldn't respond, I was busy with school (lmao i hate school). I'm in homeroom now so I'm trying to catch up on the situation. I'll share my thoughts soon. Sorry for the disappearance!

 

[Geoni]

Hi everyone! Today was my first day of school this year so I'm so sorry I couldn't respond, I was busy with school (lmao i hate school). I'm in homeroom now so I'm trying to catch up on the situation. I'll share my thoughts soon. Sorry for the disappearance!

If you could share those thoughts sometime tonight that'd be awesome. Since tomorrow is sleepytime up until the last minute for me.

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Right now? Ace, Mog, Koopa. One of the bunch, mostly due to my recent concerns. Nothing that has been said has exactly made me feel any better about them. I feel maybe Mogs response seemed to have some emotion behind it, at least but idk.

I genuinely would like more content from all of them though, but there isn't a lot of talking going on. Koopa especially for me since a lot of my feelings about him stem from the flipflopping yesterday.

I'm also working on several non-game related papers but I can do some back-and-forth real quick.

Emotion is kinda NAI for Mog unless you're reaaaally good at reading emotion. I'm not the greatest at it. What gives you confidence to think Volt is not a wolf?

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@Koopadude100 I would love to hear from you today, we don't have a ton of time left and I want to know what you think about everyone's votes and reasons for them yesterday, maybe a brief list of who you think is town and who you think could still be mafia.

 

[Sheep Villager]

If you could share those thoughts sometime tonight that'd be awesome. Since tomorrow is sleepytime up until the last minute for me.

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Emotion is kinda NAI for Mog unless you're reaaaally good at reading emotion. I'm not the greatest at it. What gives you confidence to think Volt is not a wolf?

I've not spectated a Mog game before since that would be before I got interested in the Mafia scene on tbt I believe? Good to know regarding the emotion bit; I am not the best at emotions admittedly either.

Regarding Volt. I'll be honest and say I don't know. Volt does also fall somewhere in the low neutrals at highest, but I feel Volt hasn't been the weirdest out of everyone here. The gut thing is still really weird but Volt seems to have chilled out on it after the night a bit.

 

[tessa grace]

Okay, to start, I wanna talk about what Volt said:

b100 votes were mafia led in my opinion. before I left i even said that b100 sus had basically no foundation except for association with armadillo.

the armadillo killing is either framing or blue sniping imo. I was very NO WE ARE NOT KILLING ARMADILLO TODAY yesterday because I thought that armadillo was softing cop, but I'm not sure on how popular this opinion is. The nk makes me think we have at least one experienced player in the mafia team

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I still have a gut feeling but I won't pursue it today. I don't really have an explanation tho

Honestly Volt I really don't think you are mafia. Everything that you've done so far has still made me think that you are part of the Town team because you genuinely are trying to solve and figure out who the mafia is. The gut feeling however, has no explanation and just doesn't make any sense.
How are my feelings for everyone else? Well:
Volt: Most likely town, they really do seem that way to me.
Geoni: I could easily see them being either town actually just leading the game or mafia in control. Also I agree with Volt in his opinion that the NK could show that there is an experienced player on the team.
Mogyay: I honestly have been feeling like the quietness and not huge voice and opinion could possibly be mafia? For now neutral.
Sheep Villager: They've been really helpful so Im going to say town.
Koopa: The change of opinion and quickly agreeing makes me lean more towards mafia for you, sadly :C
Ace Marvel: You're pretty difficult to read, IMO. Could be an experienced mafia in this game, however usually you're just asking people for their opinion, so it's hard to get info from you interrogating.

Honestly the kill on Armadillo was strange. If I were mafia I would've killed an experienced player like Geoni. However, that could also just be mafia trying to frame somebody else. Who knows.

Anyways that's all I have to say ATM. I'm going on a hike today/tonight but hopefully I'll be active in the later hours- (around 8-11 pm MST? We'll see.)




I'm going on a hike today/tonight but hopefully I'll be active in the later hours- (around 8-11 pm MST? We'll see.)

 

[mogyay]

i'm not saying i'm not here & actively reading the thread, i actually have some comments i'd like to make, i just meant actual reads because i hate them and they always feel like a chore, i like just.. talking. so you kind of misinterpreted my post

and yes, i do think that there is mafia in amongst the blooming vote, i think it's only logical, i'm never going to be sure about anything because it's the type of player i am but they seemed just so genuine, and also a new player that seemed like an easy target. sheep villager admitted they don't feel strongly, sussed someone else more strongly (koopa) and were somehow not surprised they were town? that's not really helpful, if you weren't surprised then why couldn't you have shared that

i don't see a world in where volt is mafia since they could have saved themselves tho so that's nice

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the armadillo death is super weird because mafia could have easily framed them due to the last minute vote on volt right? that could have created a lot of pointless conversation throughout the day they could have worked with, i wonder what that's about

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maybe mafia want us to think it's inexperienced people, that'd make sense kind of, i don't see why else they would have been killed, they probably want to frame someone, i'm just not sure who. there's so many more players that'd make sense to kill

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actually never mind, i'm being stupid with the volt comment lol, they would have saved themselves either way but armadillo only voted with like 5 minutes to go so they probably wouldn't have had a chance to

 

[voltairenism]

'b100 votes were mafia led' ...just say you continue to sus tessa and sus Koopa too.

I'm trying so hard to look at you from a fresh neutral perspective for a moment but it's posts like these that bring me back to finding you sus. I was waiting for someone to say this exact thing, I thought it would have been Ace but it turned out to be you. I'm not sure about Koopa but everyone else alive has experience of some sort. Sheep has said they observed multiple games.

i said i still sus tessa in this very post,,, I won't tunnel her. where did Koopa come from though? You say you were expecting for someone so say it, but what regards? like, it was an easy take to have? i dont get it what's your point

 

[King koopa]

Sorry I haven't been posting, was busy. So now that bl00ming and armadillo are now dead, let's now think about who it could be. Honestly I don't have any idea as of yet, but if anyone has someone who they think is mafia, nows the time to talk

 

[mogyay]

Sorry I haven't been posting, was busy. So now that bl00ming and armadillo are now dead, let's now think about who it could be. Honestly I don't have any idea as of yet, but if anyone has someone who they think is mafia, nows the time to talk

why did you vote bloom? u said u explained it but i can't see where lol, was it rly just coz of geoni apparently knowing more than u? i'm just curious lol

 

[voltairenism]

I guess that's fair enough. Asking for old game examples of the behaviour on tbt would risk being out of date. I still don't enjoy the play for reasons I already stated. Can I ask why you didn't post about it earlier on though?

Also regarding my b100m vote;

If I had voted for who I actually wanted to yesterday it would have been Koopa. No-one else seemed to be that interested in voting for him though so it was stuck between b100m, Volt and No-Vote. As I've mentioned I did not feel comfortable switching my vote to Volt for an off-site meta reason I had no way of confirming. I do agree I don't like the whole gut-instinct thing going on though.

im also one to not make vanity votes when the wagons are tied, but I find quite awkward when people explain their votes. but just a mental note. anyhow, why koopa? if you explained sorry ill read back

 

[mogyay]

id honestly eat a hat if koopa was mafia, what a power play thatd all be tho

 

[King koopa]

why did you vote bloom? u said u explained it but i can't see where lol, was it rly just coz of geoni apparently knowing more than u? i'm just curious lol

I voted her because she seemed a bit off and her vote no one rule made me and others suspicious. I mean, this agme is like among us. You have to vote, otherwise everyone will die. Geoni does slightly know more than me, but that wasn't why I voted her.

 

[mogyay]

geoni do you not think the blooming vote was mafia? i noticed you town read 2/3? so you think koopa is the mastermind then? i just don't see how you can feel that was a town vote imo

 

[tessa grace]

id honestly eat a hat if koopa was mafia, what a power play thatd all be tho

the power play being you eating a hat or koopa being mafia?

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also why do we think the b100m vote is mafia? i guess i don't really have a reason to explain myself, i just thought she was the best vote. now, looking at koopa's previous actions yesterday, i see why i was wrong.(oml i really should start rereading posts before joining a vote wagon) i wish i was there for end of day

 

[Sheep Villager]

im also one to not make vanity votes when the wagons are tied, but I find quite awkward when people explain their votes. but just a mental note. anyhow, why koopa? if you explained sorry ill read back

There's a post about it before EOD, a pretty long one. Mainly boils down to not enjoying how he kept swapping votes based on other people, sometimes even conflicting himself mid post.

and yes, i do think that there is mafia in amongst the blooming vote, i think it's only logical, i'm never going to be sure about anything because it's the type of player i am but they seemed just so genuine, and also a new player that seemed like an easy target. sheep villager admitted they don't feel strongly, sussed someone else more strongly (koopa) and were somehow not surprised they were town? that's not really helpful, if you weren't surprised then why couldn't you have shared that

I am literally about to go crash so forgive me but my brain is not keeping up here in regards to what you mean. Feel free to explain it to me like I'm 5 years old so I can see it tomorrow when I wake up and feel really dumb.

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All that said I am going to go pass out now, I'm sorry to any NA people for my difficult awake patterns.
If you have anything you want me to respond to just ping me and I'll get back to it when I'm awake.

 

[mogyay]

There's a post about it before EOD, a pretty long one. Mainly boils down to not enjoying how he kept swapping votes based on other people, sometimes even conflicting himself mid post.



I am literally about to go crash so forgive me but my brain is not keeping up here in regards to what you mean. Feel free to explain it to me like I'm 5 years old so I can see it tomorrow when I wake up and feel really dumb.

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All that said I am going to go pass out now, I'm sorry to any NA people for my difficult awake patterns.
If you have anything you want me to respond to just ping me and I'll get back to it when I'm awake.

lmaoo it's probably me that's dumb, i'm EU too so i feel u. i just meant that i think it's odd that you were not surprised that bloom was town considering you voted for her and seemed to have more suspicions on other people (like koopa) but i guess i didn't see you explaining that no one else seemed to share those view points, it probably would have been worth pushing though imo if you thought bloom would be town? unless i'm misunderstanding what u said. it's just one of the first comments after dan revealed her role was u weren't surprised idk. anyways, good night !!!

im not saying its completely mafia, but i rlllllly think someone has got to be in there. just seemed too easy. i think most exp players would be able to tell she was just noob town? altho im saying that with the benefit of hindsight and i also did nothing so who am i to talk

 

[voltairenism]

There's a post about it before EOD, a pretty long one. Mainly boils down to not enjoying how he kept swapping votes based on other people, sometimes even conflicting himself mid post.

hehe ty is it clear already that im very lost in this game

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i'm not saying i'm not here & actively reading the thread, i actually have some comments i'd like to make, i just meant actual reads because i hate them and they always feel like a chore, i like just.. talking. so you kind of misinterpreted my post

and yes, i do think that there is mafia in amongst the blooming vote, i think it's only logical, i'm never going to be sure about anything because it's the type of player i am but they seemed just so genuine, and also a new player that seemed like an easy target. sheep villager admitted they don't feel strongly, sussed someone else more strongly (koopa) and were somehow not surprised they were town? that's not really helpful, if you weren't surprised then why couldn't you have shared that

i don't see a world in where volt is mafia since they could have saved themselves tho so that's nice

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the armadillo death is super weird because mafia could have easily framed them due to the last minute vote on volt right? that could have created a lot of pointless conversation throughout the day they could have worked with, i wonder what that's about

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maybe mafia want us to think it's inexperienced people, that'd make sense kind of, i don't see why else they would have been killed, they probably want to frame someone, i'm just not sure who. there's so many more players that'd make sense to kill

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actually never mind, i'm being stupid with the volt comment lol, they would have saved themselves either way but armadillo only voted with like 5 minutes to go so they probably wouldn't have had a chance to

yeah I would suggest to have me not voting as NAI bc regardless of alignment i was just miles away from being able to post even before my wagon started

 

[Geoni]

Work has me up and down, phone freezes every other time I scroll, forum is giving me security messages, so bear with me here.

Okay, to start, I wanna talk about what Volt said:



Honestly Volt I really don't think you are mafia. Everything that you've done so far has still made me think that you are part of the Town team because you genuinely are trying to solve and figure out who the mafia is. The gut feeling however, has no explanation and just doesn't make any sense.
How are my feelings for everyone else? Well:
Volt: Most likely town, they really do seem that way to me.
Geoni: I could easily see them being either town actually just leading the game or mafia in control. Also I agree with Volt in his opinion that the NK could show that there is an experienced player on the team.
Mogyay: I honestly have been feeling like the quietness and not huge voice and opinion could possibly be mafia? For now neutral.
Sheep Villager: They've been really helpful so Im going to say town.
Koopa: The change of opinion and quickly agreeing makes me lean more towards mafia for you, sadly :C
Ace Marvel: You're pretty difficult to read, IMO. Could be an experienced mafia in this game, however usually you're just asking people for their opinion, so it's hard to get info from you interrogating.

Honestly the kill on Armadillo was strange. If I were mafia I would've killed an experienced player like Geoni. However, that could also just be mafia trying to frame somebody else. Who knows.

Anyways that's all I have to say ATM. I'm going on a hike today/tonight but hopefully I'll be active in the later hours- (around 8-11 pm MST? We'll see.)




I'm going on a hike today/tonight but hopefully I'll be active in the later hours- (around 8-11 pm MST? We'll see.)

So you don't know what to make of the kill but you apparently agree with Volt that "an experienced player" must be on the team because it seems like an attempt to snipe out a power role under your read of me. Are you suggesting it was an attempt to frame me or another experienced player while also agreeing that someone was trying to get rid of a power role?

Have a h

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Hit post reply prematurely. Lemme see what else to address from this readslist.

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Why are you sad about saying you think Koopa is mafia?

Since it's my biggest hang up, I will say that newer players tend to sheep things as town too and I have experienced many a tragedy from eliminating them on something like that alone so I ask people who find him leaning bad to explain why they think it can't possibly be that scenario. For me I am still needing to reread him for any other towny things like doubt and posts that suggest him not being in the know already and intent to figure out what is going on.

Your thoughts on Mog...is it already too soon to ask for you to update that read? I will update mine on her in a moment. But she has been far less quiet these last few posts.

In regards to your Ace read I'm again flagged by the use of the term experienced player coming off as you reinforcing it as a reason to doubt someone alone. What do you think Ace is doing with that interrogating then? Tbh I agree with Ace being hard to read though lol.

Seriously though I am suddenly getting worried about you because I have seen you ready to say you think very LHF people (Armadillo, b100, Koopa) are mafia while not directly going at more experienced folks but instead just... reinforcing an air of doubt on them but nothing more? Level with me here.

 

[tessa grace]

Work has me up and down, phone freezes every other time I scroll, forum is giving me security messages, so bear with me here.



So you don't know what to make of the kill but you apparently agree with Volt that "an experienced player" must be on the team because it seems like an attempt to snipe out a power role under your read of me. Are you suggesting it was an attempt to frame me or another experienced player while also agreeing that someone was trying to get rid of a power role?

Have a h

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Hit post reply prematurely. Lemme see what else to address from this readslist.

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Why are you sad about saying you think Koopa is mafia?

Since it's my biggest hang up, I will say that newer players tend to sheep things as town too and I have experienced many a tragedy from eliminating them on something like that alone so I ask people who find him leaning bad to explain why they think it can't possibly be that scenario. For me I am still needing to reread him for any other towny things like doubt and posts that suggest him not being in the know already and intent to figure out what is going on.

Your thoughts on Mog...is it already too soon to ask for you to update that read? I will update mine on her in a moment. But she has been far less quiet these last few posts.

In regards to your Ace read I'm again flagged by the use of the term experienced player coming off as you reinforcing it as a reason to doubt someone alone. What do you think Ace is doing with that interrogating then? Tbh I agree with Ace being hard to read though lol.

Seriously though I am suddenly getting worried about you because I have seen you ready to say you think very LHF people (Armadillo, b100, Koopa) are mafia while not directly going at more experienced folks but instead just... reinforcing an air of doubt on them but nothing more? Level with me here.

Okay to start I'm sad that koopa would be mafia cause I wanna be on the same team with him.

I'm not directly going at you or other experienced players because I don't have enough evidence to really make a solid argument. And if we're being honest with ourselves, you could easily turn town against me (hypothetically if you are mafia) because of the trust you built while trying to lead the game. Volt is thinking I'm mafia already so if I try to push on the experienced player vote it could easily backfire.

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Also sorry if stuff is weird I'm in a car so my wifi is spotty