Mafia August 2021 Mafia Game- Town Win!

[Geoni]

I understand that this is only for myself but it'll help me have confidence on who to case as the most common denominator between the pairings.

I can only imagine how difficult it would be to find in thread interactions if Koopa was alive in this F5 and Ace was town so I don't feel as bad at all now even if that common denominator does turn out to be Ace.

He's a start. Suffice to say he has some distance from both Sheep and Mog. The distance created from Sheep is from Sheep's side in yesterday's vote and the distance from Mog is because of Ace finding Mog 'eek'.

Sheep would have had to have been trapped in stances if it's Ace/Sheep and Mog and Ace need to have an interaction that feels it couldn't have possibly been theater or otherwise it's been theater.

But I will take a break and explore the very unexplored Mog/Sheep.

If Volt is a wolf I already lost town the game by making the call that Volt or Mog wouldn't have been so risky and that Volt and Sheep really felt like they didn't have anything but this thread to communicate. I think the last scenario is the most likely. There's also the very slight possibility that Ace was trapped on a stance that b100 is town so he couldn't bring it out of rand without risking a lot of sus. But man I just need to keep at least one towny for the sake of PoE.

 

[Geoni]

Compilation of interactions towards Mog from Sheep:

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Both me and Mog have posted in the first few pages!

I'm very much actively in the game, I was just asleep when a lot of the conversation happened. I guess I should mention my time-zone is very weird due to being in EU. I'll try to post when I go sleep in the future so people know when I'm off being unconscious.

I just woke up so I'm not at full brain power or anything right now. Looks like a lot of filler when I skimmed. Armadillo and Bl00m are a bit weird but I'm not sure how much of that is just being new and excited to post? Bl00m did go silent after people expressed some light suspicion but that might be time-zones at play again. If we were voting just based on silence then I would be an entire hypocrite given what I just said about my own stuff.

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Also regarding my stance on the voting vs not voting: I'll have to think it over a bit more. I have a few IRL obligations coming up as we speak, but I will try to form an opinion next time I'm back to post.

No worries at all. I didn't exactly make myself too well known at the start anyway because I'm not the best at small talk and that's what a lot of the posts around the first pages were.

I think we're still missing Geoni in their entirety and Mog has only posted the answers. Hopefully both of em show up before EOD at least.

Notes.

voltairenism - Not a lot of content surprisingly. The Tessa bit interests me due to the fact shouldn't Tessa acting different be a good thing if she has been on a mafia streak? No reads posted either for some reason despite having been online. I find this silence a bit weird.

thetessagrace - If I understand correctly the whole Armadillo dealio was more because she wanted to start discussion and didn't want to enable the no-vote route. Feels like a pretty strong move to make, in fact too strong for mafia so it reads more as towny to me.

b100ming - I'm seeing a tiny bit more independence now, which I like. However I'm not really picking up on a solid response to being one of the running votes now. Volts question went ignored in fact despite the voting situation. Most likely reading too much in to it but after Armadillo got more read as confused town I started seeing more posts about being confused from her.

Geoni - I admittedly have deathtunneled people in my spectating before for being too in control and that is something I am consciously trying to not repeat without good reason. Right now Geoni seems to be pushing town along on a path that does not bother me. I see a lot of helping the newer players try to explain themselves or form their own opinions, for now none of that has seemed overtly manipulative to me. I'm currently reading Geoni as town.

Ace Marvel - I mainly know Ace as an aggressive player from my past spectating, however he is doing low-effort this time. I will note Ace dodged the question Geoni asked regarding Tessa/Volt entirely and I also notice that this is the point where I see more of the familiar Ace aggression pop up. In fact, the Tessa/Volt bit did not even come up in his reads afterwards at all.

Armadillo Lover - I read her as confused town for now. The display of emotions so far has seemed on par with something you'd see out of a new player. Outside of the emotions I've not seen much content though and I will be keeping this in mind going forward. I don't expect an essay from a new person though.

Koopadude100 - I lean a bit in the not-trusting direction as of now. There's a whole bunch of flipflopping going on that often leans on other players. I cannot place if this is new town behaviour or new mafia behaviour in trying to play it safe by appealing to everyone. One instance that very much stuck out to me was him saying B100m was the best vote however then immediately going:

"however Ace marvel is also suspicious too, so I recommend voting them."

That's... a pretty weird flipflop to me. I understand it most likely has to do with Geoni having a big impact, but the willingness to push aside his own thoughts on the best vote just to start slightly pushing someone elses vote leaves me feeling a bit strange. ... and then in his next post Ace is okay again. I can't keep up man.

Also I noticed I was missing from his reads. Human error I suppose as I do not see what he could gain from this, unless we assume this is an attempt to frame me as maf via putting distance between us if he gets voted out and ends up being maf?? Feels a bit too advanced for a new player.

Mog - Literally null and I'm half expecting a rep to happen. The only even remote connection you could make in her case is one of her only posts using friendly language towards cabin mates in the event. I believe during the last game happening during a team event one of the mafia member used similar language. This is a non-point though, imo.

Conclusions as of now.

Geoni. Armadillo. Tessa.
Volt. Ace Marvel. b100ming. Koopa

mogyay.


Who am I willing to vote?

Koopa is bothering me the most honestly with the flipflopping.
B100m I am fine with voting. I don't feel as strongly rn though. It's better than a non-vote.

Volt+Ace I am needing extra content from before I'm fully open to voting.

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I cannot find the post anymore but @Geoni asked about someone being EU I believe and I can confirm that would be me in my weird EU timezone.

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I will also now go grab a bite to eat so if someone replies to my notes/reads expect a reply in 40mins.

Responding to quotes in a bit but I have some thoughts and possibly things I'd like to hear more about.

1. Ace/Volt

I'm not the biggest fan of the meta based vote just because it feels a bit opportunistic to me to use an off-site meta reason like that so close to EOD while no-one except Volt and Ace know how true it is. Volt was still very much missing at this point too so all we ever had to go off of was Ace. Granted Ace wouldn't have known Volt was going to miss EOD entirely, but I still just do not like the play. I guess I'd like to hear more about what everyone else thinks of his?

2. Mog

Why did Mog not vote at all? She was here 4 mins before EOD and even remarked on how close to EOD it was and did not vote still. There are earlier posts by her that state her disdain for not voting alongside a post earlier of her stating she knows she has to vote. Mog has also already been here since the day started and didn't comment on not voting at all?? I find all this really weird.

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No solid guesses, just concerns.



Argue was too strong of a word so that's my bad. I more so meant I felt people were going to bring it up inevitably due to how extreme of a change it was for her to go from preaching no-vote for 2 (irl) days and then last minute switching.

Right now? Ace, Mog, Koopa. One of the bunch, mostly due to my recent concerns. Nothing that has been said has exactly made me feel any better about them. I feel maybe Mogs response seemed to have some emotion behind it, at least but idk.

I genuinely would like more content from all of them though, but there isn't a lot of talking going on. Koopa especially for me since a lot of my feelings about him stem from the flipflopping yesterday.

I'm also working on several non-game related papers but I can do some back-and-forth real quick.

I've not spectated a Mog game before since that would be before I got interested in the Mafia scene on tbt I believe? Good to know regarding the emotion bit; I am not the best at emotions admittedly either.

Regarding Volt. I'll be honest and say I don't know. Volt does also fall somewhere in the low neutrals at highest, but I feel Volt hasn't been the weirdest out of everyone here. The gut thing is still really weird but Volt seems to have chilled out on it after the night a bit.

And I'm back to post thoughts.

1. Ace
I'm even less of a fan of his behaviour than I was yesterday. I flat out do not like the approach of 'everyone doing bare minimum so I will also do that', especially when coming from someone who earlier on yesterday expressed desire to not see the game die. He also straight up ignored the question I had about why he waited so long to post re: volt on d1. All this almost comes off as borderline coasting to me and I'm not sure how typical something like that is for Ace. I at least cannot remember right off the bat ever seeing something like that given how aggressive I remember him to be. Volt has now also commented on the meta thing and called it in to question a bit, which additionally does not inspire trust in Ace for me.

2. Koopa
Koopa is not my d2 vote unless it's between him and one of my current more town-read people. I don't feel a Koopa flip would be as valuable right now as Ace/Volt due to how Koopa has been playing this game. First flipflopping and then going silent and not providing anything at all. All of this is still very 'safe' behaviour where he doesn't have to speak his own mind on things. I think solving if Koopa is confused town or scared mafia will have to wait until d3 if they don't get nk'd. I'd really liked to have heard his thoughts on things before anyone else voted.

3. Mog
If we want to be conspiracy theory for a bit it could be possible Mog/Koopa are teamed due to Mog being so consistently on the side of new players that it wouldn't raise suspicion for her to not suspect Koopa ever. Before I dwell too much on that I would like to see the current Ace/Volt debacle resolve somehow. Also she did promise some explanation that involves Koopa so that's something I want to see.

4. Volt
Some of the reason I'm currently not as suspicious of Volt as I am of Ace does stem from the behaviours Ace has exhibited. I guess I should consider the possibility both of them are mafia though as despite everything going on they haven't interacted a lot? I don't feel Volt d1 had anything weird going on besides the gut thing. Post quality on d1 being low does not surprise me since the filler was admittedly a bit all-consuming (at least to me) and made early d1 posting hard. I'd like to see some actual reads posted by Volt? Not having any out despite it being d2 is a bit strange.

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Regarding my game experience since there has been some confusion:
Started spectating mafia on tbt around end of Marioverse Kingmaker, first full game I read was the Karen mafia one.
I repped for the dethy that happened before this one but was only around for one day. This is my first actual player game.

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Current reads

Geoni, Tessa
Volt Mog Koopa
Ace

I will say what I think but I think I am going to do five more of these to explore all the combos and see which pairing makes the least sense as being partnered based on the interactions.

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Compilation of interactions towards Sheep from Mog (see also: mog voted sheep D2):

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omg pls don't mod kill me or kill me, i promise i'm town and i swear on my hamsters life i'll become the most active person in the world but i kind of heavily messed up the timings of this game and i'm currently at my sister's end of year art degree show (she just finished her masters)

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i understand completely if i need to be replaced and i'm rly sry, i always do this mb i promise to do better, i should have prefaced by saying i had a busy few days but also i can't lie, i haven't read up on much and i'm not even home yet, pls forgive

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oh crap i just realised i have to vote someone tho and that's the whole point in this game so i'm gonna have to like rush read and probably make a terrible decision so that's fun

actual hate stuff like this coz the game wasn't even that long started and we still had 24 hours so why even bring this up as a suggestion at this point? bring it up at this stage by all means but just seems odd to suggest it and seems odd to agree

can someone explain why bl00ming is suspicious coz i don't get it

ok i should probably read the whole thing before posting sry sheep villager, altho i still think its weird u said it to begin with. armidillo the whole point of mafia is taking a risk, ur prob never gonna be 100% sure or 100% trust urself esp if ur town, but its kinda the only way to win lol

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i dont like voting new ppl coz it feels mean and its hard to even read them at all, like im more suspicious of anyone having a hard maf leaning on them if its someones first game its just so confusing and ur prob not gonna be totally authentic either way. i know thats illogical as an opinion and im not saying i wont but i just dont like it lol , esp right at the beginning when theyre just getting a feel

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@Geoni the reason I said I was voting for you was because @Armadillo lover said something about being worried that the currently inactive people were mafia and hadn’t checked yet, and you were not on at all at that time, so I voted you. Probably a time zone thing though. And then they said the inactive ones were gonna be kicked off anyway if they didn’t come on. So I was gonna change it, but I couldn’t decide if I should vote for someone or not. Then Koopa’s suggestion that if armadillo was mafia then I was to, or it was an either or thing. At the start I was sus of ace for saying we should vote someone off every time, which seemed like a way mafia could turn town against each other and win. Then my internal processor - I mean, uh, brain - was overloaded so I had to fix that. I’m really confused on who to vote now and I’d kinda feel bad about voting someone off cuz I’m worried they’ll take it personally.

i rllllly dont think anyone new who is maf would have the balls to vote geoni, ive played so many games and i still havent developed the balls to even think of him for vote day one lmao. makes more sense she is town and voting for being inactive seems logical. idk this post just screams authentic to me (unless im dumb) - again i cant imagine a maf player just deciding to say its sus to vote someone everyday lmao, unless ur doing the biggest bluff ever but thats too impressive for someone new idk

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i messed up that quote sory
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honestly it was a huge oversight, i should have voted volt to keep bl00ming in i suppose but i didn't, i was scared of doing the wrong thing and it felt like a lot of pressure to choose, i know that's terrible of me and will cause huge suspicion that's the truth. i didn't have enough proof of volt being mafia to really justify it, i'm sorry

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i will post reads tomorrow geoni, i hate mondays

also sheep villager, i feel like ur point is semi redundant, i said i hated the fact they said no vote so early on in the game, i think we were all aware someone was getting voted out yday lmao

lmaoo it's probably me that's dumb, i'm EU too so i feel u. i just meant that i think it's odd that you were not surprised that bloom was town considering you voted for her and seemed to have more suspicions on other people (like koopa) but i guess i didn't see you explaining that no one else seemed to share those view points, it probably would have been worth pushing though imo if you thought bloom would be town? unless i'm misunderstanding what u said. it's just one of the first comments after dan revealed her role was u weren't surprised idk. anyways, good night !!!

im not saying its completely mafia, but i rlllllly think someone has got to be in there. just seemed too easy. i think most exp players would be able to tell she was just noob town? altho im saying that with the benefit of hindsight and i also did nothing so who am i to talk

What do you mean? Sheep is also another living player who voted blooming? I don’t particularly love tessa either but I thought i should place a vote for now

also sorry for being sensitive, I just don’t really appreciate all the comments coz it makes me feel useless and stupid, this is my first games in a few years so I’m just easing in and don’t want to get overwhelmed sorry.

in my maybe simplified opinion I don’t see how mafia couldn’t have lead or at least encouraged that vote since to me blooming had a lot of town tells, I don’t think it’s koopa which I’ll elaborate later

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Is this sheeps first game? I thought they’d played before?

i was only kidding about geoni btw, i just meant coz he survived 2 nights lol. i dont know sheep at all and ur truly reaching lmao with ur last point

altho i still stand by mafia being in the blooming vote and since 2/3 are now confirmed town i guess that only leaves sheep. ive not been keen on sheep from the start so im fine

im absolutely not letting anyone lynch me today soz, i will genuinely fight to the death but im not losing it for town, someone else can but im defo not

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ugh also i wish some older members were here, im legit well known for my mafia play, im the most obvious player of all time im just lazy, its a bad habit but im not on the bad side

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i didnt even want to vote koopa or blooming, if i was mafia i would have pushed for them. i was basically forced into the koopa vote coz he was being beyond sus and there was a wagon on volt forming, i dont blame myself for that

 

[Geoni]

All posts from Ace mentioning it interacting with Sheep:

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Yeah I can also do that, and so does Volt.

I have almost 100 games in a little more than a year, but just like you said, this is low effort. TBT is not where I play now, and I joined to help Daniel fill the game, because even if this is not my main hub anymore, I don't want to see mafia die here, Hence why I want to help games here, but beyond that I will be low activity and don't confuse that with not caring, just that I won't be here like I used to, I won't be emotionally invested like I used too, because games here and to end badly when that happen.

When I started seeing, the lets not vote and you wanting to vote someone is mafia, and then the we are friends we don't lie, I lost interest in being part of that conversation.

So you might remember me like a mover and shaker, but honestly you won't see it here, suss me for that if you want.


Game wise
After seeing Koopa reaction to follow you, I'm not so sure of that player so much anymore. Koopa went from vote whoever to I will do what Geoni says. And yes new players tend to do that, but it still didn't sit right with me.

Tessa like I said was looking for a familiar face, and the more I think about it, doing so publicly means they can't privately, so my first real town lean read is Tessa.

Volt I like their control of the thread, but seeing how volatile the current state of the thread is, I can see them using that to get townie points.

MOG I really have no opinion, but I like MOG as a person, so I hope to see more of MOG

Sheep I'm glad they decide to join after specing so many games, so I think out of the newbies, they will be the trickiest to read, but so far I liked what I saw of them.

Armadillo is just here for me, but seeing how easily everyone was willing to vote them, makes me think they are town.

Not Armadillo, because some people were sayin that Bloom/Armadillo could be w/v or w/w, but more people tr Armadillo, so I guess maybe.

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I mean games here have been scarce, so I can't really use recent games here. and I would like to remind you, you were voting for the flipped town.

I have nothing to add, I still think it can be Volt, game is super light and everyone is getting away with the bare minimum imo. So I might stick to that.

The experience players thing is tiring for me, because it doesn't mean one experience player is mafia, or maybe two are, roles are rand, so there is that.

Normally I would be sussing Geoni by now, but he has been really chill, so I don't feel Geoni is mafia, also he is controlling the thread yes, but they were uncontested for the role, so I'm okay with it.

Back to Volt, yeah I get why using meta from another game is not ideal, but from my POV I can't ignore it since it happened last week, closes thing here I have to compare it to, is the Dethy but meh.

I dislike the I want to be on the same team as Koopa comment, because it clouds judgement, I don't think Volt would bus Tessa like that, so I think they are w/v if one is wolf.

Koopa is just there, I like the EoD because they decided to act on their own, but they could have been coached to do that.

Sheep idk they were part of wagon, but out of the 3 I think is the less likely, but not by a bunch, no actually I trust Tessa more, because of D1 trying to get to me, since we were mafia buddies a while back.

Mog can be null, but not voting during a tie is eek

Geoni
Tessa
Sheep
Mog
Koopa
Volt

I think this is my read list

You were here EoD, so you could vote.

I think my final read list

Geoni
Tessa
Sheep
Mog
Koppa
Volt

GG town.

I won't be able to be here a lot to defend myself and must of you are voting me anyway.

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Mentioning or interacting*

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All posts from Ace mentioning or interacting with Mog:

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i rllllly dont think anyone new who is maf would have the balls to vote geoni, ive played so many games and i still havent developed the balls to even think of him for vote day one lmao. makes more sense she is town and voting for being inactive seems logical. idk this post just screams authentic to me (unless im dumb) - again i cant imagine a maf player just deciding to say its sus to vote someone everyday lmao, unless ur doing the biggest bluff ever but thats too impressive for someone new idk

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i messed up that quote sory

The pool of players is not big enough to not vote new players and still win, I also think that your logic of new players is flawed because mafia is 2 players, and there is always the possibility that a new player is being coached by someone with more experience.
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That I agree with.

@voltairenism do you still suss Tessa? Can you explain that read please.

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Do you have any guesses?

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Who do you suss then? how do you feel about Volt voting you?

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So you think Tessa, Koopa and Sheep could be mafia?

I have nothing to add, I still think it can be Volt, game is super light and everyone is getting away with the bare minimum imo. So I might stick to that.

The experience players thing is tiring for me, because it doesn't mean one experience player is mafia, or maybe two are, roles are rand, so there is that.

Normally I would be sussing Geoni by now, but he has been really chill, so I don't feel Geoni is mafia, also he is controlling the thread yes, but they were uncontested for the role, so I'm okay with it.

Back to Volt, yeah I get why using meta from another game is not ideal, but from my POV I can't ignore it since it happened last week, closes thing here I have to compare it to, is the Dethy but meh.

I dislike the I want to be on the same team as Koopa comment, because it clouds judgement, I don't think Volt would bus Tessa like that, so I think they are w/v if one is wolf.

Koopa is just there, I like the EoD because they decided to act on their own, but they could have been coached to do that.

Sheep idk they were part of wagon, but out of the 3 I think is the less likely, but not by a bunch, no actually I trust Tessa more, because of D1 trying to get to me, since we were mafia buddies a while back.

Mog can be null, but not voting during a tie is eek

Geoni
Tessa
Sheep
Mog
Koopa
Volt

I think this is my read list

Back to Mog I think is eek, because I said I was against not voting someone out, and then Mog didn't and the reason being not wanting to kill new players. Not votings give us not info, and you are allowed to not vote once, so that is a tool people can use to their advantage if mafia.

You were here EoD, so you could vote.

I think my final read list

Geoni
Tessa
Sheep
Mog
Koppa
Volt

GG town.

I won't be able to be here a lot to defend myself and must of you are voting me anyway.

What do you mean Geoni has to be mafia?

Also yes if we don't kill mafia today the game is over. We also have to kill no matter what.

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@Damniel just to be 100% clear majority is not enabled right?

That leaves

Mog
Sheep
Geoni

Out of those 3 I would like to hear why Mog thinks Geoni is mafia

@voltairenism where you at?

@Sheep Villager @Geoni thoughts?

So Sheep + Mog/Geoni

Out of the two I would say Mog.

 

[Geoni]

All posts from Sheep mentioning or interacting with Ace:

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Notes.

voltairenism - Not a lot of content surprisingly. The Tessa bit interests me due to the fact shouldn't Tessa acting different be a good thing if she has been on a mafia streak? No reads posted either for some reason despite having been online. I find this silence a bit weird.

thetessagrace - If I understand correctly the whole Armadillo dealio was more because she wanted to start discussion and didn't want to enable the no-vote route. Feels like a pretty strong move to make, in fact too strong for mafia so it reads more as towny to me.

b100ming - I'm seeing a tiny bit more independence now, which I like. However I'm not really picking up on a solid response to being one of the running votes now. Volts question went ignored in fact despite the voting situation. Most likely reading too much in to it but after Armadillo got more read as confused town I started seeing more posts about being confused from her.

Geoni - I admittedly have deathtunneled people in my spectating before for being too in control and that is something I am consciously trying to not repeat without good reason. Right now Geoni seems to be pushing town along on a path that does not bother me. I see a lot of helping the newer players try to explain themselves or form their own opinions, for now none of that has seemed overtly manipulative to me. I'm currently reading Geoni as town.

Ace Marvel - I mainly know Ace as an aggressive player from my past spectating, however he is doing low-effort this time. I will note Ace dodged the question Geoni asked regarding Tessa/Volt entirely and I also notice that this is the point where I see more of the familiar Ace aggression pop up. In fact, the Tessa/Volt bit did not even come up in his reads afterwards at all.

Armadillo Lover - I read her as confused town for now. The display of emotions so far has seemed on par with something you'd see out of a new player. Outside of the emotions I've not seen much content though and I will be keeping this in mind going forward. I don't expect an essay from a new person though.

Koopadude100 - I lean a bit in the not-trusting direction as of now. There's a whole bunch of flipflopping going on that often leans on other players. I cannot place if this is new town behaviour or new mafia behaviour in trying to play it safe by appealing to everyone. One instance that very much stuck out to me was him saying B100m was the best vote however then immediately going:

"however Ace marvel is also suspicious too, so I recommend voting them."

That's... a pretty weird flipflop to me. I understand it most likely has to do with Geoni having a big impact, but the willingness to push aside his own thoughts on the best vote just to start slightly pushing someone elses vote leaves me feeling a bit strange. ... and then in his next post Ace is okay again. I can't keep up man.

Also I noticed I was missing from his reads. Human error I suppose as I do not see what he could gain from this, unless we assume this is an attempt to frame me as maf via putting distance between us if he gets voted out and ends up being maf?? Feels a bit too advanced for a new player.

Mog - Literally null and I'm half expecting a rep to happen. The only even remote connection you could make in her case is one of her only posts using friendly language towards cabin mates in the event. I believe during the last game happening during a team event one of the mafia member used similar language. This is a non-point though, imo.

Conclusions as of now.

Geoni. Armadillo. Tessa.
Volt. Ace Marvel. b100ming. Koopa

mogyay.


Who am I willing to vote?

Koopa is bothering me the most honestly with the flipflopping.
B100m I am fine with voting. I don't feel as strongly rn though. It's better than a non-vote.

Volt+Ace I am needing extra content from before I'm fully open to voting.

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I cannot find the post anymore but @Geoni asked about someone being EU I believe and I can confirm that would be me in my weird EU timezone.

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I will also now go grab a bite to eat so if someone replies to my notes/reads expect a reply in 40mins.

Responding to quotes in a bit but I have some thoughts and possibly things I'd like to hear more about.

1. Ace/Volt

I'm not the biggest fan of the meta based vote just because it feels a bit opportunistic to me to use an off-site meta reason like that so close to EOD while no-one except Volt and Ace know how true it is. Volt was still very much missing at this point too so all we ever had to go off of was Ace. Granted Ace wouldn't have known Volt was going to miss EOD entirely, but I still just do not like the play. I guess I'd like to hear more about what everyone else thinks of his?

2. Mog

Why did Mog not vote at all? She was here 4 mins before EOD and even remarked on how close to EOD it was and did not vote still. There are earlier posts by her that state her disdain for not voting alongside a post earlier of her stating she knows she has to vote. Mog has also already been here since the day started and didn't comment on not voting at all?? I find all this really weird.

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No solid guesses, just concerns.



Argue was too strong of a word so that's my bad. I more so meant I felt people were going to bring it up inevitably due to how extreme of a change it was for her to go from preaching no-vote for 2 (irl) days and then last minute switching.

I guess that's fair enough. Asking for old game examples of the behaviour on tbt would risk being out of date. I still don't enjoy the play for reasons I already stated. Can I ask why you didn't post about it earlier on though?

Also regarding my b100m vote;

If I had voted for who I actually wanted to yesterday it would have been Koopa. No-one else seemed to be that interested in voting for him though so it was stuck between b100m, Volt and No-Vote. As I've mentioned I did not feel comfortable switching my vote to Volt for an off-site meta reason I had no way of confirming. I do agree I don't like the whole gut-instinct thing going on though.

Right now? Ace, Mog, Koopa. One of the bunch, mostly due to my recent concerns. Nothing that has been said has exactly made me feel any better about them. I feel maybe Mogs response seemed to have some emotion behind it, at least but idk.

I genuinely would like more content from all of them though, but there isn't a lot of talking going on. Koopa especially for me since a lot of my feelings about him stem from the flipflopping yesterday.

I'm also working on several non-game related papers but I can do some back-and-forth real quick.

And I'm back to post thoughts.

1. Ace
I'm even less of a fan of his behaviour than I was yesterday. I flat out do not like the approach of 'everyone doing bare minimum so I will also do that', especially when coming from someone who earlier on yesterday expressed desire to not see the game die. He also straight up ignored the question I had about why he waited so long to post re: volt on d1. All this almost comes off as borderline coasting to me and I'm not sure how typical something like that is for Ace. I at least cannot remember right off the bat ever seeing something like that given how aggressive I remember him to be. Volt has now also commented on the meta thing and called it in to question a bit, which additionally does not inspire trust in Ace for me.

2. Koopa
Koopa is not my d2 vote unless it's between him and one of my current more town-read people. I don't feel a Koopa flip would be as valuable right now as Ace/Volt due to how Koopa has been playing this game. First flipflopping and then going silent and not providing anything at all. All of this is still very 'safe' behaviour where he doesn't have to speak his own mind on things. I think solving if Koopa is confused town or scared mafia will have to wait until d3 if they don't get nk'd. I'd really liked to have heard his thoughts on things before anyone else voted.

3. Mog
If we want to be conspiracy theory for a bit it could be possible Mog/Koopa are teamed due to Mog being so consistently on the side of new players that it wouldn't raise suspicion for her to not suspect Koopa ever. Before I dwell too much on that I would like to see the current Ace/Volt debacle resolve somehow. Also she did promise some explanation that involves Koopa so that's something I want to see.

4. Volt
Some of the reason I'm currently not as suspicious of Volt as I am of Ace does stem from the behaviours Ace has exhibited. I guess I should consider the possibility both of them are mafia though as despite everything going on they haven't interacted a lot? I don't feel Volt d1 had anything weird going on besides the gut thing. Post quality on d1 being low does not surprise me since the filler was admittedly a bit all-consuming (at least to me) and made early d1 posting hard. I'd like to see some actual reads posted by Volt? Not having any out despite it being d2 is a bit strange.

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Regarding my game experience since there has been some confusion:
Started spectating mafia on tbt around end of Marioverse Kingmaker, first full game I read was the Karen mafia one.
I repped for the dethy that happened before this one but was only around for one day. This is my first actual player game.

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Current reads

Geoni, Tessa
Volt Mog Koopa
Ace

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All posts from Mog mentioning or interacting with Ace:

I will note a lot of the second half in the compilation are better read in their contact since that's when it feels like the two are using the thread to interact the most.

Spoiler

yes i know thats why i said its illogical lol (and that id still vote them), however its also really smart of mafia to just pick off vulnerable players since the game is made up of them

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easy win since they can be more easily swayed so just think we should be guarded about it is all : )

what does eek mean?

also i'm not for voting no one, i never said that, someone was going to be killed regardless and i didn't have enough certainly volt was mafia so i chose not to vote, completely different from advocating a no vote. also i said it wasn't logical to not vote new players, but i said we should be careful because they're an easy target and look what's happened so i think i was correct to say it honestly

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and also that's just my uwu personality lmao, i even said at the time it was dumb reasoning, i'm not saying we should just forget they exist, but it's just a bit suspect to go from one to another

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also volt had a vote in the last 5 minutes, i was around eod so i could have made a decision but i literally had 5 minutes and i'm not a strong player, obviously in hindsight i should have chosen to save blooming and maybe with more than 5 minutes to spare i would have but i just didn't wanna risk it

Lmao it’s almost too suspicious tho, but damn that’s quick. Am I missing something?

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Ok maybe I will have to eat my own hat and koopa is actually more suspicious than I thought …

it's just he's so blatantly sus that i thought it wasn't sus u know, no wonder geoni never trusts my opinion tbh, my logic is so sucky

well, it's just a little bizarre to show up to vote but not even decide to drop in here to let us know why, he did state previously that he was following guidance from geoni so i assume he's doing the same thing here but he should at least try and create his own opinion to share, i will give it time for him to respond then probably move my vote

but if he had scum mates surely they'd be advising against that right now? like it's almost too scummy lol

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i don't mean he's sheeping geoni btw, worded that bad, just meant he's went from sheeping him to sheeping ppl voting ace

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ok i'm worried enough by the wagon that seems to be forming to change my vote but i'm still kinda unsure i'm sry mb

im v lost but also u dont particularly seem to care that much ace... lol

nothing wrong with being a bit crazy if ur gonna die... rip there's no time left anyways idk where everyone went lol

What do you mean Geoni has to be mafia?

Also yes if we don't kill mafia today the game is over. We also have to kill no matter what.

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@Damniel just to be 100% clear majority is not enabled right?

survived twice in a row, need i say more

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actually maybe it doesnt make sense coz he wanted a tessa lynch so

i was only kidding about geoni btw, i just meant coz he survived 2 nights lol. i dont know sheep at all and ur truly reaching lmao with ur last point

altho i still stand by mafia being in the blooming vote and since 2/3 are now confirmed town i guess that only leaves sheep. ive not been keen on sheep from the start so im fine

im absolutely not letting anyone lynch me today soz, i will genuinely fight to the death but im not losing it for town, someone else can but im defo not

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ugh also i wish some older members were here, im legit well known for my mafia play, im the most obvious player of all time im just lazy, its a bad habit but im not on the bad side

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i didnt even want to vote koopa or blooming, if i was mafia i would have pushed for them. i was basically forced into the koopa vote coz he was being beyond sus and there was a wagon on volt forming, i dont blame myself for that

 

[Geoni]

Portrait of a man with a quiet night job, ADHD, and undiagnosed Anxiety.

 

[Chris]

Reminder that you are not supposed to react (buzz, clownfish, dig, like, or love) to posts if you are not a living player in the game. Thank you!

 

[mogyay]

i would have eaten a hat if koopa was mafia and so i will now eat a hat but i felt rly scared coz of everyone suddenly jumped on the same vote and i panicked , and also im literally playing again after a million years (not to be dramatic but it will be a million years again after this) i honestly didnt know if it was lylo , pls think about sheep first because im defo town, ive said theyre sus from the start unlike everyone elses sus on me which has seemingly just begun, at least ive been consistent

 

[voltairenism]

what's sheep schedule? did they freeze?

 

[Geoni]

@mogyay your hat stays on your head...what do you think about nobody but you really coming for me at the start of the day and instead just resorting to saying it's got to be you and sheep?

If people are actually uncertain about my alignment, which they should be in this situation, why not grill and drill me on my content in hopes of figuring me out?

You are the only person who even had the cojones to say my name flippantly even if you sorta backed away after doing it. For what it's worth I think that makes your start of day look better than some other people.

To be honest I was mulling over the interaction compilations as I was making them and you feel the most like...actively interactive with Ace and Sheep. Sheep really feels like they don't interact as much in a direct fashion comparatively. But man if Sheep is a wolf they did a fantastic job, I felt so placated by their posts as the game was going on.

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Before I went into making those compilations I was like 'this looks and feels like an Ace/Mog wolfteam but let me just look beneath the surface' and have kinda come out of them thinking it's a Sheep/Ace team and Sheep was trapped in his stance, hence them suddenly going a bit quiet after votes piled up on Ace.

Again I can't completely shake off that Volt has probably had the least effort in terms of analysis through my reread but there's a lot of surrounding factors that kinda spew Volt town and there's a nice frequency from Volt when they are around.

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what's sheep schedule? did they freeze?

If IRL has them busy it would be nice to know when during this phase they would be available to share some thoughts, showing up only at EoD will be yikes if that happens.

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survived twice in a row, need i say more

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actually maybe it doesnt make sense coz he wanted a tessa lynch so

I do have to ask though, why does me wanting a Tessa elimination shake that sudden burst of strong suspicion you had about it being me? I mean if I wanted Tessa dead I could have just pushed harder to make it happen during the day so I could use the night kill elsewhere.

 

[Geoni]

That leaves

Mog
Sheep
Geoni

Out of those 3 I would like to hear why Mog thinks Geoni is mafia

@voltairenism where you at?

@Sheep Villager @Geoni thoughts?

Out of these three why is Mog the only one you want to hear from? Don't you have a heck of a lot you'd like to ask of Sheep and myself if you have to figure out at least two people and not just one?

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I'm trying to unwind after a long workweek so I'll just take a step back so there's some breathing room in the thread and finish an anime I've been watching. Really sad I'm almost done with it because it really did a good job at calming me down after a hard shift. :C

 

[Geoni]

Sleepytime...good morning and good night.

 

[Sheep Villager]

Morning. I'm back after getting my rear kicked by life for a bit.
Give me a moment to catch up and gather my thoughts.

 

[Ace Marvel]

Out of these three why is Mog the only one you want to hear from? Don't you have a heck of a lot you'd like to ask of Sheep and myself if you have to figure out at least two people and not just one?

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I'm trying to unwind after a long workweek so I'll just take a step back so there's some breathing room in the thread and finish an anime I've been watching. Really sad I'm almost done with it because it really did a good job at calming me down after a hard shift. :C

I meant at that moment because Mog said you were clearly mafia, I want Mog to expand of that.

Sheep is EU so I'll bother them when they are here.

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@Geoni why did you clear sheep so easily, and then started to question that read, yet still believe them to be town?

Do you think that Sheep is still town?
What do you make of Mog not voting now that we know both wagons are probably town?

 

[mogyay]

What do u mean not voting? When did I say I wasn’t voting lol?

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Oh nvm I misunderstood

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Also I thought I said I was joking about Geoni… I’m sorry…. I actually don’t think he’s mafia.. he’s one of strongest town leads. Sorry for being dramatic at start of day

 

[Sheep Villager]

I normally split my thoughts in to segments, but I see no reason to do that right now. I apologize for the lack of organization.

Why are we suddenly trusting Ace this much?

Is all this stemming just from him being calm on EOD and his wagon moving fast? The people who shifted over to Koopa have for the most part never explained why they think Ace is town and are just going along with him now. Volt sure hasn't said anything the whole game about Ace, Mog also has never posted reads or anything of the sort about Ace either.

I'm also not exactly a fan of how easy it would be to frame me for this day given how consistently Mog has been on me. Mog is in a spot where she would never have to explain why I'm the vote and she doesn't seem to be going out of her way to explain why other people are town. If Mog is Mafia then all her partner would have to do is start pushing for me and that's already two easy votes that need little to no explanation. Volt, Ace and Mog all pretty immediately went on me when the day started too so I can't shake the feeling Mog is partnered with one of them. I'm also curious why Mog has been so lenient on Geoni when he was also one who did some pushing for the b100m vote.

Regarding Geonis vote swap: Why would Ace being calm signal anything? If anything wouldn't Ace be more frantic if he was town and it was heading in to lylo? Ace even told you to your face that he knows how you operate yesterday, that should have made his behaviour NAI at best.

Ace/Mog Feels the most likely to me right now. Ace townclearing Volt reads as narrowing the pool for an easy push on me. Mog has been on me this whole time already.

Ace/Volt The Tessa breadcrumb could hold up in theory so idk about this one, but I'm not closing this out entirely yet.

I need to look in to the Geoni team options more but I have a headache and I love the walls, but not in this particular moment. Hopefully the tylenol will kick in soon.

I'll be honest, I have a lot of issues townreading anyone right now and I'm not sure if this post is even worth anything at all due to that.

 

[mogyay]

I already said bloom and koopa were town tho and said why, not my fault they died on me. Also I’ve explained why I’m suspicious of u, maybe my reasoning sucks but I’ve said it from the start so idk why it’s now a conspiracy. I don’t see my make up partner backing me up and it’s near enough end of day so I don’t think you’re reaching

I don’t rly trust ace or volt either, altho I did think the points ppl made about tessa were valid enough for me to kind of put that to the side rn. I’m obviously **** at this game coz honestly I could imagine anyone being mafia which isn’t helpful, and I feel bad about my lack of being a good player but work has taken it out of me this week

I’m happy for like other suggestions tho, I’m not hell bent on anything, I just rly need to be hell bent on me not dying coz I don’t wanna lose the game for town

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*** I think you’re reaching omg

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I just thought the ace thing was so out the blue tho that it must have meant something? But then again koopa clearly just voted them for no reason and they’re town so maybe others did too, but it was just rly odd

 

[Sheep Villager]

I already said bloom and koopa were town tho and said why, not my fault they died on me. Also I’ve explained why I’m suspicious of u, maybe my reasoning sucks but I’ve said it from the start so idk why it’s now a conspiracy. I don’t see my make up partner backing me up and it’s near enough end of day so I don’t think you’re reaching

I don’t rly trust ace or volt either, altho I did think the points ppl made about tessa were valid enough for me to kind of put that to the side rn. I’m obviously **** at this game coz honestly I could imagine anyone being mafia which isn’t helpful, and I feel bad about my lack of being a good player but work has taken it out of me this week

I’m happy for like other suggestions tho, I’m not hell bent on anything, I just rly need to be hell bent on me not dying coz I don’t wanna lose the game for town

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*** I think you’re reaching omg

You suspecting me isn't necessarily the issue on its own; it's how you haven't explained your thoughts on anyone else but me which makes for an all too good set up for your partner if you're Maf.

If you don't trust Ace and Volt could you explain why & the reason why haven't you brought it up for discussion at all?
I know you don't like doing read lists so if you want to just ramble it out then go for it, organization be damned.

 

[voltairenism]

voted bc i had to leave for lunch and didn't know if something would go wrong i wouldnt be able to vote lol
I'm less sure of geoni/mog not being a team I'm not as sure as I was abt sheep, but I still think sheep seems the least.... controversial person in my head rn
I can't see how any of you are teamed jesus

but good post sheep made me rethinking abt ace for a second, you are still wolf though

 

[mogyay]

Ok that’s true tbh, I’m sorry, I don’t actually rly mind read lists but since I’m at work I’m basically only able to use my phone and it’s just too much of a chore lol

I’m sorry I rly suck at mafia and I know I’m letting town down but my points are always kind of the same in that I go off of voting logic, which I know doesn’t need to mean anything (I voted koopa) but mafia know who is who, it wouldn’t make sense for a player pool this size to only have a town lead lynch imo. Like I said sheep is the only person confirmed on the blooming vote, it’s day one so whatever maybe that was town lead. But someone has gotta be on koopa’s, especially since he was being so suspicious anyway, nothing for mafia to hide voting him coz of his kind of bizarre play. I didn’t like ace’s lack of emotion and fight, almost like they knew that koopa was wagon was going to form, just the overall tone just felt super off for me. However the wagon and vote on them was just so off in general that i find it hard to think they’d be mafia unless it’s a mad mafia power play

Also like we legit haven’t found one mafia, it’s rly hard to like analyse interactions coz there’s too many possibilities, it’s surely better to just stick with facts than look into all these dynamics but idk, maybe im dumb , I’m sure this post doesn’t make sense, I hate typing on my phone
also sorry I thought I’d have more time to like, be on tbt, but Im still working , I forgot I have to actually do my job

 

[mogyay]

Just went ahead and voted, I have a rly bad feeling tho idk, I just dont trust anything I think coz I’m so crap at this game, but can’t gaurentee I’ll be here if I’m stuck in a call

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wonder if mafia are just like, waiting on hammering... coz only 2 votes and its near end of day, weird

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omg nvm im so dumb. that looks so sus now, i swear this week has just felt so long lol