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I don't know if anyone who's received an item box before can confirm this, but I can't use my recharged ability the same night it got recharged. ShellBell did recharge me, and I have mine back now (thank you!!!!), but I was not allowed to use it/have to wait till tomorrow
I thought I'd be able to use it same night, but apparently that's not the case
Anywho, here's my response to everything that went down before I could wake up (as I woke up after thread lock and rosie's messages)
Ok, so that was all typed up from earlier and not all of it is relevant still as Tessa is now dead (partial yay!), but so is Kattea (big rip). I wanted to share all of this to clear up as much as possible. I was intent on sharing my complete power today, as I thought I'd be able to use it the same night it got recharged, but as I couldn't and am still holding onto it, I'm going to keep it a secret (at least for now while we wait for more input on why there 2 deaths tonight???)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the game would be over if 2 townies died last night, so one of them must've been a mafia right? if so, my things still hold^^^
I can't tell if Tessa's love react is her being happy my ability couldn't be used and is a psuedo confirmation she's with the mafia or what
it could and likely is smthn completely random tho
I'm curious if Equity's power could be used on others, and/or if she redirected a kill onto Tessa? There are no other 'killing' abilities we know of, and everyone's claimed an ability except for Bungo at this point
Equity's would only end up with one death yeah, it's a kill redirect not a vengeful kill, so either Bungo or someone is lying (rosie
) about their ability. At the same time, if rosie stole the star from Mistreil (Mistreil is an honest townie and rosie used a boo scenario), rosie would not be able to kill 2 folks, so it must have been Bungo who got the deadly power from their mystery box and used it for the 2nd kill? I think the game can still be on actually if there are only two mafia, so it's possible those two are together, but idk why they'd kill Tessa when she was the next primary suspect.
Maybe they intentionally killed Kattea and then the random power Bungo had allowed for a random townie kill? Assuming Rosie is with the mafia, killing Kattea would hurt townies the most as her ability provides nightly information. At this point, I'm the only information giver left so my death *should* be guaranteed for tomorrow (in which case rip me providing info with my newly recharged ability). Hopefully I'll survive. If Rosie wasn't with the mafia, I can see her being a primary target as she can basically out a mafia every night she's charged.
Also note
Rosie never pushed for a charge herself. She kinda just let me have the charge tonight??? I pushed for the charge cuz I didn't trust her and knew I could get info with my ability, but she didn't seem to care for it at all despite her claimed ability being so useful and her outright not trusting me? That seems inconsistent
Why did she let me have the charge with such an *amazing* ability and an overt suspicion of me?
Assuming Emolga and Equity are as trustworthy as I think they are, and they really have no reason to be sussed given what they and others have said, and the events of the past nights, I'm fairly confident Rosie, and then Bungo are remaining suspects 1 and 2. In the case Mistreil was being honest about her star, we should vote out Bungo first so there's 1 mafia left, otherwise they'd take someone out tonight, rosie would have immunity, and it'd be 2v2. (actually, taking bungo out first would still end up with a 1v1 against rosie, which I think is still a mafia win? Idk what the best course of action is here). Assuming rosie felt safe enough to not use the star tonight, this might be our chance?
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I thought I'd be able to use it same night, but apparently that's not the case
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Anywho, here's my response to everything that went down before I could wake up (as I woke up after thread lock and rosie's messages)
Just kinda going in order with the messages I missed from before night hit:
“it was worded as an item box was thrown/passed to me” ~Rosie
Shellbell confirmed that no notification will be given if someone already has an ability that does not need charging, which you said you did. This is inconsistent with Emolga not knowing that they were the one charged on night 2. Granted, people can misread or forget things in the heat of the moment.
I asked you the question because Emolga didn’t come forward and say he was charged when I revealed I wasn’t on night 2. I wanted to see if he would know that they were charged and were withholding the truth. ShellBell came forward to clarify their ability though.
But yeah, according to both of them, you wouldn’t have been told ShellBell charged you night 1^ so tis a lie unless someone is misremembering/misreading
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1 - kiko was super quiet day 1, but chose to use their ability night 1 on someone obviously townie without pushing questions during the day (like compare that to how many questions kiko asks now), once pressure was applied, kiko has completely changed their behaviour drastically” ~Rosie
I was inactive that day cuz I was moving homes, oops I introduced myself as being into these types of games, so as soon as I was free I got very active.
ShellBell was not “obviously townie” on day 1, no one was, it was day 1. I also did not use my ability on ShellBell, or anyone for that matter, I simply ‘used my ability’. For instance, I knew that Kattea didn’t use her ability on night 1, i didn’t only know about shellbell. My reasons for keeping my ability ambiguous are in line with Emolga’s I think, now that I understand what they’re hinting at “I think?”.
I also justified why I used my ability on night 1, and it goes deeper than agreeing with shellbell to use abilities on night 1. I was led to believe that using my ability that night would be very effective (sadly, it wasn’t).
“2 - that fact you had access to your ability night 1????? I get the impression the majority of us didnt - so this skews the pattern, especially with a fairly 'powerful' role of detective, I'm kinda not buying it anymore lmao” ~Rosie
ShellBell had access to their ability night 1 and you’re very confident in them. Again, I’m not the detective. If it helps, I kinda jumped the gun on calling shellbell ‘safe’. I meant it more like, they were being honest with things at the time, and at the time, I didn’t think mafia would possibly get their own abilities so I was like “must be a townie as they have an ability”.
“3 - the push to have a recharge night 2, honestly I think you could be mafia, used your mafia ability night 1, and want a recharge on your ability so you can use it again, maybe you were the one to use the 'mask' ability or whatever on Kilza and frame Mistreil if she's telling the truth” ~Rosie
The mask ability and any sort of ’sleepwalking’ or overt framing abilities sound a little too OP for baby circuit. imo, they’re not in the game. If I used my mafia ability night 1, it would’ve definitely been a hot topic during day 2, and yet seemingly nothing negative happened to anyone?. The only glimpse of a mafia ability possibly being used was the boo on Mistreil. That’s part of the reason why I was inclined to believe them, because they’re the only person in 2 nights to notice anything about the mafia’s actions. Their telling the truth also goes in line with there being no “masking” ability because it means that yeah, they didn’t visit kilza, and you were the one who was being dishonest.
“4 - you're super active, asking a lot of Qs and seem to analyse the situation pretty well, HOWEVER - why was this not the case in using your 'detective' ability, I think you chose to clear shell to get her on your good side so you could get that recharge on that maf ability “ ~Rosie
The short answer is, I don’t know how effective my ability will be on a given night. Again, (and I discussed this earlier, and have heavily hinted at exactly what my ability does), I was *led to believe* that it would be incredibly effective on that first night and give us a head start, but alas, it was not. The only thing I could really do in day 2 was validate ShellBell’s claim.
If I’m being *completely* honest, I feel like, if Rosie is with the squirtle squad, they’re trying to monopolize on the suspicion I created around myself (intentionaly**) to get me voted out while the mafia kill someone else (2 birds in one night, including (I’m guessing) a perceived threat to the mafia).
I’ve also said this before but, if I had my ability up for night 2, not only would we know if Mistreil is telling the truth about a boo being sent to her, we’d have been able to figure out who sent that boo. People have repeatedly talked about not revealing their full ability to not be a target, and I think that it is very warranted in my case. Atm, the only information giving ability I fully believe in is Kattea’s (still unsure of Rosie’s as it seems a little OP (a guaranteed mafia found every night if shell recharges them???)), as I’ve always been, not just cuz they’re sussing me), and then there’s my own.
Rationally speaking, would the townsfolk really be given only one information ability in a game this size? one ability and one single use ability even is a little pushing it. 1 ability and 2 single use ones sounds ok, so maybe Rosie is in fact telling the truth and Mistreil is just fully denying things, but at this point we can’t know for sure. What I mean here is, literally everyone has claimed a ‘non-informative’ ability except for Kattea, myself, and Rosie, and since it’s most likely 2-3 info abilities exist, 2-3 of us are being honest.
Even if I wasn’t in danger of being a target, I still don’t think I would reveal my ability because it’s good at catching people out (like when I told Kattea that she didn’t use her ability night 1, and then she revealed that she misspoke and forgot to include the fact that hers doesn’t charge until night2). If everyone knew my ability, they likely wouldn’t speak up as much, and we need people to be speaking up. (I’ll also add that there was lots of silence and a lack of info until I started to directly probe/sus people, and we’ve been able to establish a decent number of innocents that way)
And on a small note, you made your first post today at 5am my time (@Rosie), and I was asleep I sleep until 1-2pm cuz I go to bed close to 4am, so was not able to respond to your things until now. I was intending on waking up before 12 to get a vote in, but alas, the bed be too comfy.
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Other thoughts:
Re: Tessa’s ability and Mistreil’s eviction
ok guys I think we made a mistake here
like the heck kinda “townsfolk” ability is a vote veto, that is the least democratic thing I’ve heard in this game and see zero reason or benefit to giving such an ability to a townsfolk. I think it’s legit, and that Tessa was honest about it, but that is *not* a townsfolk ability and does next to nothing for us. On the contrary, it *would* benefit the mafia quite a bit. I’m near certain Tessa is one of the mafia now, and they should also be the first one we evict given that they could veto their partner (note: Tessa didn’t veto Mistreil, so Mistreil must’ve been innocent!! (unlessa Tessa needs to use the ability preemptively?)). I think us switching from Mistreil to Tessa while Rosie was gone could also have been what spurred rosie’s recent messages. If I *had* to guess the present state of the game, I’d say: Tessa is a mafia member and her ability is her real ability, and rosie is also a mafia member, and they were the one who used the boo on Mistreil. At the same time, Bungo is flying a little under the radar, but they’ve done nothing questionable really yet. ShellBell’s power seems 100% like it would go to a townie, and as I established earlier, we have so few informative abilities, that kattea, and at least one of me or rosie (could be both) are also townies out of necessity. I also am fairly certain that Emolga is a townie now too (I picked up what you were putting down *winkwink*). Equity’s line of questioning for Mistreil was also very town-like, and alluded to her own ability’s function. As her ability does not protect from a vote, it only protects from the mafia, and why would she need protection from the mafia if she was one of them? This leaves Mistreil (gone :’( and not vetoed by Tessa), Rosie (the anti-mistreil), Tessa (with the mafia-ish ability), and Myself. (Bungo could also be included maybe?). *Hopefully* I’ve convinced enough of you that I’m here to play the game for the townsfolk. Hopefully you can see how my actions led to truths and discoveries. If I had my ability up for night 2, yes, we could’ve won by now (actually, if Rosie used the boo, I’d’ve just seen that rosie used an ability, so we might be in the same spot as we are now). [RACTED ABILITY REVEAL] (I thought I'd have used it tonight but still have it sooooooo)
RIP Mistreil, I am sorry
also, i just picked this up:
“With this in mind, Tessa if ur truly townie u might wanna consider using ur voting ability thing sometime soon (ig tomorrow if not today) since it seems there's a push against u rn (one I'm not completely convinced with)” ~Rosie
it doesn’t prove anything, but it certainly doesn’t contradict their working together
“it was worded as an item box was thrown/passed to me” ~Rosie
Shellbell confirmed that no notification will be given if someone already has an ability that does not need charging, which you said you did. This is inconsistent with Emolga not knowing that they were the one charged on night 2. Granted, people can misread or forget things in the heat of the moment.
I asked you the question because Emolga didn’t come forward and say he was charged when I revealed I wasn’t on night 2. I wanted to see if he would know that they were charged and were withholding the truth. ShellBell came forward to clarify their ability though.
But yeah, according to both of them, you wouldn’t have been told ShellBell charged you night 1^ so tis a lie unless someone is misremembering/misreading
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1 - kiko was super quiet day 1, but chose to use their ability night 1 on someone obviously townie without pushing questions during the day (like compare that to how many questions kiko asks now), once pressure was applied, kiko has completely changed their behaviour drastically” ~Rosie
I was inactive that day cuz I was moving homes, oops
I introduced myself as being into these types of games, so as soon as I was free I got very active. ShellBell was not “obviously townie” on day 1, no one was, it was day 1. I also did not use my ability on ShellBell, or anyone for that matter, I simply ‘used my ability’. For instance, I knew that Kattea didn’t use her ability on night 1, i didn’t only know about shellbell. My reasons for keeping my ability ambiguous are in line with Emolga’s I think, now that I understand what they’re hinting at “I think?”.
I also justified why I used my ability on night 1, and it goes deeper than agreeing with shellbell to use abilities on night 1. I was led to believe that using my ability that night would be very effective (sadly, it wasn’t).
“2 - that fact you had access to your ability night 1????? I get the impression the majority of us didnt - so this skews the pattern, especially with a fairly 'powerful' role of detective, I'm kinda not buying it anymore lmao” ~Rosie
ShellBell had access to their ability night 1 and you’re very confident in them. Again, I’m not the detective. If it helps, I kinda jumped the gun on calling shellbell ‘safe’. I meant it more like, they were being honest with things at the time, and at the time, I didn’t think mafia would possibly get their own abilities so I was like “must be a townie as they have an ability”.
“3 - the push to have a recharge night 2, honestly I think you could be mafia, used your mafia ability night 1, and want a recharge on your ability so you can use it again, maybe you were the one to use the 'mask' ability or whatever on Kilza and frame Mistreil if she's telling the truth” ~Rosie
The mask ability and any sort of ’sleepwalking’ or overt framing abilities sound a little too OP for baby circuit. imo, they’re not in the game. If I used my mafia ability night 1, it would’ve definitely been a hot topic during day 2, and yet seemingly nothing negative happened to anyone?. The only glimpse of a mafia ability possibly being used was the boo on Mistreil. That’s part of the reason why I was inclined to believe them, because they’re the only person in 2 nights to notice anything about the mafia’s actions. Their telling the truth also goes in line with there being no “masking” ability because it means that yeah, they didn’t visit kilza, and you were the one who was being dishonest.
“4 - you're super active, asking a lot of Qs and seem to analyse the situation pretty well, HOWEVER - why was this not the case in using your 'detective' ability, I think you chose to clear shell to get her on your good side so you could get that recharge on that maf ability “ ~Rosie
The short answer is, I don’t know how effective my ability will be on a given night. Again, (and I discussed this earlier, and have heavily hinted at exactly what my ability does), I was *led to believe* that it would be incredibly effective on that first night and give us a head start, but alas, it was not. The only thing I could really do in day 2 was validate ShellBell’s claim.
If I’m being *completely* honest, I feel like, if Rosie is with the squirtle squad, they’re trying to monopolize on the suspicion I created around myself (intentionaly**) to get me voted out while the mafia kill someone else (2 birds in one night, including (I’m guessing) a perceived threat to the mafia).
I’ve also said this before but, if I had my ability up for night 2, not only would we know if Mistreil is telling the truth about a boo being sent to her, we’d have been able to figure out who sent that boo. People have repeatedly talked about not revealing their full ability to not be a target, and I think that it is very warranted in my case. Atm, the only information giving ability I fully believe in is Kattea’s (still unsure of Rosie’s as it seems a little OP (a guaranteed mafia found every night if shell recharges them???)), as I’ve always been, not just cuz they’re sussing me), and then there’s my own.
Rationally speaking, would the townsfolk really be given only one information ability in a game this size? one ability and one single use ability even is a little pushing it. 1 ability and 2 single use ones sounds ok, so maybe Rosie is in fact telling the truth and Mistreil is just fully denying things, but at this point we can’t know for sure. What I mean here is, literally everyone has claimed a ‘non-informative’ ability except for Kattea, myself, and Rosie, and since it’s most likely 2-3 info abilities exist, 2-3 of us are being honest.
Even if I wasn’t in danger of being a target, I still don’t think I would reveal my ability because it’s good at catching people out (like when I told Kattea that she didn’t use her ability night 1, and then she revealed that she misspoke and forgot to include the fact that hers doesn’t charge until night2). If everyone knew my ability, they likely wouldn’t speak up as much, and we need people to be speaking up. (I’ll also add that there was lots of silence and a lack of info until I started to directly probe/sus people, and we’ve been able to establish a decent number of innocents that way)
And on a small note, you made your first post today at 5am my time (@Rosie), and I was asleep
I sleep until 1-2pm cuz I go to bed close to 4am, so was not able to respond to your things until now. I was intending on waking up before 12 to get a vote in, but alas, the bed be too comfy.________________________________
Other thoughts:
Re: Tessa’s ability and Mistreil’s eviction
ok guys I think we made a mistake here
like the heck kinda “townsfolk” ability is a vote veto, that is the least democratic thing I’ve heard in this game and see zero reason or benefit to giving such an ability to a townsfolk. I think it’s legit, and that Tessa was honest about it, but that is *not* a townsfolk ability and does next to nothing for us. On the contrary, it *would* benefit the mafia quite a bit. I’m near certain Tessa is one of the mafia now, and they should also be the first one we evict given that they could veto their partner (note: Tessa didn’t veto Mistreil, so Mistreil must’ve been innocent!! (unlessa Tessa needs to use the ability preemptively?)). I think us switching from Mistreil to Tessa while Rosie was gone could also have been what spurred rosie’s recent messages. If I *had* to guess the present state of the game, I’d say: Tessa is a mafia member and her ability is her real ability, and rosie is also a mafia member, and they were the one who used the boo on Mistreil. At the same time, Bungo is flying a little under the radar, but they’ve done nothing questionable really yet. ShellBell’s power seems 100% like it would go to a townie, and as I established earlier, we have so few informative abilities, that kattea, and at least one of me or rosie (could be both) are also townies out of necessity. I also am fairly certain that Emolga is a townie now too (I picked up what you were putting down *winkwink*). Equity’s line of questioning for Mistreil was also very town-like, and alluded to her own ability’s function. As her ability does not protect from a vote, it only protects from the mafia, and why would she need protection from the mafia if she was one of them? This leaves Mistreil (gone :’( and not vetoed by Tessa), Rosie (the anti-mistreil), Tessa (with the mafia-ish ability), and Myself. (Bungo could also be included maybe?). *Hopefully* I’ve convinced enough of you that I’m here to play the game for the townsfolk. Hopefully you can see how my actions led to truths and discoveries. If I had my ability up for night 2, yes, we could’ve won by now (actually, if Rosie used the boo, I’d’ve just seen that rosie used an ability, so we might be in the same spot as we are now). [RACTED ABILITY REVEAL] (I thought I'd have used it tonight but still have it sooooooo)
RIP Mistreil, I am sorry
also, i just picked this up:
“With this in mind, Tessa if ur truly townie u might wanna consider using ur voting ability thing sometime soon (ig tomorrow if not today) since it seems there's a push against u rn (one I'm not completely convinced with)” ~Rosie
it doesn’t prove anything, but it certainly doesn’t contradict their working together
Ok, so that was all typed up from earlier and not all of it is relevant still as Tessa is now dead (partial yay!), but so is Kattea (big rip). I wanted to share all of this to clear up as much as possible. I was intent on sharing my complete power today, as I thought I'd be able to use it the same night it got recharged, but as I couldn't and am still holding onto it, I'm going to keep it a secret (at least for now while we wait for more input on why there 2 deaths tonight???)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the game would be over if 2 townies died last night, so one of them must've been a mafia right? if so, my things still hold^^^
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I can't tell if Tessa's love react is her being happy my ability couldn't be used and is a psuedo confirmation she's with the mafia or what
it could and likely is smthn completely random tho
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I'm curious if Equity's power could be used on others, and/or if she redirected a kill onto Tessa? There are no other 'killing' abilities we know of, and everyone's claimed an ability except for Bungo at this point
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Equity's would only end up with one death yeah, it's a kill redirect not a vengeful kill, so either Bungo or someone is lying (rosie
) about their ability. At the same time, if rosie stole the star from Mistreil (Mistreil is an honest townie and rosie used a boo scenario), rosie would not be able to kill 2 folks, so it must have been Bungo who got the deadly power from their mystery box and used it for the 2nd kill? I think the game can still be on actually if there are only two mafia, so it's possible those two are together, but idk why they'd kill Tessa when she was the next primary suspect.
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Maybe they intentionally killed Kattea and then the random power Bungo had allowed for a random townie kill? Assuming Rosie is with the mafia, killing Kattea would hurt townies the most as her ability provides nightly information. At this point, I'm the only information giver left so my death *should* be guaranteed for tomorrow (in which case rip me providing info with my newly recharged ability). Hopefully I'll survive. If Rosie wasn't with the mafia, I can see her being a primary target as she can basically out a mafia every night she's charged.
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Rosie never pushed for a charge herself. She kinda just let me have the charge tonight??? I pushed for the charge cuz I didn't trust her and knew I could get info with my ability, but she didn't seem to care for it at all despite her claimed ability being so useful and her outright not trusting me? That seems inconsistent
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Why did she let me have the charge with such an *amazing* ability and an overt suspicion of me?
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Assuming Emolga and Equity are as trustworthy as I think they are, and they really have no reason to be sussed given what they and others have said, and the events of the past nights, I'm fairly confident Rosie, and then Bungo are remaining suspects 1 and 2. In the case Mistreil was being honest about her star, we should vote out Bungo first so there's 1 mafia left, otherwise they'd take someone out tonight, rosie would have immunity, and it'd be 2v2. (actually, taking bungo out first would still end up with a 1v1 against rosie, which I think is still a mafia win? Idk what the best course of action is here). Assuming rosie felt safe enough to not use the star tonight, this might be our chance?
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It's me trying to distance myself from those feelings so I can try and get a full view of what's going down.
Once again, the only thing I can do is call on an emergency meeting for both of you!
