Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!

[amazonevan19]

I thought saying that your town or mafia was an automatic modkill for saying ur faction.

No, but breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role pm is

 

[Ghostkid]

4 members browsing this thread but only my name is showing...

 

[Antonio]

cuz you're ignoring fireninja's meta (past history) entirely to keep deathtunnelling him. I would not be surprised if what you're doing is a noob scum tunnel. If you have a sus of fireninja, it may be best to find characteristics about him that are scummy aside from the point you've repeated 9,001 times and has been discussed and cast aside already.

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it's not alignment indicative (AI) imo - either side wouldn't want to get lynched

though it could be a sly way for dolby to appear concerned about the vote outcome, but really that's a huge stretch

How would I do that exactly? I can't find another thread where I can compare both his current and his old gameplay. I don't know him at all either so.. It's my second game so I'm not aware of what kind of characteristics makes someone scum. All I could do is find his past games and compare. I can't do that as I stated. That being said, I'm well aware that the discussion was thrown out. I brought it up again not to bring up an old discussion but to add onto my current point.

Now, it's obvious you didn't actually read the whole thing. You probably just skimmed it and thought I was bringing up a old point. I wasn't! If you read it, you'll realize that my old theroy was backing up my current one. My current theroy was that fire seemed like a hypocrite for voting for Ry for not answering people's questions but fire refused to answer my question aswell. That also baffles me. You also came to fire's defense really quickly but miss the entirety of the post.

I think fire is suspicious, ok? This person has been posting more than Tom and Mog but has it been enough to contribute anything useful to the game? The majority of the posts are short and don't really add much. Why do I feel like he's barely passing the quota for activity. Of course, Tom and Mog are also very inactive but they are too inactive to get anything useful from them except speculation. With fire, we have someone who is barely contributing anything useful and posting enough to seem useful or not inactive in order to not appear as mafia member. I also notice how alot of people don't talk about fire.

Now, I realized my statements aren't the best but at least I'm trying, right? I'm trying my best to come up with something that I have right in front of me rather then speculation on the inactives which we aren't 100% sure on whether or not they are secretly mafia or just busy beans. With fire, I can tell him trying to post stuff but they don't contribute abut useful. I also see them acting hypocritical and not taking many things seriously. I don't know how he plays or how he behaves but fire stands out from the the rest of everyone else cause he stands out from the rest of everyone by being sort-of active.

So, how does posting multiple quotes have to do with mafia? Anyways, I can't do much about unless fire coughs up some old games (plural) where I can do some comparison (i tried searching, can't find anything). Otherwise, I use what I see and i believe fire is scum. I apologize if it's not the best theroy. Thanks!

Thanks! ^-^

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What is everyone's opinion of fire?

 

[cornimer]

What is everyone's opinion of fire?

I think almost everyone thinks he is town, because in past games where he was scum he acted very differently from the way he is acting now. People have expressed this multiple times in the thread. Also, his actions at the beginning of the game and his refusal to answer questions were weird indeed, but scum would not typically be that bold and controversial.

 

[FireNinja1]

What is everyone's opinion of fire?

I think he's scum and we should lynch him.

 

[Antonio]

I think almost everyone thinks he is town, because in past games where he was scum he acted very differently from the way he is acting now. People have expressed this multiple times in the thread. Also, his actions at the beginning of the game and his refusal to answer questions were weird indeed, but scum would not typically be that bold and controversial.

Could you link that game?

 

[Chris]

A player needs to leave the game.

If anyone is willing to sub in please PM me either here or on Discord ASAP.

 

[amazonevan19]

How would I do that exactly? I can't find another thread where I can compare both his current and his old gameplay. I don't know him at all either so.. It's my second game so I'm not aware of what kind of characteristics makes someone scum. All I could do is find his past games and compare. I can't do that as I stated. That being said, I'm well aware that the discussion was thrown out. I brought it up again not to bring up an old discussion but to add onto my current point.

Now, it's obvious you didn't actually read the whole thing. You probably just skimmed it and thought I was bringing up a old point. I wasn't! If you read it, you'll realize that my old theroy was backing up my current one. My current theroy was that fire seemed like a hypocrite for voting for Ry for not answering people's questions but fire refused to answer my question aswell. That also baffles me. You also came to fire's defense really quickly but miss the entirety of the post.

I think fire is suspicious, ok? This person has been posting more than Tom and Mog but has it been enough to contribute anything useful to the game? The majority of the posts are short and don't really add much. Why do I feel like he's barely passing the quota for activity. Of course, Tom and Mog are also very inactive but they are too inactive to get anything useful from them except speculation. With fire, we have someone who is barely contributing anything useful and posting enough to seem useful or not inactive in order to not appear as mafia member. I also notice how alot of people don't talk about fire.

Now, I realized my statements aren't the best but at least I'm trying, right? I'm trying my best to come up with something that I have right in front of me rather then speculation on the inactives which we aren't 100% sure on whether or not they are secretly mafia or just busy beans. With fire, I can tell him trying to post stuff but they don't contribute abut useful. I also see them acting hypocritical and not taking many things seriously. I don't know how he plays or how he behaves but fire stands out from the the rest of everyone else cause he stands out from the rest of everyone by being sort-of active.

So, how does posting multiple quotes have to do with mafia? Anyways, I can't do much about unless fire coughs up some old games (plural) where I can do some comparison (i tried searching, can't find anything). Otherwise, I use what I see and i believe fire is scum. I apologize if it's not the best theroy. Thanks!

Thanks! ^-^

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What is everyone's opinion of fire?

Listing a bunch of quotes with no analysis about them is not really the best way to go about things. I get that you're trying to do that to provide context for what you're saying, but to me, it just looks like you're trying to fluff out your post and make it look more substantial than it already is. Rather than list quotes for context, with no analysis, I recommend you examine people's ISOs in this thread to get an idea of what a solid analysis post looks like. Whenever you quote someone, have something to say about it...don't just list 69 quotes and call that """analysis""" when it's really not

If you can't find his last game, then ask him for games he was town and games he was scum and go search it out yourself. Simple as that. And if you did, you'd see that this is how town FN usually behaves. You may not like it (I got triggered one time over it lmao), but that's just how he plays.

To be blunt, I did read your post but it definitely sounded like you were just ragging on him for not answering your question again, and nothing new was really presented imo. You're trying to make your new post sound more important than it actually is imo. Sure you're """trying""" but that doesn't mean you cannot expect us to not criticize your points if we think they're wrong. Why exactly don't you want to look into Tom and Mog anyway? They have posted some and as Dolby demonstrated, you can learn a ****ton from even a very few posts.

You have to understand that right now, your obsession with FN and deflection from inactives like Tom and Mog just heightens a lot of people's suspicions of you, cuz it looks like you're redirecting discussion away from potential scummates to someone who is widely townread

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oh and when I mention dolby, I'm certainly not expecting you or anyone to provide dolby-level analysis and reads; I was just using that as an example to prove my point that Tom and Mog aren't hopelessly un-analyzable due to relative inactivity

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someone else is leaving us? as if this game couldn't get more complicated >.<

 

[Ghostkid]

A player needs to leave? This is new. Then again this is my first game so im expecting anything at this point

 

[N e s s]

You know I've been thinking about Punchy lately. I find him kinda scummy tbh. Firstly, he's been coming in and out of the thread repeatedly just to say something each time like "omg i agree" and "ahh we should lynch X". His last like 20 posts have been completely worthless anyway, other than some verbal vomit of 1-liners on players. Secondly, he has basically admitted that he wants a Dolby lynch because other people have been saying it [See this post]. Now he is voting mog because she's been coasting? Like yeah I get it he's trying a new playstyle but he hasn't done anything but just repeat what other people have been saying for the last 48 hours hours. Sure people townread him early on in the game but I feel like he's being excused with "typical punchy behavior" too much.

Also, I believe I agree with most of the things that Dolby has said about Tom and he's starting to look like my vote for this phase. Frankly, a lot of what I've seen in this game isn't very scummy behavior and I'm really not sure where to start but I'll try and reread the thread some more in a bit. I would lean that scum is within Tom/Mog/Amazonevan19/gigalabesh (Now Amanda) and possibly punchy/Antonio (putting Antonio on here because I really need to analyze his posts more).

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and just for the record we're more than likely going to be seeing Mog be modkilled and she is probably the player that needs to be replaced, so I don't think she should be the lynch right now. Going to wait a bit longer to see if Tom will come in and give us those sweet ~promised content~ that he's been teasing the entire game but consider my vote likely going to him.

 

[cornimer]

@ppl thinking "omk why did Vanessa vote Tom she was defending him thats so scummy"
1. Dolby's case on him was really good and convinced me
2. I never said I didn't find him suspicious, I just wanted to give him a chance. But he still hasn't done anything. Chance is up

 

[illunie]

hey dolby, u didnt reply to my argument : (
i feel like a lot of dolbys argument can just be explained by tom not having enough time to respond to stuff and to post content, and the fact that a player who is apparently so passive aggresive towards people sring him as maf responded to people sussing him so calmly and in an understanding way, but most of it is really good and has changed my mind a bit.
i already said before that if tom literally posted nothing i would switch to him, so ill wait a bit longer and probabaly switch my vote when theres an hr left or smth

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im really uneasy about lynching another person who cant claim

 

[Ryumia]

Ryumia, thanks for at least providing something. Why would you vote yourself when you have a number of people on your ?concerns? list?? Just vote one of them; never vote yourself

If voting for myself is something that I feel like it is the better option than any of my "concerns" list then I would place my vote on myself.

Punchy, FireNinja1, Tom, Mog, Panda, Giflabesh, Ryumia, Antonio, Glow .. who are you guys voting for ? Discuss. Am I missing anyone ?

I'm currently still deciding that at the moment... :T Might just vote myself or Evan for theory testing.

 

[Heyden]

What the hell are you trying to theory test.

Also bless u Amanda.

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also waow I love this Tom resistance, at this point idrc though

 

[N e s s]

Ryumia please stop placeholder voting or voting yourswlf

 

[Dolby]

hey dolby, u didnt reply to my argument : (
i feel like a lot of dolbys argument can just be explained by tom not having enough time to respond to stuff and to post content, and the fact that a player who is apparently so passive aggresive towards people sring him as maf responded to people sussing him so calmly and in an understanding way, but most of it is really good and has changed my mind a bit.
i already said before that if tom literally posted nothing i would switch to him, so ill wait a bit longer and probabaly switch my vote when theres an hr left or smth

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im really uneasy about lynching another person who cant claim

K, sure I will. However, I'm just going to say that I feel Tom's flip-flop on ILY is REALLY telling

Bold is my response

i should probably explain all my points against dolby, so here they are:

1. his vote onto locket
this is probably my weakest point, but the fact that dolby sussed her for just a bit of a change in behaviour and for being inactive, and was willing to lynch her over it, rubs me the wrong way, especially after its been proved that lockets inactivity is genuine.

I believe that I have mentioned this before, and I'm going to state it again. I was uncomfortable with the Locket lynch at the time, there wasn't a single genuine counterwagon to form before about 2:20 PM PST. The nearest acceptable alternative had only one vote on them. I decided that I'd rather go for Locket out of all other people, because I didn't like their inactivity

2. his interactions with kayla
dolby has tr kayla from d1, citing her lack of changing her viewpoint about policy lynching as her being town which couldve been intentionally faked in the scumchat, as well as kaylas almost refusal to question him. its very likely that if one of them are maf the other is, and this looks a lot like a team.

Look dude, if you think that I intentionally fake interactions and then try to get townreads off out of them, you really have to read how I normally play. Whenever I attempt to interact with a teammate who's TLed, I try to not attract attention to them or myself. If they're SRed, I generally distance myself from them

Also, do you seriously think that either of us (especially) would consent to a risky play which drew attention to both of us?

3. his lack of activity at eod/possible protection of antonio
during the eod in d1, i distinctly remember dolby lurking in the thread, only posting a few things defending antonio but not dedenne, even tho they were being sussed for basically the same reason. plus, the reason he used to pull the lynch off of antonio is that noone was defending him, which could have been an intentional play by the scum team to lead suspicion away from antonio without directly connecting themselves to him through actual defense. plus my already existing sr on antonio, i believe theres a distinct possibility of antonio being on a scumteam with dolby, and his lack of defense of dedenne was his attempt to save antonio by letting a townie die.

Actually a good point about Antonio there. But if he was scum, he'd be voting in between me and Tom, and probably me (assuming that Tom is scum here). It's natural for new scum to try to protect their teammates. So you really have two options strong options here if Antonio is maf, one is that me and Tom are both scum, and the other that we're both town. Because if he were trying to protect a teammate, he'd definetely be on the mislynch that had the greatest chance of going through. I don't even know what you're talking about with me lurking. I was casually reading the thread up until about two hours before the lynch I think

4. his arguments about the night kills
a lot of the discussion about the kills last night were about who killed kate, and why there were only 3 kills when there were most likely 4 kills available, with 3 from the mafia team and one from oath the vig. dolby believes that kate mustve been killed by the mafia team and oath didnt shoot last night, bc of the high liklihood of the three kp mafia team. he also believes that if someone was saved by doc, they wouldve claimed by now, even tho i think theres a fairly obvious situation where they wouldnt claim if they got saved - if they were the doc themselves. i feel a lot more confident saying it now bc i dont necesarily think that tom is the doc who almost got killed last night, but i think that dolby wouldve definitely considered this as an option if he was town, especially with how unlikely kate is to be a mafia kill. the fact that he is dismissing it could be a form of hiding the knowledge of what really happened last night from town, as he now knows who the doc is and doesnt want to alert town to his intentions. its too obvious to me, an unexperienced player, for him to not even consider it imo
I've already addressed this, and if there is a situation where town was hit last night, I'm not seeing it, Dad isn't seeing it, Ness isn't seeing, Glow isn't seeing it. If town was somehow hit and saved last night, they should have outted it by now.

thats basically it, i have some thoughts as to how they could be explained but i wanna see dolbys response b4 i announce my final thoughts

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What the hell are you trying to theory test.

Also bless u Amanda.

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also waow I love this Tom resistance, at this point idrc though

Personally, I think a lot of the Tom resistance was shown in the "hype trains" on myself and Antonio yesterday, and has kinda died down now that it's evident he's the predominent wagon

 

[Heyden]

why is this game so dead

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should I claim and make it spicy xD ^.^

 

[PandaDarling]

why is this game so dead

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should I claim and make it spicy xD ^.^

NO CLAIMING !!!

I’m here I’m sorry I had a friends birthday party, I’m half dead rn... who we lynching ?

 

[Dolby]

NO CLAIMING !!!

I’m here I’m sorry I had a friends birthday party, I’m half dead rn... who we lynching ?

Tom right now, but he's probably being modkilled anyway

 

[Ghostkid]

Im just gonna keep a vote on tom.