Wait hokd on, if Tom doesn't vote that means he gets modkilled too ? This lynch is going to be so tricky because any of these players can just come in after we vote, like 2 minutes before and vote to save themselves. For now I will remove my vote on Tom in case he gets modkilled instead.
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I actually think his idgaf jokey attitude is a scumtell and doing an analysis of it right now
Well thats the reason im voting for him...should we just wait till he gets modkilled...im not sure we have anymore people to replace him with
Antonio
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Sorry for the quick reply, It's Saturday which is cleaning day. That being said, I think my first pick would still be fireninja1. He refused to answer my question at the beginning of the game but then he goes vote for Ryumia because he/she doesn't like to defend them self when they are asked something (a question). I still think it's very hypocritical.
My previous question was about why did fireninja stop with the punchy vote when amazon said so. It was long past considered a joke and there was really no reasonable reason behind it. When punchy said "???" curious about why he voted for him, all fireninja1 said "still voting for punchy". Why didn't you change your vote when Ness was giving valid points about how stupid it was? What made amazons intense statement change your mind? I still think you deny to answer that question and then vote for someone else because they won't answer someone else's question is very stupid imo.
Of course, I might change my vote to Mog or Tom (Due to inactivity or lack of contribution) because I'm not too positive about this theory. What is everyone's opinion about fireninja1? Why haven't I seen much discussion about fire like I do with dolby and tom.
Anyways, I'm going to wait to vote later just incase something else happens. I have to go back cleaning but I'll be reading....
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QUOTE=N e s s;7826983]Because I'm on mobile so I can't see the voting thread while typing, and I wouldn't have been surprised if you were testing the waters with a reaction test.
Also you're being pretty aggressive agent hydra, game barely started and you apparently already have your vote on someone known for doing dumb crap.[/QUOTE]
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I'm still under the impression that Tom v Antonio is scum v scum given some of the reactions when I was gone. I'd be fine just intentionally keeping them at similar numbers in the vote thread in case of MK
amazonevan19
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oh damn that's right
Will people still be modkilled for inactivity if they swoop in 1 minute before the deadline and vote without saying anything substantial in the thread?
That's actually a good idea. We literally have to be quicker than the inactives on this lynch to ensure we get a good lynch and not some faulty modkill lynch waste. I really hope enough players will be online to help sway the votes should any of them post. Already we lost Jacob to a wedding with his double votes.
Btw, I meant town v scum there. But I don't consider scum v scum to be impossible
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Can you not? I think that may put me in the lead for votes
amazonevan19
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can I just say, Antonio's sheeping Mog/Tom and the giant grab bag of quotes do not help him look town in the slightest
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the fact he's still going after fireninja is also LOLworthy
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hi amanda, I see you, welcome
thoughts, town/scumleans, lynch candidates for today when you can
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the fact he's still going after fireninja is also LOLworthy
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hi amanda, I see you, welcome
thoughts, town/scumleans, lynch candidates for today when you can
Antonio
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can I just say, Antonio's sheeping Mog/Tom and the giant grab bag of quotes do not help him look town in the slightest
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the fact he's still going after fireninja is also LOLworthy
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hi amanda, I see you, welcome
Why is it lol worthy?
IDK if i should take that as a possible town/scum lean...and if i should...which one?
Because everyone has made decent points as to why we should dismiss FN's behavior. I feel like you consistently going after him is a desperate way to distract us.
amazonevan19
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cuz you're ignoring fireninja's meta (past history) entirely to keep deathtunnelling him. I would not be surprised if what you're doing is a noob scum tunnel. If you have a sus of fireninja, it may be best to find characteristics about him that are scummy aside from the point you've repeated 9,001 times and has been discussed and cast aside already.
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it's not alignment indicative (AI) imo - either side wouldn't want to get lynched
though it could be a sly way for dolby to appear concerned about the vote outcome, but really that's a huge stretch
vocab [SUP]4 newbs[/SUP]
[ML = mislynch
MYLO = mislynch or lose
LYLO = lynch or lose]
[ML = mislynch
MYLO = mislynch or lose
LYLO = lynch or lose]
if there's 5 mafia [ 16t v 5m ]
in which case say we have >> d2 ML + n2 3kp = 17 players on d3 made up of [ 12 town v 5 scum ] >> d3 ML & n3 3kp = 13 [ 8t v 5m ] d4 LYLO
or 6 mafia [ 15t v 6m ]>> d2 ML + n2 3kp = [ 11t v 6m ] >> d3 ML + 3kp = [ 6t v 7 ] d4 LYLO
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meaning:
1. if there were 6 mafia our chances to lynch scum on lylo would actually be improved, assuming no modkills or saves etc.
2. if there was 6 mafia a modkill on d2 would mean a D3 MYLO [ 10 v 6 ]
3. if there was 5 mafia a modkill on d2 would mean a D4 LYLO [ 7 v 5 ] with slightly better odds [ from 38% to 41% ]
basically a modkill is not good for us. like, if theres 5 mafia it increases our statistical chances by 5%, sure whatever. but if there's 6 mafia then it makes d3 mylo which is just not worth it lol.
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forgot to mention i think there's 5 mafia, but tbh its kinda fine if there's 6
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**** on the part about 6 mafia, its supposed to be
>> d3 ML + 3kp = [ 7t v 6m] d4 LYLO
NOT
>> d3 ML + 3kp = [ 6t v 7 ] d4 LYLO
I'M AN IDIOT SORY
amazonevan19
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live footage of glow rn
Yeah, I'm not really all that concerned at this point that Tom is just a quiet townie anymore. Going back to OW mafia, where he was a townie, and comparing that to now and when he was scum in AoT there are a few differences that shine out. Again, if you really read through his play in AoT, you'll be able to see that his tone is very reactionary towards people who have been accusing him, in comparison to his town play. In OW, his play I honestly feel was lackluster, but he at least went to the effort to analyze claims and pressure people over them. One word before I do this, I'm not going to go through all of Tom's AoT posts. Many of them are just fluff, jokes, or worthless
What characterizes Tom's scumplay here? Tbh, I am somewhat tempted to right this off as a joke post, with the exception of the first line. It's edgy for the purpose of being edgy, and is trying to mascarade as legitimate content. In the context of the game, maybe the first line, criticizing Ashtot for hypocritically criticizing bandwagons, was useful. But the rest of it is merely trying to hide under it
Lines three and four are game mechanics discussion trying to mascarade as helpful, and line 5 is again, aggrevating Glow. We also see his "reactionary tone" here. The one of only two marginally useful things that he's done so far here is intentionally aggrevate Glow. Why? Because she's pressuring him and wants to delegitimize the pressure that she's applying
What do we have so far that's an attempt to delegitimize pressure
Especially interesting since he put support down behind Kayla early inthe game.
And where do we see him attempting to pretend to be helpful, pretty much all game tbh. I'm gonna ignore the posts before #100, he would be unhelpful there as town anyways.
What is this? Honestly, again, pretending to be helpful. Here he affirms his support for lynching "deadweights"
Not following the pattern of trying to mascarade. I feel that this is a genuine sentiment that he has though.
Already covered this, but again, reactionary, and turning on one of maybe two people who it could be interpreted he loosely townread earlier.
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Alright, I've covered how he's similar to his scum play, but why is he dissimilar to his townplay?
Gonna be using OW mafia for reference, I personally feel that that's the game in which he's displayed the most simil[CHARGE][/CHARGE]ar playstyle to, well, this thus far
Lowkey, this is actually more similar to current so far than I would've thought honestly
Second real post into OW mafia, and I feel at this point you can easily begin to see a difference. He's definitively taking a stance on Endless here, saying that he doesn't trust him. Rather than poke holes at his accusers and reply to them in a non-serious manner, he replys entirely differently. He addresses what's been brought against him, doesn't OMGUS his accuser, and continues to hold his stance.
I'm going to stop here as I have to leave in about 15 minutes and want to complete some other stuff. But really, there's two main differences between scum and town Tom. 1. He actually makes reads and takes stances as town 2. As town, he will address the people sussing him in an actual satisfactory manner
I'm gonna drop the jokey point because he does kinda joke around in a few posts in OW mafia I feel, but that doesn't change the fact that in this game Tom has made practically no reads and that his defense has a turnaround on ILY
Tom in AoT said:
What characterizes Tom's scumplay here? Tbh, I am somewhat tempted to right this off as a joke post, with the exception of the first line. It's edgy for the purpose of being edgy, and is trying to mascarade as legitimate content. In the context of the game, maybe the first line, criticizing Ashtot for hypocritically criticizing bandwagons, was useful. But the rest of it is merely trying to hide under it
And again, his scumposts continue to follow this model of posting. The first line pressuring somebody to provide an explantion (couldn't exactly determine who in the context of things). However the rest of the post really isn't worth even writing. The second line is actually like really useful to meTom in AoT said:Still I think we'd all appreciate a little more effort going forth? Her explaining her five susses is a good start already.
Going to mimic what Trundle said and wonder why you think you're important enough to constantly N1? People who get N1 constantly tend to get worse due to lack of play.
Sorry, would you like more RQS so I seem more helpful to you?Or would you like me to take charge of leading a lynch, probably a mislynch so I better fit your narrative? I'd rather prod folks until I find something I'm confident about.
Or to your team.If we're up against a 5 man mafia team (Which is most likely), that three KP is going to butter someone's biscuits.
A) Try your best so we all suceed
B) You were headed in the right direction and someone can pickup your slack where you left off.
Rather than actually respond with some content, he intentionally pokes at it, not to defend himself but to aggrevate Glow. It's actually a typical OMGUS reaction, saying that she's intentionally playing badGlow in AoT said:
Lines three and four are game mechanics discussion trying to mascarade as helpful, and line 5 is again, aggrevating Glow. We also see his "reactionary tone" here. The one of only two marginally useful things that he's done so far here is intentionally aggrevate Glow. Why? Because she's pressuring him and wants to delegitimize the pressure that she's applying
What do we have so far that's an attempt to delegitimize pressure
Especially interesting since he put support down behind Kayla early inthe game.
And turns around to sus her once she lays the pressure down on him. Remind you of anything? AoT and Glow.
And where do we see him attempting to pretend to be helpful, pretty much all game tbh. I'm gonna ignore the posts before #100, he would be unhelpful there as town anyways.
What is this? Honestly, again, pretending to be helpful. Here he affirms his support for lynching "deadweights"
If anything, he's admitting to being intentionally unhelpful herehttp://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?446202-Call-the-Ships-to-Port-Game-Thread&p=7827414&viewfull=1#post7827414?]@Trundle in response to this post:[/url] I dunno if this is the post you mentioned as a call or if it?s a different one, but I?m not sure what you?re expecting from me? Ya?ll know I don?t take D1 seriously like at all, I think they?re the most boring part of the game. I like looking at the kills and then trying to tie back to people.
Again, what's notable is that his line on Dad is literally the only stance on anybody that he took before D2. Pretty much the only reason that he posted is probably because he felt pressured to do so.
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Not following the pattern of trying to mascarade. I feel that this is a genuine sentiment that he has though.
If you don't see how this falls into the general trope of scum!Tom, you may be blind. Kammm is lowkey pushing him to post more, and he uses discussion on the nature of gut reads to pretend to be helpful.
Already covered this, but again, reactionary, and turning on one of maybe two people who it could be interpreted he loosely townread earlier.
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Alright, I've covered how he's similar to his scum play, but why is he dissimilar to his townplay?
Gonna be using OW mafia for reference, I personally feel that that's the game in which he's displayed the most simil[CHARGE][/CHARGE]ar playstyle to, well, this thus far
Lowkey, this is actually more similar to current so far than I would've thought honestly
First real post of the game, honestly kinda similar to AoT and now. The only real difference is that he's actually head on challenging and taking a stance on Endless's claim, but I guess you could argue that neither of the other games had a serious debatable claim on D1Tom in OW said:
1. I don't buy his claim and that's playing meta based off role names
2. Because you guys will test it while they kill
3. I haven't felt a real need to say anything
4. If I wanted to meta game I'd ask that we all mass name claim and then Lynch from there.
I thought you being stupid, so I called you out on it. I don't trust Endless.
Second real post into OW mafia, and I feel at this point you can easily begin to see a difference. He's definitively taking a stance on Endless here, saying that he doesn't trust him. Rather than poke holes at his accusers and reply to them in a non-serious manner, he replys entirely differently. He addresses what's been brought against him, doesn't OMGUS his accuser, and continues to hold his stance.
I also think what's important here is that he continues to hold an unpopular opinion
Continues pressuring Endless
I'm going to stop here as I have to leave in about 15 minutes and want to complete some other stuff. But really, there's two main differences between scum and town Tom. 1. He actually makes reads and takes stances as town 2. As town, he will address the people sussing him in an actual satisfactory manner
I'm gonna drop the jokey point because he does kinda joke around in a few posts in OW mafia I feel, but that doesn't change the fact that in this game Tom has made practically no reads and that his defense has a turnaround on ILY
TL;DR
we should lynch in the people that are likely to be mk'd, so i guess in that respect both tom/mog are fine lynches
of course this is all just like from a mathematical sense in a game that has very little to do with math. first and foremost you should lynch the people that you think are mafia, but the reason i've constantly been saying that mog is an optimal lynch is because for me she falls into both of these categories
we should lynch in the people that are likely to be mk'd, so i guess in that respect both tom/mog are fine lynches
of course this is all just like from a mathematical sense in a game that has very little to do with math. first and foremost you should lynch the people that you think are mafia, but the reason i've constantly been saying that mog is an optimal lynch is because for me she falls into both of these categories
Eh, I think that's bad play,. I feel that as maf he'd be going after me or Tom right now (or Ryu, but I honestly feel that that trains dead) simply as a method to get the lynch off of him considering that we're the three major candidates at this point. Though again, I don't feel that a Antonio/Tom scum team can't be ruled out honestlycan I just say, Antonio's sheeping Mog/Tom and the giant grab bag of quotes do not help him look town in the slightest
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the fact he's still going after fireninja is also LOLworthy
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hi amanda, I see you, welcome
I really need to look into Antonio more
