Mafia CHATBOT MAFIA...Chapter 5: The Glitch... ENDGAME?

[tessa grace]

I was assuming it was 2, but good question!

Oh do we know the number of mafia? I've been going off of baby park where literally everything was unknown

Ok so now im so confused i thought it was 1

I read this as mastermind, not masterminds, but this is AI, so I guess we'll just have to wait for a confirmation from Bianca.

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Also, i'll probably be on until the hour ends. You'll see more activity from me tomorrow because I don't have work.

I'm still thinking about Betsy's original comment about itand now I'm curious: what is everyone else's thoughts on the power mechanic?

 

[FrostyAlmonds]

Ack, gone for an hour and I already missed so much discussion. Going to try and catch up.

 

[BetsySundrop]

from the layer list it seems raven kitty is the only one who hasn’t checked in yet? everyone else seems moderately active at least. so hopefully we don’t go that route

And Boring... I'm subbing for tntduo.

 

[Damniel]

And Boring... I'm subbing for tntduo.

whoops them too. guess we do have a fair share of players left to check in

 

[FrostyAlmonds]

First off @BetsySundrop can you confirm if you got your role? Obviously not what it is (unless you are mafia and want to play vigilantly and be team town anyway lol!) but just so we know you're fully in the game.

You bring up some excellent points about the mystery power though, After I reply I'm going to research some examples about mafia game power ups because I'm really only familiar with the cop being able to investigate. I haven't really seen any games with powerups beyond when I looked for the baby park thread (still haven't read though it though so I'm just aware they were there), so I'm kind of in the dark in general about what these powers could do so want to research about them a little before I can add to this discussion.

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By fully in the game, I mean like you know what team you're on

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ARG, the no editing rule is my downfall. Also re who to vote. Totally on board with the voting for someone inactive because they probably won't help much later game. Unless of course there is a strong suspicion about who is mafia before day ends. As for powerup, also agree we should find our strongest townlead. But on both counts, it's still early on in the day so wehave time to talk this out. I don't want to pin Ravenkitty or Boring as inactive yet since it hasn't been a full 24 hours. I'll detail in another post about my feelings on everyone after catching up.

have you played mafia on a site other than this one?

Nope! This is my first time so I am a complete mafia baby. I skim lurked a couple of the games here before signing up to get a grasp of how to play though and checking rules and such, as well as I have played spyfall once before so I get the whole investigation/deception nature of the game. I'm determined to solve this game with the rest of my town comrades and will do my best to pully my weight.

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Haha, that's also a good point Kiko. The buddying is something to consider too. I've just been reading it as banter between friends catching up, but I guess in this game, we should analyze anything and everything.

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Very good question Tessa. I was under the impression of there being 2 and a cop based on the 7 player format. But with the power up system this isn't a vanilla game of mafia. I personally wasn't paying close attention the the chatbox diction since it's an ai and all, but I totally see why it would make you second guess how many mafia there are.

 

[tessa grace]

Totally on board with the voting for someone inactive because they probably won't help much later game.

I disagree entirely. Going by basic mafia rules, unless specified otherwise by the host (there weren't many rules to begin with, so Bianca, help me outhere?), inactive are most likely going to be replaced or mod killed if they haven't provided anything of sustenance after a certain time period, so voting them off would be a waste of a vote and in mafia's power.
Plus, they could be cop, for all we know. Its too risky if people end up showing later in the game. I've been late to a game before so I get the struggle.

I'm pretty sure that since this is your first game you just didn't know that as there's not a lot of clarified rules in this game.

In regards to the fact that you have no experience I must say I'm really impressed with how much you've been participating and trying, Frosty! Kudos to that.

 

[FrostyAlmonds]

Yup, we are still waiting on two players. But like I mentioned before, it hasn't been a full 24 hours so I don't want to mark them as inactive just yet. Hopefully they can pop in soon.


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Anyways. Onto the reads in order of who posted first (spoilers, I have no idea)


Kikotoot- I was jabbing at you about the 'how I want to play' comment but I really don't think that's a mafia tell and just deciding how you want to have fun with the game. But overall you seem trustworthy so far.

Tessa Grace- Betsy sussed you out but it seemed rather blind (and again, she didn't know her own role yet when she did so I'm not thinking about it). So far your initial comment about being glad you aren't mafia then questioning the number of mafia seems genuine to me.

Damniel- I like the questions you're asking. Not only because it's making people elaborate their thoughts, but it's also allowing the rest of us to question and think about it too. So you seem like you are trying to figure things out.

BetsySundrop- I don't even know if you know what you are. I would like you to be town though because you are out there with the detective work.


Boring and Ravenkitty22- To be determined.

TLR, accusing people is hard! I want to trust all of you but I know really shouldn't.

 

[BetsySundrop]

First off @BetsySundrop can you confirm if you got your role? Obviously not what it is (unless you are mafia and want to play vigilantly and be team town anyway lol!) but just so we know you're fully in the game.

Nope. No clue still. I pm'd bianca though, so next time she's on, I should have it.

Going by basic mafia rules, unless specified otherwise by the host (there weren't many rules to begin with, so Bianca, help me outhere?), inactive are most likely going to be replaced or mod killed if they haven't provided anything of sustenance after a certain time period, so voting them off would be a waste of a vote and in mafia's power.

I think I'm the only sub, but if inactives will be for sure modkilled, then yeah, don't waste the vote. But in past games, modkill didn't happen until later, if at all, and ended up being a pain. We need clarification...

@Biancasbotique
-Do we get to know if there's 1 or 2 maf?
-Are inactives modkilled?
-What's my role? (Maybe dont post it here, unless I'm town...)

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TLR, accusing people is hard! I want to trust all of you but I know really shouldn't.

Never trust anyone!

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[FrostyAlmonds]

Ah, okay that is a legitimate point! I didn't think about the modkill part so it would be a wasted vote in that case. I just saw Betsy's comment here but now that you mention it, that does have some flaws too. Oof. (not throwing you under the bus Betsy! I just really liked your argument as to why).

I'd like to add...in games with inactives, it can be really frustrating to have them still hanging around toward the end of the game. Then you end up voting based on zero information. Also, wolfy characters can use inactives as targets later in the game. So I do think it's better to elim them earlier.

I feel like losing a weaker link (aka someone not trying to help solve this game) would be safer though. So if they are active enough to not be booted, but also contributing nothing to the game (not aiming this at anyone here of course, just thinking out loud), in that case Betsy's suggestion would be good. But if they straight up never post/post once or twice it would be a waste.

***Sorry, can I ask what happens in the case of a modkill? Does that mean that day we don't vote for anyone? Does mafia (assuming they weren't the one modkilled) get an additional night kill in that scenario too? Or does that kind of count as a free day where neither we nor mafia can do anything?

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Okay. Thanks for the heads up Betsy. Hopefully Bianca can fill you in soon. I appreciate that you are still trying to engage even if your role is in limbo.

I know we just started and my brain is already exploding on how to vote and everything, but so far this has been a lot of fun. Thanks for being an awesome and welcoming group everyone.

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Never trust anyone!

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But can't I trust myself???? I know I'm innocent at least. (the fact when you can't even say that about yourself yet)

 

[BetsySundrop]

***Sorry, can I ask what happens in the case of a modkill? Does that mean that day we don't vote for anyone? Does mafia (assuming they weren't the one modkilled) get an additional night kill in that scenario too? Or does that kind of count as a free day where neither we nor mafia can do anything?

Depends on the host as to conditions for modkill, but usually we would still vote.

But can't I trust myself???? I know I'm innocent at least. (the fact when you can't even say that about yourself yet)

Ikr?
Pretty sure I'm town, though. Fingers crossed!

 

[Ravenkitty22]

Hi everyone! Sorry I wasn't active last night or today, school kinda kicked my butt lol. Seems like not much has happened so far, so that's good.

Hello everyone. Popping in a bit late to the game start (realized I mixed up my timezones, lol) just to introduce myself. Loved the ice cream Al!

Question time!
1. Name/pronouns
2. Have you played mafia before? If yes, fav/least fav games you've done?
3. When are you going to be available or most active for this game? (this will prevent any early on suspicions of inactive because we're NOT going down that spiral again)
4. Are you mafia?
5. Favorite ice cream flavor?

A little late but here:
1. Raven, she/they
2. Nope, this is my first game! I've read through a couple of the recent threads though so I think I have an idea of how it works.
3. My time zone is CDT/CST, and I'm still in school (with theater rehearsal after that), so I'll be inactive then. Probably between 7pm and 9pm my time on weekdays is when I'll be most active, which is kind of perfect because that's right around start/end of day. If I'm still around to see weekends, I'll generally be more active.
4. Nope... are you?
5. Gotta go chocolate chip cookie dough. It's super underrated imo.

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Okay, actually read through everything instead of skimming it now. I'm in favor of day one elimination, and based on what I read I think it would be better to do it than not. Everything's still a bit confusing, so just bear with me lol.

Never trust anyone!

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Trust? What's that? /j

Just for curiosity @Biancasbotique are roles revealed at death?

 

[BetsySundrop]

Hi everyone! Sorry I wasn't active last night or today, school kinda kicked my butt lol. Seems like not much has happened so far, so that's good.


A little late but here:
1. Raven, she/they
2. Nope, this is my first game! I've read through a couple of the recent threads though so I think I have an idea of how it works.
3. My time zone is CDT/CST, and I'm still in school (with theater rehearsal after that), so I'll be inactive then. Probably between 7pm and 9pm my time on weekdays is when I'll be most active, which is kind of perfect because that's right around start/end of day. If I'm still around to see weekends, I'll generally be more active.
4. Nope... are you?
5. Gotta go chocolate chip cookie dough. It's super underrated imo.

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Okay, actually read through everything instead of skimming it now. I'm in favor of day one elimination, and based on what I read I think it would be better to do it than not. Everything's still a bit confusing, so just bear with me lol.

Trust? What's that? /j

Just for curiosity @Biancasbotique are roles revealed at death?

Welcome to the game!

 

[Ravenkitty22]

Ah, okay that is a legitimate point! I didn't think about the modkill part so it would be a wasted vote in that case. I just saw Betsy's comment here but now that you mention it, that does have some flaws too. Oof. (not throwing you under the bus Betsy! I just really liked your argument as to why).

I feel like losing a weaker link (aka someone not trying to help solve this game) would be safer though. So if they are active enough to not be booted, but also contributing nothing to the game (not aiming this at anyone here of course, just thinking out loud), in that case Betsy's suggestion would be good. But if they straight up never post/post once or twice it would be a waste.

***Sorry, can I ask what happens in the case of a modkill? Does that mean that day we don't vote for anyone? Does mafia (assuming they weren't the one modkilled) get an additional night kill in that scenario too? Or does that kind of count as a free day where neither we nor mafia can do anything?

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Okay. Thanks for the heads up Betsy. Hopefully Bianca can fill you in soon. I appreciate that you are still trying to engage even if your role is in limbo.

I know we just started and my brain is already exploding on how to vote and everything, but so far this has been a lot of fun. Thanks for being an awesome and welcoming group everyone.

I agree with pretty much everything you said (even though I didn't have the best first impression). I want to start some action but I know it's only day 1 so I have to be patient.

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Welcome to the game!

Thank you! (Not sure if this type of thing is okay but it would be weird if I didn't respond)

 

[tessa grace]

Nope. No clue still. I pm'd bianca though, so next time she's on, I should have it.



I think I'm the only sub, but if inactives will be for sure modkilled, then yeah, don't waste the vote. But in past games, modkill didn't happen until later, if at all, and ended up being a pain. We need clarification...

@Biancasbotique
-Do we get to know if there's 1 or 2 maf?
-Are inactives modkilled?
-What's my role? (Maybe dont post it here, unless I'm town...)

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Never trust anyone!

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Forgot you were a sub, lol. But even if theres not a modkill we'll know if mafia is an ia based on the morning when theres no kill so my point still stands. Unless ia is pretending, but that's seriously a pain in itself and against common courtesy so I'd doubt it.

 

[Damniel]

wow is everyone down with an elimination? there’s usually someone who advocates for not having one

currently im getting good vibes from betsy and frosty. tessa im currently still neutral on, but she’s posting enough for me to want to keep her today and continue reading as the game progresses

kilo i feel is asking some nice questions and making small comments. nothing out of the ordinary there but nothing that makes me scream town yet either

raven and boring i still need more from obvs

 

[FrostyAlmonds]

Need to focus on work for an hour or two so gonna go silent in the meantime. Just wanted to say hi Raven, welcome! And really, no worries about being late, IRL comes first which is why I want to give you and Boring the benefit of the doubt for not being here right away.

 

[BetsySundrop]

Forgot you were a sub, lol. But even if theres not a modkill we'll know if mafia is an ia based on the morning when theres no kill so my point still stands. Unless ia is pretending, but that's seriously a pain in itself and against common courtesy so I'd doubt it.

Now we're down to just one ia, which helps. I'm about to sign off for the night. I'll check back at 10pm briefly. Maybe bianca will post some info then.

 

[tessa grace]

Okay just read up on the past hour and I have a few things to say.
This is always a discussion every day one: whether or not to vote inactives. I am not going to vote boring today under any circumstances if they do not post. The idea of voting out less helpful town just because they're less helpful feels... scummy to me, in a way? Often, but mot not always, mafia is assertive, rather than hiding, so I highly doubt this IA is intentional. I'd much rather take my chances on the 5 other people who are actually providing information in their reads and thoughts and vote off of them instead of take a gamble on somebody who hasn't said anything. Especially when they could be a pr.
If modkills aren't allowed, and boring never shows up, will I vote them off? Still probably not if they're seriously proven inactive. (Last seen and such) because if they're not posting, and still mafia kills are happening, clearly they're not mafia so voting them off is a waste.
If I notice activity but no posts I could change my mind.
Second @ravenkitty you said you agreed with everything Frosty said but do you have your own thoughts or opinions to elaborate on or share so far?

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@Ravenkitty22 ... whoops

 

[Damniel]

on eliminating an inactive or not: the pool of players is too small to keep an inactive in. unless the few posts they made screamed town, they generally stay the object of suspicion for the rest of the game which just ends up hurting town (see many games on here). if they’re not getting replaced, i think it’s worth flipping now

 

[tessa grace]

I'd like to add...in games with inactives, it can be really frustrating to have them still hanging around toward the end of the game. Then you end up voting based on zero information. Also, wolfy characters can use inactives as targets later in the game. So I do think it's better to elim them earlier.

this feels so much like town betsy its freaking me out a little, because you said something so similar in monster mash:

Same. I might vote starlit. Sometimes a vote can result in activity...lol.

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Voting @StarlitGlitch ...don't want a replay of previous games with inactive, unsolvable slots, but it's possible starlit will show or ask for replacement. Still plenty of time...

I don't religiously compare people to previous games and style and technique evolves, but damn, betsy. You are so consistent it gets difficult to read you.

But this does feel town to me. I don't entirely agree with the sentiment but I see the parallels you place between games and I think thats hard to replicate and win as mafia.

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Spoiler: hehe

i have got to stop doing this so often