Mafia CHATBOT MAFIA...Chapter 5: The Glitch... ENDGAME?

[FrostyAlmonds]

Okay, first off to continue with the vote inactive or no thing. I'm still on team vote inactive. BUT, I'm not saying right here and now that I'm voting Boring. I still want to see if they show up, or if someone screams mafia to me to get my vote. Even without the existence of modkill, I don't think they will help solve the game later on if they aren't doing anything now? This is more of a game meta opinion than a game winning perspective--so probably an awful take for mafia, but I just feel like if they aren't super active than they may not be as invested to the game. So I'd rather not kick out someone who is really wanting to play and making things more lively/exciting in favour of protecting someone who will post the bare minimum and not engage.

And reiterating again that this is if there is no information to strongly suspect a maf member and I'm throwing a random name in the hat for voting. The inactive player still has just as much chance of rolling maf as the active player so...

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@tessa grace . Curious. if you are adamantly against voting for Boring for inactivity, do you have any thoughts on who you want to vote yet? IIRC you said you didn't want to vote no elim. Not putting you on the spot if you don't have any ideas yet (I've already said I'm waiting things out longer too after all), just curious because I don't remember reading if you had any opinions on anyone yet. If you did...I'm sorry I have the memory of a goldfish.

Also, is your stance on fully against voting inactive just a day one play or any day play? (I'm sorry to ask this since you expressed how much you hate it!) If final 3 ended up being you (as town), an active player, and the inactive player who hasn't contributed much all game, how would proceed then? I hope this doesn't read accusatory to your opinion, I just want to better understand your perspective.

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Uh, minus your townread on Betsy of course. Though I don't think that can really count yet since Betsy wasn't 100% on her role. I guess we'll see how her perspective changes now that she is caught up (congrats Betsy! Be honest, you town or maf? )

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because i don't, haha. what's freaky is how almost identical the two discussions have been. it's like just off putting, because when looking for her opinion on ia in other threads i was not expecting something so similar. in monster mash she also talked about how f3 with an inactive is bad and that was also just mentioned.

Sorry Tessa, another question for you. What do you mean you don't (have the same game plan)? In the case you were town back to back you wouldn't play the same way? If it was town to maf, wouldn't it be suspicious if you completely changed your opinions in the next game? Like, wouldn't that be an easy tell if one game you were adamantly against voting inactive, then the next you were wishywashy about it or aiming your pitchforks?

 

[Biancasbotique]

 

[FrostyAlmonds]

In terms of voting someone out tonight, I'm still a little confused. I definitely see the benefit in voting out an ia instead of one of the talkers in the case we do make a vote to elim, but outside of an inactive person possibly wrongly drawing our suspicions, don't see the value really in voting them out early vs potentially keeping another number for the town. In any case, wouldn't they just eventually be voted off later? The odds still seem to outweigh the benefits for me but if anyone has anecdotes or things from other threads, I'm happy to read up on day-1 votes as a phenomena. Currently still anti-elim tonight (and was the first to be vocal about their stance on that, as well as the first to move from the introductory questions to game chatting. Both things that Damniel missed in his reads about me? a preview for my post-horror-movie reads)

Now see, this is why I asked Tessa about what she would do if final 3 was her, active player, and inactive player. So I'll extend that question to you too.

Personally, I feel like by day 2+ we'd have more info and start the real accusations about mafia, and at that point the inactive would have a higher chance of being overlooked because we'd feel more threatened by the active players? I really don't see inactive players being voted much unless we're back to the deadlock and shooting a shot, or have a strong reason to believe it was them.

But regardless, you're more anti elim, is that going to be your vote (unless we get a sudden drastic revelation) for tonight or you're still feeling things out?

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Re: your read on me (I swear I didn't start being less agreeable because you said that lol, I just had something I can press questions on)

I don't want to completely say hey don't read me this way, I like that you are questioning me and putting me on the spot, but I'll still share my side because this is mafia and we need to clear ourselves. While I can totally see how you came to your feeler that I'm being too agreeable and not weary enough for town, my game here is stepping back to gain perspective and experience.

Consider it more like it's my first day on a kitchen job. I'm not going to go around telling x that they should be using a different sauce for their recipe or pointing fingers at y for replacing the sugar for salt in the cake, and more just going through my orientation, learning how my seniors run the place and gaining the experience to start creating my own dishes and establishing my craft. Not to say I have zero intentions of forming opinions for day 1, I just feel I have a little more time to get adjusted before we get to end of day. I don't have the meta leads a lot of you have about past plays so I want to learn about you all first.

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Also, you have been fun to chat with/play with too. <3 Your reads on everyone else is interesting and something to research myself on too. It's nearly 1:30 am and I'm half asleep so it'll have to wait until tomorrow though.

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Bianca over here crushing our dreams by taunting us with the info we can't have. So basically we are clueless how many maf we're dealing with or if we have a cop. End of day 1/start of day 2 is going to be full of surprises, huh?

And also hey @Dolby welcome to the game!

Sounds like all that vote yes or no to inactivity led us to nothing.

 

[Dolby]

That sounds like a delicious way to start, especially if you dress it up into a pretty sundae! If you do please send pictures!

Welcome back to the mafia scene though. This is my first round so I'm also excited to see how things go. I look forward to playing with you.

The ice cream brain is real though, totally read that as scooping the thread. Choosing how to play though?? Do you have something to hide? (too soon to be suspicious and throw accusations)?

Maybe it would help to read back to that game, for science.



Oh, but for a real ice breaker question. Anyone have preferred names/pronouns/etc they'd like us to know from the start? And, uh, favourite ice cream flavour to keep with the discussion?

I'm Al (with an L, Not to be associated with the ai bots in the op

--thank you @tessa grace for pointing it out lol, will now clarify my name forever--), but enough people call me Frosty or Almonds so whatever works. Not fussed about pronouns either but I am female.

I know I brought it up, but I'm actually not an ice cream person, but back in the day I used to be rather fond of cinnamon bun.

Pronouns are he/him/his, favorite flavor is Orange Sherbert. I go on most places as Dolby or Dolbster.

other RQS thingy.
2. Yes I have played mafia before. On here. I haven't really played a game in earnest in the past 6 monthsish, but I have some old good games on this site That I liked. I'll say Generic mafia like 5 years back
3. I will be most available at the time leading directly up to end of day for today (three hours before)
4. no

Also I'm PST

There is one small part of Tess's RQS that makes me slightly townread her that I might reveal if we're both alive at F3 or something. Maybe Daniel picked up on it, I will be actively searching to mindmeld with him on this. Gonna discard this if somebody tells me something like "Tessa looks for small microreactions as mafia to fake in her posts to look more town"

I would like to formally campaign for the special item. There is a distinct advantage to me holding the special item and that's all that I'll say to that besides "you've just got to trust me on this"

Also I'm like a good 80% sure from reading the OP that we're voting for a specific person to get the power, not if the power is entering the game or not

so far i’m liking betsy for starting the conversation beyond the random question stage. mostly neutral toward everyone else but i’m also liking frosty’s strong attempt at discussion as a new player

This is the first post I can pinpoint beyond just vibes that I don't like on anyone (Frosty maybe bad and Tessa good though I might be biased on Tessa, more on that later). Dan, everything that comes out of Betsy's mouth should be neutral, she has publically professed to not having a role. A majority of her posting has come after stating that she does not have a role. She has stated that she does not have a role yet on multiple occassions. I think that this is a fake thought. She only has 4 posts after this post when she could have received a role

Of course! I already feel betrayed...it could be Tessa...

Spoiler

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kidding, tessa!
Sort of...

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Im assuming town, as it's been several hours and nobody's pm'd me maf wise. But no, I haven't gotten the official role thingy yet.

All of which should be read neutrally, not positively or negatively. Of the four posts, three predomiently focus on if inactives should be voted out, and one is about the number of mafia in the game. All four of these posts can easily come from both alignments, and maybe, maybe, I could say that Betsy probably isn't mafia with one of the inactives (which would be my currently slot and Raven, which, she isn't mafia with me at least), but again, we still don't know if she's received a role PM at this point.

Bottom line, I think this thought was made up to blend in.

And Betsy later claims they still don't have their role lol

wow is everyone down with an elimination? there’s usually someone who advocates for not having one

currently im getting good vibes from betsy and frosty. tessa im currently still neutral on, but she’s posting enough for me to want to keep her today and continue reading as the game progresses

kilo i feel is asking some nice questions and making small comments. nothing out of the ordinary there but nothing that makes me scream town yet either

raven and boring i still need more from obvs

This is basically just Dan's last post again, besides, Tessa is posting enough. What makes her and Kilo different?

also yes Tessa reading Betsy is substantially different to this, just preempting it

I love everything about Kiko's reads in post 78 except funnily enough his read on Dan. I'm gonna call him probable town for now: https://www.belltreeforums.com/threads/chatbot-mafia-day-1.617693/post-10447170

I especially like his Frosty read, it articulates a much of why I am wary of Frosty. With regard to his Tessa read I like everything except knocking her down a peg because he disagrees with her on Day One voting strategy.

I do also want to explicity ask kiko what their overall read on Tessa is, though I get the impression it's town

TL;DR

Tessa Kiko good
Frosty eh
Dan maybe bad

I would like to formally campaign for a vote for Dan in Black and a vote for Dolby in Blue . In addition, to those who are wondering how to use their blue votes, I would recommend that you just vote for the person who you think is most likely to be town. Though besides that, I would be very appreciative if you I were to receive the special power.

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Okay just read up on the past hour and I have a few things to say.
This is always a discussion every day one: whether or not to vote inactives. I am not going to vote boring today under any circumstances if they do not post. The idea of voting out less helpful town just because they're less helpful feels... scummy to me, in a way? Often, but mot not always, mafia is assertive, rather than hiding, so I highly doubt this IA is intentional. I'd much rather take my chances on the 5 other people who are actually providing information in their reads and thoughts and vote off of them instead of take a gamble on somebody who hasn't said anything. Especially when they could be a pr.
If modkills aren't allowed, and boring never shows up, will I vote them off? Still probably not if they're seriously proven inactive. (Last seen and such) because if they're not posting, and still mafia kills are happening, clearly they're not mafia so voting them off is a waste.
If I notice activity but no posts I could change my mind.
Second @ravenkitty you said you agreed with everything Frosty said but do you have your own thoughts or opinions to elaborate on or share so far?

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@Ravenkitty22 ... whoops

As for why I’m fine with this stance which occurs 23 minutes after Tessa explicitly acknowledges a post in which Betsy says she hasn’t received her role PM yet, and not with Dan basically coming to the same conclusion as Tessa

It comes down to that I think that Tessa believes what she’s saying. I think that “oh Betsy doesn’t know what she is yet” slips her mind, she sees a post, and thinks “oh, this is similar to a mindset that Betsy has in a past game”, though I don’t like this post for a different reason (that Tessa is trying to read Betsy off of a stance that she’s probably gonna hold regardless of her alignment unless she’s teammed with somebody who isn’t posting, which I think is easy to replicate as mafia). Still I can totally see somebody (Tessa) looking at the similar mindset exhibited between the two games and going “yeah, probably town again”. And she does kinda address it in saying that Betsy is consistent I feel. Don’t agree with the read (even if Betsy did have a role PM at this point), but this is not what Dan did.

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this feels so much like town betsy its freaking me out a little, because you said something so similar in monster mash:

I don't religiously compare people to previous games and style and technique evolves, but damn, betsy. You are so consistent it gets difficult to read you.

But this does feel town to me. I don't entirely agree with the sentiment but I see the parallels you place between games and I think thats hard to replicate and win as mafia.

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Spoiler: hehe

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i have got to stop doing this so often

I grabbed the wrong Tessa quote it’s this one

 

[Dolby]

Kiko is a bigger townread than Tessa, reading Tessa’s iso again

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Gonna go to bed and implore a blue vote for me and a black vote for Dan.

 

[BetsySundrop]

Woke up to my role pm in my inbox and the ia replaced with active- good news all around. I hereby declare my official allegiance to town! (Yeah, I know, proof positive right there, lol...)

Uh, minus your townread on Betsy of course. Though I don't think that can really count yet since Betsy wasn't 100% on her role. I guess we'll see how her perspective changes now that she is caught up (congrats Betsy! Be honest, you town or maf? )

Town! Just got my role. Perspective unchanged from yesterday, but with Dolby replacing Boring - at least we don't have inactives to deal with, lol.

A majority of her posting has come after stating that she does not have a role. She has stated that she does not have a role yet on multiple occassions. I think that this is a fake thought. She only has 4 posts after this post when she could have received a role

3. check inbox! I apologize as it slipped out my mind!

I am very curious about why you thought my lack of role was fake when Bianca had just previously apologized, before you posted, for not sending it?

But yes, it's true, I had no idea, so just figured I was likely town, which has now been confirmed (if only to myself, lol).

And also hey @Dolby welcome to the game!

Sounds like all that vote yes or no to inactivity led us to nothing.

Yes! Welcome to the game, Dolby! And no ia = awesome.

Gonna go to bed and implore a blue vote for me and a black vote for Dan.

Yeah, I can't tell, at this point, if this campaign for the power vote is coming from a town or wolf...I've got no vibes, so I think maybe I won't commit to who will get my blue vote tonight until it gets closer to eod and more is posted.

On Dan - I can never tell with Dan, but right now I think I'd like to see how the day goes, see all the responses/activity from people, before I decide who to vote.

In terms of the voting to give out a power, that is something I def think we should do tonight because we know for certain the odds are about as much in our favour as they ever will be for the early game.

Agree. The numbers favor us most d1.

I'm literally down for us to pick someone at random that we all vote for to get the power just so there's no opportunity for the mafia to take advantage of there being little evidence rn to talk in ways that gives them a good read and get the power.

Only thing that makes me uncomfortable with this is that I wouldn't want to vote to give it to my most sus person. Other than that, it's a good idea. What do you think of Dolby asking for the power, and what he could do with it?

Similarly, I myself didn't count Betsy's initial joke-sussing of me as starting the game-chat (as I'm now guessing that you did,

Had to clarify - I was joke sussing tessa. We've played quite a few games on here, so expect a lot of jokes, especially f3 jokes (eh, tessa? ).

And- early votes/sussing are usually "fishing trips" for me, to see how everyone reacts/doesn't react.

 

[tessa grace]

Just caught up and will answer to everything soon.
I put in my blue vote for Frosty Almonds. Simply because she seems the most town based off of my gut.
Dolby I like your jump straight into the game but I'm not granting you my trust yet. And I don't think you having the power will be most beneficial for town.

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It comes down to that I think that Tessa believes what she’s saying. I think that “oh Betsy doesn’t know what she is yet” slips her mind, she sees a post, and thinks “oh, this is similar to a mindset that Betsy has in a past game”, though I don’t like this post for a different reason (that Tessa is trying to read Betsy off of a stance that she’s probably gonna hold regardless of her alignment unless she’s teammed with somebody who isn’t posting, which I think is easy to replicate as mafia). Still I can totally see somebody (Tessa) looking at the similar mindset exhibited between the two games and going “yeah, probably town again”. And she does kinda address it in saying that Betsy is consistent I feel. Don’t agree with the read (even if Betsy did have a role PM at this point), but this is not what Dan did.

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I grabbed the wrong Tessa quote it’s this one

No I definitely forgot that she didn't have her role yet and only thought about that after. Since she was technically playing with no opinion and probably as town I still think the point is valid, though. That was town betsy playing. At this point its not a read but more of speculation in my mind, and a note to look for a change of behavior after this point.

 

[Damniel]

wow the king returns

reading up on the thread now but be warned im doing this on my phone so replies will be choppy

 

[tessa grace]

To elaborate on my first thing, Dolby I can't tell if you're taking advantage of the closed setup or not quite yet. Thats why you don't get the power.

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Sorry Tessa, another question for you. What do you mean you don't (have the same game plan)? In the case you were town back to back you wouldn't play the same way? If it was town to maf, wouldn't it be suspicious if you completely changed your opinions in the next game? Like, wouldn't that be an easy tell if one game you were adamantly against voting inactive, then the next you were wishywashy about it or aiming your pitchforks?

Not drastically, but I'm not perfect in my opinions on how to read people because (i'd like to think) I'm getting better at it.

For example I was very against voting IA and I still don't love the idea but you guys brought up some really good points that I just hadn't considered.
When I first came into mafia blind, I was younger and a lot less understanding of the groove. I'm trying to get it better now, and so you'll see less changes in my style. But i'm not perfectly consistent

 

[Damniel]

Currently still anti-elim tonight (and was the first to be vocal about their stance on that, as well as the first to move from the introductory questions to game chatting. Both things that Damniel missed in his reads about me

Yes I did miss that sorry

So far, tessa hasn't really said anything that feels like going out of the way to seem agreeable to people or anything like that. Everything's been fairly genuine questions and ideas that follow-up on what other people are saying. For the early game, this behaviour strikes me as townie: cautious to a degree because of the limited info, not knowing who to associate with or what for, etc. etc.

All the initial messages were very kurt and prodding. While being too agreeable is one way to put off my senses a little, so is being a little too (I'm at a loss for what to call this exactly rn, words don't feel right, rip my vocabulary). Basically everything on the first two pages were one-liners and were lines of questioning.

It seems like your read of tessa and me are similar but end in different places? I think tessa’s content is fine so far, but with her she usually eventually says something very bold that makes me think she’s strongly town. that hasn’t happened yet but in fairness there’s nothing really substantial yet for her to make a strong claim on. i will also defend myself in that I think i’ve been doing more than just giving one liners

 

[tessa grace]

@tessa grace . Curious. if you are adamantly against voting for Boring for inactivity, do you have any thoughts on who you want to vote yet? IIRC you said you didn't want to vote no elim. Not putting you on the spot if you don't have any ideas yet (I've already said I'm waiting things out longer too after all), just curious because I don't remember reading if you had any opinions on anyone yet. If you did...I'm sorry I have the memory of a goldfish.

My biggest suspicion might be dolby, but he's provided too much in content worth to be voted d1. I can't explicitly point out which quote, it will be resolved endgame.

Right now off of my head, maybe kiko. That could change. Another gut read, and its not like he seems against town steinfly. I almost have school and not enough time to pull up quotes but when I get the time to do small iso's this afternoon I'll elaborate.

 

[Damniel]

Maybe Daniel picked up on it, I will be actively searching to mindmeld with him on this.

Dan, everything that comes out of Betsy's mouth should be neutral, she has publically professed to not having a role. A majority of her posting has come after stating that she does not have a role. She has stated that she does not have a role yet on multiple occassions.

I thought this was some sort of inside joke at first. not even getting her alignment when the game starts is super odd and don’t think i’ve ever seen that happen before

I would like to formally campaign for a vote for Dan in Black and a vote for Dolby in Blue

don’t get how you want to mindmeld with me on tessa but also think i’m sus enough to vote out

 

[tessa grace]

I will also defend myself in that I think i’ve been doing more than just giving one liners

I feel like thats just how you play sometimes, too. You've probably hosted more games I've played in than actually played with you but this feels typical Damniel.

 

[Damniel]

Okay, first off to continue with the vote inactive or no thing. I'm still on team vote inactive. BUT, I'm not saying right here and now that I'm voting Boring. I still want to see if they show up, or if someone screams mafia to me to get my vote. Even without the existence of modkill, I don't think they will help solve the game later on if they aren't doing anything now? This is more of a game meta opinion than a game winning perspective--so probably an awful take for mafia, but I just feel like if they aren't super active than they may not be as invested to the game. So I'd rather not kick out someone who is really wanting to play and making things more lively/exciting in favour of protecting someone who will post the bare minimum and not engage.

And reiterating again that this is if there is no information to strongly suspect a maf member and I'm throwing a random name in the hat for voting. The inactive player still has just as much chance of rolling maf as the active player so...

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@tessa grace . Curious. if you are adamantly against voting for Boring for inactivity, do you have any thoughts on who you want to vote yet? IIRC you said you didn't want to vote no elim. Not putting you on the spot if you don't have any ideas yet (I've already said I'm waiting things out longer too after all), just curious because I don't remember reading if you had any opinions on anyone yet. If you did...I'm sorry I have the memory of a goldfish.

Also, is your stance on fully against voting inactive just a day one play or any day play? (I'm sorry to ask this since you expressed how much you hate it!) If final 3 ended up being you (as town), an active player, and the inactive player who hasn't contributed much all game, how would proceed then? I hope this doesn't read accusatory to your opinion, I just want to better understand your perspective.

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Uh, minus your townread on Betsy of course. Though I don't think that can really count yet since Betsy wasn't 100% on her role. I guess we'll see how her perspective changes now that she is caught up (congrats Betsy! Be honest, you town or maf? )

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Sorry Tessa, another question for you. What do you mean you don't (have the same game plan)? In the case you were town back to back you wouldn't play the same way? If it was town to maf, wouldn't it be suspicious if you completely changed your opinions in the next game? Like, wouldn't that be an easy tell if one game you were adamantly against voting inactive, then the next you were wishywashy about it or aiming your pitchforks?

at this point our only quiet person is raven. are you looking to vote them or do you have other candidates you’d like to bring to the table?

 

[BetsySundrop]

I still don't see voting to elim someone tonight as beneficial to the townies
I do see voting to give a power to someone as beneficial to the townies

Usually the d1 elim is to generate more info (based on how people vote) and also it's the only way we have to take out maf. It's frustrating with only 7 players and not knowing how many are maf. If you have a good case for no elim, make the case, but usually the d1 elim does at least provide info to work with d2.

There is one small part of Tess's RQS that makes me slightly townread her that I might reveal if we're both alive at F3 or something.

Could you share it now? If there are specific reasons to townread someone, please share!

at this point our only quiet person is raven.

I think Raven said they would be on evenings. I know you didn't ask me, but I'm holding off on raven until they post more this evening.

 

[Damniel]

in regards to voting i’m still on the side of not voting betsy frosty or tessa. id probably blue vote one of them.

kilo has generated more reads which i appreciate but i feel the tessa and me reads are kinda similar but end in different ways. and as a no elim candidate i don’t support that since a no elim would not buy us an extra day and gives mafia more power to set the course for the beginning

dolby i always air on the side of caution with and while i’m sure that’s what he’s doing with me, it doesn’t sit well with me how hard he’s trying to get the power vote for. it’s feeling a little pushy for thread control

raven i have no clue on so

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I feel like thats just how you play sometimes, too. You've probably hosted more games I've played in than actually played with you but this feels typical Damniel.

well yeah i make one liners and questions, but i think i’ve done more then what the read gives me credit for

 

[BetsySundrop]

I thought this was some sort of inside joke at first. not even getting her alignment when the game starts is super odd and don’t think i’ve ever seen that happen before

The joke was on me then.

But bianca sent role/apologized, and I have fun either way- with the role or without, lol. Glad I finally got it though...

 

[tessa grace]

My biggest suspicion might be dolby, but he's provided too much in content worth to be voted d1. I can't explicitly point out which quote, it will be resolved endgame.

Right now off of my head, maybe kiko. That could change. Another gut read, and its not like he seems against town steinfly. I almost have school and not enough time to pull up quotes but when I get the time to do small iso's this afternoon I'll elaborate.

strongly* typing on my phone is the worst

 

[BetsySundrop]

strongly* typing on my phone is the worst

Agreed! Lol...and it's slow!

I'll be out for a while, back this afternoon, but wanted to ask everyone's thoughts on power vote, see if we're anywhere close to consensus.

Vote to give power?
My vote is yes.

Who to give power to?
Currently still Frosty, but def not set in stone - a lot can happen in a day.

Dolby really seems to want it, which could be wolf or town, dunno. I'll listen to his reasons if it's more in depth than "trust me", though.

For some reason, dolby is giving me shawo vibes. i could never tell if shawo was eager town or eager wolf...

For elim, with all active, I need more to go on before I decide. Right now I wouldn't vote frosty, maybe not kiko - who does question and go against other opinions and doesn't just follow the crowd, thst I've seen. Maybe not dan... tessa, not sure, there is nothing specific. Why do I feel weird about you this game, tessa?!

Raven on hold until this evening to give time to have input. Dolby - holding off until responds to questions, makes the case for power, lol...d1 is hard.

 

[Dolby]

For full clarity

1. I do not think that Betsy has fake thoughts, I think that Dan thinking that Betsy is town was a fake thought @BetsySundrop

Well Dan, re: 92 I wanted to mindmeld with you at start of game. Made the rest of the post as I read threas