Mafia CHATBOT MAFIA...Chapter 5: The Glitch... ENDGAME?

[tessa grace]

betsy and tessa, how would you feel about having the power?

I would be fine with the power but I think its in towns best interest to give it to someone else.

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God you’re so town

my gut reads are horrible because i felt this to an astronomical level
every time i want to place suspicion on someone they do the most towny thing i've ever heard

 

[Dolby]

tbh both of you (tess and Kiko) coming in and being towny is super validating for my reads

 

[kikotoot]

So Kiko, Dan thinks that Betsy is town bc he thinks that there’s no way Bianca would forget to give a role PM to mafia, but I don’t think Dan is towny anyway, so have at it

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God you’re so town

I can kinda see that logic re: Betsy's role. I'm super curious who'll live to see tomorrow

lol I'm glad that I could achieve such a read day 1
in that case: can I has power
maybe tessa votes power for me too?

part of me is kicking myself for not trying as hard to play the middle as I did in bebe parc, but also maybe I'm just saying that to throw people off

 

[Dolby]

Tessa If you HAD TO vote rn who would you vote

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I can kinda see that logic re: Betsy's role. I'm super curious who'll live to see tomorrow

lol I'm glad that I could achieve such a read day 1
in that case: can I has power
maybe tessa votes power for me too?

part of me is kicking myself for not trying as hard to play the middle as I did in bebe parc, but also maybe I'm just saying that to throw people off

Sorry but I’m keeping my vote on myself until maybe 10 minutes before EoD bc me having power would be very good

 

[kikotoot]

Do you have any suspicions for what the powers could be given bianca's list?

 

[tessa grace]

Tessa If you HAD TO vote rn who would you vote

You sound like my therapist when you ask all these hard questions

idk... dan maybe? betsy if i'm feeling spicy

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Everyone seems town

 

[Dolby]

Do you have any suspicions for what the powers could be given bianca's list?

Nah I’m as clueless as everyone else on that

 

[tessa grace]

Sorry but I’m keeping my vote on myself until maybe 10 minutes before EoD bc me having power would be very good

good for you? or town

 

[kikotoot]

Can we attempt a mindmeld on why you in particular would benefit from the power most?
atm I'm still a little:
no one's alluded to having a non-vanilla role (possibly in their best interest though)
and I can't think of any traditional non-vanilla roles that would benefit from single-use powers
only thing I can think of atm is if bianca created a "scientist" role or smthn where you can learn how to make and re-use any single-use powers you've been given

 

[Dolby]

good for you? or town

Both

 

[kikotoot]

If Dolby and Tess end up being a maf duo imma kick myself so hard

 

[Dolby]

Can we attempt a mindmeld on why you in particular would benefit from the power most?
atm I'm still a little:
no one's alluded to having a non-vanilla role (possibly in their best interest though)
and I can't think of any traditional non-vanilla roles that would benefit from single-use powers
only thing I can think of atm is if bianca created a "scientist" role or smthn where you can learn how to make and re-use any single-use powers you've been given

It’s not so much that I as an individual would benefit from single use power, but instead that I am probably in the best position of town members to use those single use powers and report the results effectively. Unfortunately that’s as much as I’ll say rn

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There are a few things that I could think of that would just be “meh” for me to have over someone else, but there is a major and valuable class of powers that would be especially useful for me to have, in comparison to other people

 

[kikotoot]

Part of me is like: after the chaos that was my last game that was almost solely vibe-based, I'm down for whatever chaos comes from you getting the power tn.
You've definitely been super self-assured since joining (idk if that's a good thing though), but I guess we'll see if the mafia feel threatened enough to kill you tn or not if you do end up getting the power.

Kinda related
@Biancasbotique
Say someone wins the power vote. If the mafia chooses to kill whoever wins the vote, can that person still use the power that night and just not comment on it the next day (cuz they'd be dead)? Or do they die before they get to use the power

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I don't like how I used chaos twice. Meant to distinguish between the different types of chaos

 

[FrostyAlmonds]

Like for Dan it was initially “this guy doesn’t care about if his reads and process are right because it’s mafia, which is why he’s townreading Betsy when he shouldn’t be”, and now it’s like “ok I can believe that he thought that Betsy was joking around that she didn’t have a role, sure, but I don’t really townread you rn”. In comparison to Tessa, where she acknowledged that Betsy didn’t have a PM, but then was like “oh, this is so similar to how you were in your last town game”, which was just believable to me.

Hmm, okay, that does make a lot more sense on how you differentiate the too. You are right that Tessa was really just focusing on the other game more than anything. I really want to see what Dan says in regards to this.

Unless he did. Right now I'm still slowly trying to catch up but the chart is moving too fast. I'm going to be more active after 6 but right nw I have a lot of work to catch up on, so sorry if I'm missing vital conversations.

 

[tessa grace]

Theres a lot of things hanging in the air right now that I don't think we can discuss until after the game for the sake of keeping town alive and its killing me.

 

[Dolby]

Hmm, okay, that does make a lot more sense on how you differentiate the too. You are right that Tessa was really just focusing on the other game more than anything. I really want to see what Dan says in regards to this.

Unless he did. Right now I'm still slowly trying to catch up but the chart is moving too fast. I'm going to be more active after 6 but right nw I have a lot of work to catch up on, so sorry if I'm missing vital conversations.

He just said that he didn’t take it as being serious, and then that Betsy not receiving a role pm is likely towny. Which, I don’t necessarily disbelieve but I think he’s the most sus still

 

[Damniel]

Imo, Dan's been treating Betsy in her "pre-role-knowledge" era a bit too positively, and my guess is that that comes from Dan being maf and knowing that his fellow maf was the person Betsy subbed for, and Dan then assumed that Betsy would absorb their maf role and be on his team so would benefit from painting her in a good light. Then there's my overall read on Dan (which, again, could just be how he plays but strikes me as slightly maf-ish). Then there's also the fact that now, having knowledge of her role, Betsy is still relatively forgiving of Dan, and didn't aknowledge how he treated her pre-role-knowledge as a disclaimer.

i think it’s interesting that you’re quite confident that there’s 2 mafia. i actually think that, balance wise, there’s only 1. math wise we’d get 3 chances to eliminate with 1 maf which feels to be the standard. i guess it could be 2 if you factor in the roles, but i wouldn’t say im confident there’s 2

in regards to this theory of our pairing, i think objectively it doesn’t work. if i was mafia and the betsy slot was my partner, i would know that she didn’t receive her role yet. why bother townreading her off the bat knowing that everyone else is aware she hasn’t received her alignment yet?

 

[Biancasbotique]

Say someone wins the power vote. If the mafia chooses to kill whoever wins the vote, can that person still use the power that night and just not comment on it the next day (cuz they'd be dead)? Or do they die before they get to use the power

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I don't like how I used chaos twice. Meant to distinguish between the different types of chaos

Hi kiko, I just want to clarify to everyone to please use the word "item" in referring to the special items (or rather item vote). To answer your question, I really cannot disclose anything right now because each item has its own quirks. The recipient will clearly be given instructions when and how to use it.

 

[BetsySundrop]

Catching up! There's a lot...lol.

betsy and tessa, how would you feel about having the power?

I think it'll put a target on someone, and I'd rather that not be me. Also, I don't see how the power could be useful if the person croaks, but not knowing the powers, I'll just trust the process.

But we don't know what the power up is so how can you claim that you could use it best?

Good question.

For me, I tend to find the waiting to vote action having a mafia lean, just because: for a townie, we've got no info, so if we wait on day 1, we're literally just waiting to make sure the votes favour our abstract susses.

When you quoted me on this, I was waiting on the "power vote". I left questions about the power vote, so that I'd (hopefully) come back to more information. I think it's more town leaning to wait for more information before deciding who gets the power. Why do you find it maf lean?

Here's my thing, and also why, if you (general "you" not you in specific, betsy) put a gun to my head rn and asked me who the maf were, I'd say Dan and Betsy.

I can guarantee it's not a Dan/Betsy team, because I'm definitely town. Is dan trying to pocket me? Perhaps. Do I trust dan? I trust no one!

From what I've read, your reasons to sus me are: my waiting to power vote/ waiting to vote (sorry, but I'd rather wait until my questions are answered), and Dan townreading me?

Ok yeah, Tessa has the strongest town lean for me so far.

Her voting for Frosty to get the power follows my whole: "mafia have more reason than townies to wait to vote" thing, and tessa also did the power vote first, waiting just a bit more on her eliminate vote which is in line with her previous inclination to maybe not wanting to vote someone out night 1 just yet.

Maybe you can explain, because I don't understand this reasoning at all. How is waiting to vote on the power a maf lean?
And I really don't understand the reasoning about tessa. Placing the power vote before the elim vote is why you're townreading tessa?

It seems to me that it's way better for town to have as much info as possible, and more likely to be maf pushing everyone to rush the power vote...?

3 maf leans - betsy frosty dan

I don't see the frosty angle at all. Could you maybe explain why you think it's maf!frosty? I might be wrong (I often am), but frosty is one of my stronger tr.

 

[Damniel]

He just said that he didn’t take it as being serious, and then that Betsy not receiving a role pm is likely towny. Which, I don’t necessarily disbelieve but I think he’s the most sus still

i feel like your read on me is still strongly based on this bc it’s the one thing you mention a lot. besides you feeling that i lack progression and probable meta bias, still don’t understand your sus on me