Mafia Death by Design: An Animal Crossing Mafia [day2]

[moonford]

Nothing like a half-assed reads list to protect your scum buddy/buddies!

I'm sorry what have you done this game besides scream at someone for joining the game to reach the player max? Hm?

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Meaningful I mean.

 

[sej]

Nothing like a half-assed reads list to protect your scum buddy/buddies!

that's jumping to conclusions a bit don't you think?

 

[radical6]

Nothing like a half-assed reads list to protect your scum buddy/buddies!

is this referring to zendel

 

[amazonevan19]

sej is here and she seems new and confused, so she'll be off my lynch list for now. Obligatory every game reminder of Bianca 2.0 though

So I'm ok with a chick vote. Mainly because it's not me and because I think she's the sketchiest. Paranoid that maf is blending in here though.

Chick, any thoughts on who you think's scum and an actually good defense would be appreciated.

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Apple, why such hostility towards zendel's list? I thought his reads were decent except for his unfinished ones but hey life gets busy sometimes.

 

[toadsworthy]

well Evan's case is a good crackpot theory, but literally has no credibility and hinges on me and ness both being scum. However, he presents no evidence for us actually being scum. So its like he is throwing out random things at random people just to divert attention. My case on him and Chick being on a team together has more credibility because Evan targeted his scum partner Aya first in Franchise Wars. Your argument about me "bullying" newer people doesn't make sense too because if so, I would've just went along with the hate train on Chick.

He continues to say I'm condescending, picking fights, calling him stupid, and don't know what I'm doing. When he is just making accusations and not really giving thorough evidence for any of them. So I find it really funny and ironic that you say I have no credibility for my case on you. Just because you take my argument and say "well I knew you'd call me out on it, but I don't care" doesn't actually do anything.

I think he wanted to sus me back after I rode him so hard and you even said that to me, saying my reaction testing of you was "odd", and then dragged ness into it (someone actually town reading him) so that it wasn't as obvious OMGUS. He continues to be so confident about his reads, but the way I am reading it feels like a cover-up. So I feel fine voting you, Chick would be a good lynch too although I feel less confident about it.

I await you meme/gif, emotional explosion in response, or continuation of just refuting anything I say

 

[radical6]

The thing that bothers me with evan's case on chick is that he has always just assumed the worst off of two separate posts (all chick had really posted at that time), it felt like he really jumped to conclusions without considering others. And I already pointed out the discrepancy. He also had said "I don't want to lynch chick yet" but then the above post was enough to sway him to vote.

So, the same thing as Chick but reversed?

To add onto this, I do believe Chick is acting scummy. Amazonevan has bussed his partners super early in previous games, so I wouldn't rule out that the two can't both be scummy together. The only thing keeping me from that is if those two were together (which it is still very early to say something like that) then the last person would have to be a more experienced player. There would also have to be 3 scum then too, which I guess 3 - 10 would be an ok set up.

Good to know about bussing. Will keep in mind.

Thanks! For all we know Trundle could be busy but he had used the excuse of being busy once on Day 1 (SU Mafia 2 iirc) and flipped scum, so I'm keeping it in mind. I actually was just hoping to get something out of him by saying he's scummy lul.

In his defense, since the game started he didn't post in the discord knowing about it until Daniel @d everyone reminding the game started (fyi for anyone not in there; we didnt discuss the game afterwards)

Nor have I seen him viewing the thread

But that doesn't mean this clears him, I'll actually get into this later.

Kallie- strongest town lean rn based on post contents and tone. Her earliest posts gave me town vibes when she mentioned about her wifi condition. I read it as genuine town trying to be as helpful as possible despite her inconvenient situation. And her latest reads just further strengthened my read on her.

Does this mean you townread Toads too?

Regarding Kallie's case on Chick-
You said Chick was more confident when she made a case on you but is a bit wishy-washy with Tom. Was it also during early game? From the way I see it, she was just discussing the probably of Tom being scum and provided her reasons no matter how flimsy it was. Also it's okay to suspect someone but also being unsure about wanting them lynched. Especially during Day 1 with so little info.

She was confident later on, but she also didn't say a single thing until day 2 where she made some case on me but used like the last 2 pages to make the case and basically didn't read that game in depth. And probably only sussed me because I was on her case for being inactive again.

I mean, if you bring up someone to lynch when theres no one else talking 24 hours later, I'm going to take that as we should lynch someone because otherwise we won't have anyone to lynch. It was halfway over for day 1.

Toads- null, slight townlean. He was the first to address Chick but wasn't exactly sussing her. Basically just going off gut feelings for now. I wasn't really paying much attention to his back and forth with Evan but I will go back to that later.

So is your reason for townreading me also mean you would feel the same about toads reasons for inactivity as well? He also stated early in the game he would be busy.

Chick- right now I feel like Chick is a mafia's target for lynch today. I could be wrong but the way so many people jumped on her for that one post feels a bit fishy. I don't find her posts particularly scummy but she's not exuding town vibes either. Null.

I still have my reasons suspecting her but im also uneasy on how easy a lynch would be on her tbqh

I'm on my way to work rn but I'm glad the thread is moving again!!! I've never played with chick befire so I'm kinda feeling that they're just scummy town but we're they this aggressive last game? Just seems unusual to be so aggressive towards tom as a new player that I'm assuming hasn't even played with him b4. Sorry for not posting more ill be home at midnight gmt which i think is around 3 hours before end of day so I'll post my thoughts on everyone then : )

Waiting to hear that, its about almost 3 hours until end of day.

This is a classic scum tactic, however it's also a classic newbie tactic as I realized last game after I was wrong about Farobi. But essentially, bringing up a player that may seem suspicious to town, saying they may be suspicious, but leveraging both sides equally. So in this example chick is saying "well Tom sure is suspicious, except he kinda isn't, let's ignore it for now", which makes the post look like there is actually content but there really isn't. Shortly after, chick suggests a no-lynch.

Ironically, I can also see both sides of chick. I have utmost confidence that Fleshy is town from the way they are posting, and Fleshy thinks chick is just a newbie. I know I'm town but I think chick has a good chance of being mafia, even though my pattern recognizing goes off at this. How many times have we lynched someone who suggested no-lynch only for them to end up being noob town?

Usually we want to say that their other mafia buddies would scold them for suggesting such a stupid idea..Unless..I'll address this at the end.

Her posts don't feel exactly the same as they did in Zendel's Pokemon mafia, I have to go back and actually read them properly but I'm still not positive she's town.

I'm curious what the difference is then.

I feel like scum would prob know by now not to push for a no lynch tho tbh, any game nl has been brought up its gone down v badly lol

Will mention later.

I've put Chick as scum lean, although when I think about it I'm doubting myself here, reading over what she's said and the things people are scum reading her for honestly just seem like newbie moves, I look at how I played as town when I was new and I made a lot of the same mistakes (such as pushing for a NL), I'm sure if she really was maf and had experienced players on her scum team they would have explained to her not to say that? Experienced scum know not to push for a NL, then again she isn't experienced, so I don't know. The aggressiveness, attempting to strike people's emotions, "threats", they all make me have that doubt - that doubt that she could be scum after all. I'm just not sure, people jumped on her so early, of course she's going to get defensive?

I don't think her response of emotion means shes scum but its annoying. Reminds me of Bianca's last ditch effort to appeal to emotion instead of using logic and getting lynched.

mog is town lean for me too, she's been contributing and adding her points, everything seems on point but nothing too clear so I don't want to be quick to fully town read her. I agree with a lot of the points she has made so far.

I haven't seen much from her so I would like to see why you townread her.

But wait, Evan! Isn't this OMGUS?

Secondly, I'm FOS'ing both Toad and Ness. Ness has been one of the thread's only "defenders" of me, and most people rn are (justifiably) scumreading me. If this was just a pure OMGUS without substance, why would I want to sus my biggest proponent, at risk of people saying "Ness/Evan is a team"?

Okay, but what the hell does OMGUS mean?

So what does this mean for chick?
If my theory is correct, chick is innocent and toads/ness are taking the opportunity to beat up on newbie mistakes. I also jumped on those mistakes too, and so why not try and take me town while they're at it? If chick flips town then I could easily be made a scapegoat by toad/ness. The fact the thread seems widely ok with killing her means maf may be ok with it too. Hence my waffling on chick, despite her scumminess.

Okay point.

I mean for day one it'd be hard to get an opinion out me anyways to begin with. Everyone makes a big deal about how crucial D1 is, but I really don't feel the same way. At most it influences a little how scum directs their kills based off who's sussed who because everyone feels like we need a bunch of lists that all read the same. Day one sucks and I long for the day where we just start at night, even if that means someone dies before getting to interact with the rest of us.

I said that because it would be a wasted lynch.

13 Players - 1 Survivor means 2/3 Mafia with 10/9 Town. Everyone but Chick seems keen on lynching somebody today, so on the chance you mislynch that's less town in your favor. I don't count for town, but like I said, I always try my hardest for town as a survivor. But if in the end you and everyone else decides to lynch, I won't oppose it. Town's gotta do what town's gotta do.

Why do I always feel like you claim third party?





Anyway, now here's what I thought about while walking around.

Let's say Chick flips scum. Now, why would Chick ever suggest such a dumbass idea of NL? Surely her mafia buddies would warn her and say that's a stupid idea.

Surely her other scum buddy is experienced right? Unless they were gone for a day and couldn't advise her what to do, so she had to post soon or else people would start suspecting her for inactivity

Not a strong theory of course, but I'm sure you all get what I'm hinting about for Trundle. Just a small note to make if Chick flips red.

I don't have strong feelings about Evan either way. Also have no idea about zendel or his game history.

Ness I only have faint memory of from very old games when he was scum besides Alola, but he didn't...really do much since he got blackmailed.

I would like to compare posts between his town play but idk which game he was town in recently because he was jester in MM so i dont wanna use that. someone answer plz ty

 

[EpicGamer12]

I'm kinda leaning more towards Evan now than chick, but I don't think my vote is gonna sway either direction. I'm voting evan.

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kallie I really don't have enough patience to read that whole thing but no I don't get what you're hinting at. Are you saying I'm scum?

 

[radical6]

I'm kinda leaning more towards Evan now than chick, but I don't think my vote is gonna sway either direction. I'm voting evan.

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kallie I really don't have enough patience to read that whole thing but no I don't get what you're hinting at. Are you saying I'm scum?

im saying i would start suspecting you if chick flips red, not that strong of a reading and im more curious in ness rn

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anyway im watching an overwatch league game for an hour so ill be back whenever it ends

 

[amazonevan19]

well Evan's case is a good crackpot theory, but literally has no credibility and hinges on me and ness both being scum. However, he presents no evidence for us actually being scum. So its like he is throwing out random things at random people just to divert attention. My case on him and Chick being on a team together has more credibility because Evan targeted his scum partner Aya first in Franchise Wars. Your argument about me "bullying" newer people doesn't make sense too because if so, I would've just went along with the hate train on Chick.

He continues to say I'm condescending, picking fights, calling him stupid, and don't know what I'm doing. When he is just making accusations and not really giving thorough evidence for any of them. So I find it really funny and ironic that you say I have no credibility for my case on you. Just because you take my argument and say "well I knew you'd call me out on it, but I don't care" doesn't actually do anything.

I think he wanted to sus me back after I rode him so hard and you even said that to me, saying my reaction testing of you was "odd", and then dragged ness into it (someone actually town reading him) so that it wasn't as obvious OMGUS. He continues to be so confident about his reads, but the way I am reading it feels like a cover-up. So I feel fine voting you, Chick would be a good lynch too although I feel less confident about it.

I await you meme/gif, emotional explosion in response, or continuation of just refuting anything I say

My theory, as I've stated a lot, is a crackpot theory with little proof. But it's there to try and explain how you are both acting, and if one or both of you are scum then LULUL

But it's also there to make us think about chick before voting for her. I am going to maintain my chick vote and if y'all vote for me, then that's fine because tbh it's justified based on my behavior in thread.

Lemme say though, I will claim if the votes start turning towards me. I have been withholding for this whole time due to me hoping town would see the light, but I guess you may start massing me at any moment. I'd prefer not to claim, and I really don't want a mass claim fest, but if things go down the ****ter then I'll be fine with claiming.

What I'm really concerned about is how mafia is blending in pretty well - they've made the only top suspects chick and I, and no one else. If chick is scum then that's chill, but I'm not and so at least 50% of us are not.

Also, don't think I didn't see that last line, toady my boy

 

[Fleshy]

I haven't seen much from her so I would like to see why you townread her.

Even though a very small game, she also was very inactive in Dan's scummy game and was tow, she was acting very similar. She's also not completely quiet, she has been here and posting, though sparingly. It's mainly meta, and also the fact the few posts she has made are contributing something. I know it's not a very strong reason though, which is why I don't have her listed as a strong town read.

Also, you suspect Trundle as maf if Chick flips scum because clearly her mafbuddies weren't around to tell her not to mention a NL, and since Trundle wasn't around, he's likely to be that scumbud? (I'm unsure if this is what you meant by that, so asking for clarification here)
If so, I really don't think that makes sense. Likelihood is (if Chick is maf), she mentioned NL before she was told not to, and what about the other maf (most people guessed it's 10:3)? I just really don't see the link here and think it's very weak..

 

[toadsworthy]

Ness piqued my interest early too because he was so quiet and passive. But his more recent posts seem more what I would expect.
Yeah its been a while since he was a townie, the first one I could find was Overwatch mafia. I have him null for right now though because Chick/Evan have had my attention thus far.

 

[Fleshy]

My theory, as I've stated a lot, is a crackpot theory with little proof. But it's there to try and explain how you are both acting, and if one or both of you are scum then LULUL

But it's also there to make us think about chick before voting for her. I am going to maintain my chick vote and if y'all vote for me, then that's fine because tbh it's justified based on my behavior in thread.

Lemme say though, I will claim if the votes start turning towards me. I have been withholding for this whole time due to me hoping town would see the light, but I guess you may start massing me at any moment. I'd prefer not to claim, and I really don't want a mass claim fest, but if things go down the ****ter then I'll be fine with claiming.

What I'm really concerned about is how mafia is blending in pretty well - they've made the only top suspects chick and I, and no one else. If chick is scum then that's chill, but I'm not and so at least 50% of us are not.

Also, don't think I didn't see that last line, toady my boy

Mafia has made you and Chick the top suspects, is that hinted to Toads/Ness, or like... everyone else? Clearly not everyone voting you / Chick is mafia, that literally would make no sense. Also, on the subject of making Chick a top subject, you were a big part in that, are you maf? And to me, you made yourself a top suspect because of the way you've been acting, not because of anyone else or their posts.

Again, more flip-flopping. If mafia made you two top suspects, then Chick isn't maf, so why is your vote still on her if that's how you think...?

You also say "think about Chick" before voting for her? You put your vote in for her very quickly, for weak reasoning (imo), surely not much thought went into that?

I'm just confused, you're flip-flopping so much in what you say. I think I made the right choice in where I placed my vote

 

[N e s s]

Okay, I'm not going to be around for EoD but I'm going to vote for Chick. I don't have any time right now to be able to make any kind of significant reads post, so I will probably make a much more in depth reads list tomorrow morning. Admittedly, I'm feeling a bit less certain about Evan than before, but I still don't think he's the best lynch candidate.

 

[moonford]

Yeah, Evan is just pushing himself further into the ground right now.

Voting him now.

 

[amazonevan19]

Mafia has made you and Chick the top suspects, is that hinted to Toads/Ness, or like... everyone else? Clearly not everyone voting you / Chick is mafia, that literally would make no sense. Also, on the subject of making Chick a top subject, you were a big part in that, are you maf? And to me, you made yourself a top suspect because of the way you've been acting, not because of anyone else or their posts.

Again, more flip-flopping. If mafia made you two top suspects, then Chick isn't maf, so why is your vote still on her if that's how you think...?

You also say "think about Chick" before voting for her? You put your vote in for her very quickly, for weak reasoning (imo), surely not much thought went into that?

I'm just confused, you're flip-flopping so much in what you say. I think I made the right choice in where I placed my vote

Mafia is clearly fine with this vote going the way it is. The unanimity of the sussing on both me and chick is rather disconcerting. I'm pretty sure that one of toad/ness is pushing me hard for reasons that are below the surface to us right now. (ie I'm sure at least one of them is maf)

Not all people pushing me are maf lol. But what I was saying is that I am sure there are mafs in the ranks of those who want me dead. I'm a super easy target/scapegoat for them.

I said my theory was about how we should vote for chick, and you previously agreed with that analysis (or at least acknowledged you knew how I arrived at that conclusion). So idk how you think I'm flip flopping on that now. Assuming chick is innocent, then maf is making the easy lynch candidates their top targets. If chick is maf, they're bussing to get in town's good graces.

 

[radical6]

My theory, as I've stated a lot, is a crackpot theory with little proof. But it's there to try and explain how you are both acting, and if one or both of you are scum then LULUL

But it's also there to make us think about chick before voting for her. I am going to maintain my chick vote and if y'all vote for me, then that's fine because tbh it's justified based on my behavior in thread.

Lemme say though, I will claim if the votes start turning towards me. I have been withholding for this whole time due to me hoping town would see the light, but I guess you may start massing me at any moment. I'd prefer not to claim, and I really don't want a mass claim fest, but if things go down the ****ter then I'll be fine with claiming.

What I'm really concerned about is how mafia is blending in pretty well - they've made the only top suspects chick and I, and no one else. If chick is scum then that's chill, but I'm not and so at least 50% of us are not.

Also, don't think I didn't see that last line, toady my boy

i dont understand this post tbh do you always talk like this.

i do agree that its a bit worrying we p much have only been discussing you two

Even though a very small game, she also was very inactive in Dan's scummy game and was tow, she was acting very similar. She's also not completely quiet, she has been here and posting, though sparingly. It's mainly meta, and also the fact the few posts she has made are contributing something. I know it's not a very strong reason though, which is why I don't have her listed as a strong town read.

Also, you suspect Trundle as maf if Chick flips scum because clearly her mafbuddies weren't around to tell her not to mention a NL, and since Trundle wasn't around, he's likely to be that scumbud? (I'm unsure if this is what you meant by that, so asking for clarification here)
If so, I really don't think that makes sense. Likelihood is (if Chick is maf), she mentioned NL before she was told not to, and what about the other maf (most people guessed it's 10:3)? I just really don't see the link here and think it's very weak..

i already said it was weak, i was just throwing an idea out there. i still do think scum team has 1 veteran player that means tom/trundle/i/mog.

im going off the thinking of balance, since i feel like kirby would balance it in terms of experience. tom isnt really scummy to me (yet), im leaving him be. mog i dont know either and she could maybe be scum as well. i know im town duh so that leaves trundle and mog. maybe seroja.

idk enough about serojas history tho tbh, im going off of ppl considered veterans.

Ness piqued my interest early too because he was so quiet and passive. But his more recent posts seem more what I would expect.
Yeah its been a while since he was a townie, the first one I could find was Overwatch mafia. I have him null for right now though because Chick/Evan have had my attention thus far.

overwatch mafia hm... ill try to read that in time but im not sure if i have enough time before day ends.

Mafia is clearly fine with this vote going the way it is. The unanimity of the sussing on both me and chick is rather disconcerting. I'm pretty sure that one of toad/ness is pushing me hard for reasons that are below the surface to us right now. (ie I'm sure at least one of them is maf)

i suppose.

i am uncomfortable with an evan lynch tbh, i dont know how he plays enough as scum but i dont see why put himself in the limelight

we have some theories i guess

he saw an easy lynch on chick, but it backfired for him coz...he used the same reasoning as toad or something? i mean everyone in this game has used similar phrases one way or the other.

now we see his exchange with people has made people suspect him bc hes being more aggressive.


anyway im still waiting for mog

 

[moonford]

@ Kallie

How long has it been since you've played a game?

 

[Fleshy]

Mafia is clearly fine with this vote going the way it is. The unanimity of the sussing on both me and chick is rather disconcerting. I'm pretty sure that one of toad/ness is pushing me hard for reasons that are below the surface to us right now. (ie I'm sure at least one of them is maf)

Not all people pushing me are maf lol. But what I was saying is that I am sure there are mafs in the ranks of those who want me dead. I'm a super easy target/scapegoat for them.

I said my theory was about how we should vote for chick, and you previously agreed with that analysis (or at least acknowledged you knew how I arrived at that conclusion). So idk how you think I'm flip flopping on that now. Assuming chick is innocent, then maf is making the easy lynch candidates their top targets. If chick is maf, they're bussing to get in town's good graces.

Pretty much everyone (including you) is "fine with this vote going as it is" meaning voting either you or Chick, that's redundant imo. I would see this "pushing" two people concerning too, if it was coming from only a few people, not almost ALL the outspoken players..? That clearly means we all see something as scummy about you two, nobody is pushing for anything. I see scummy behaviors from you, I also seen scummy behaviors from Chick, but more so you, that's why I voted. Of course it's likely scum will be hiding in those votes.. maf still have to vote too, but that whole thought process is really redundant in my opinion.

I get what you're saying about mafia being somewhere there, but you speak about what "mafia" are doing with such conviction? It's day one. The last sentence again sounds like a hit at Ness/Toads again, you're pretty much saying whether she flips town or scum, they're scum, either hitting an easy target or busing a weak mafbud?So, in your eyes, someone who thinks Chick is scum, if she flips scum, is also scum, that leaves, YOU, kallie, sej, and ness, I haven't noticed you saying anything against any of them except ness.

I'm going to leave it after this, I don't want to drag something pointless into the ground, my points still stand.

 

[radical6]

@ Kallie

How long has it been since you've played a game?

besides ur game probably a year or two

 

[amazonevan19]

Ok, to prevent my death by mass vote (I think chick is still leading but idk, it is too close for my comfort), I think I'm forced to claim and explain myself.

I'm Copper the cop. I get an investigate each night. After my fight with toad, I took the opportunity to build a scummy profile for myself so the mafs wouldn't kill me, but keep me around as an easy scapegoat for future lynches. So that's why I made my crackpot theory and have been posting bad arguments. It's all been a plot to bait into keeping me alive. Hence my confidence in the lynch vote going the right way - I always knew I could claim and get people to stop voting for me.

That being said, my plan worked too well and I'm heading for potential lynch over Chick. My recommendation is to lynch chick (who is promising to clarify things in her vote against me LUL), and let me do my thing.

If maf counterclaims then I guess we have to lynch between me and them. Or you could just kill me now because I readily admit this looks reallllllly bad for me. But it'd be a wrong choice after my wrong choice, and two wrongs don't make a right